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The Lost Primarch Quest

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  • Spirit of Fire

    Votes: 21 47.7%

  • Vigilance

    Votes: 23 52.3%
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In terms of compliance rates, I will say that the average is 100, but that is dragged up by Horus and Dorn. Most of the Primarchs average around 80-100. So Kesar is on the lower end, but still doing so at a respectable rate. Lorgar's was 20 before the Orks because he was effectively taking all the options to slow things down.
 
Daemon Hunter said:
In terms of compliance rates, I will say that the average is 100, but that is dragged up by Horus and Dorn. Most of the Primarchs average around 80-100. So Kesar is on the lower end, but still doing so at a respectable rate. Lorgar's was 20 before the Orks because he was effectively taking all the options to slow things down.
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WOW. 20. That's not being just a runt. That's being a damn cripple.
 
Daemon Hunter said:
In terms of compliance rates, I will say that the average is 100, but that is dragged up by Horus and Dorn. Most of the Primarchs average around 80-100. So Kesar is on the lower end, but still doing so at a respectable rate. Lorgar's was 20 before the Orks because he was effectively taking all the options to slow things down.
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20? Wow. Is it weird that I kinda feel bad for him now? Maybe we can ask Jaghatai or Perturabo to take him under their wings and get him to realize that every world yet unconquered is a world that could be *gasp* worshipping someone else!
 
Yeah... seeing a good possibility of the Emperor getting pissed at Lorgar early here. Lorgar dropped what he was doing and ended up costing the Dark Angels a lot of dudes, and he did so over Kesar's people not worshiping the Emperor as a god which is exactly what the Emperor wants. And his compliance rate is terrible to boot.

Honestly I have to wonder if another of the Primarchs will be killed off pre-Heresy, like it's implied the Primarch of the II has been already. Lorgar might be putting himself on that route if the Emperor rejects his worship sooner than he previously would have and he goes Chaos early.
 
Nicholas Brooks said:
20? Wow. Is it weird that I kinda feel bad for him now? Maybe we can ask Jaghatai or Perturabo to take him under their wings and get him to realize that every world yet unconquered is a world that could be *gasp* worshipping someone else!
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Well, massed reiligious conversion is not a quick task at all.

Honestly, Emps did actually get a roll to see if he stepped in with what Lorgar did. He failed, but this was the first time he did so and future issues will result in higher DCs for Emps to not care.

Also, I just wanted to confirm that Lion is around to top quarter of Primarchs when it comes to personal combat correct?
 
Daemon Hunter said:
Well, massed reiligious conversion is not a quick task at all.

Honestly, Emps did actually get a roll to see if he stepped in with what Lorgar did. He failed, but this was the first time he did so and future issues will result in higher DCs for Emps to not care.

Also, I just wanted to confirm that Lion is around to top quarter of Primarchs when it comes to personal combat correct?
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Yeah, consensus is he's near the top.

How does the "Infrastructure floor for planets is Tier 4" of the Basic Uplift mechanic work with the 14 Tier 3 worlds? I assume they're from the most recent compliance turn, do they get uplifted to Tier 4 for free outside of the Mechanicus' work?
 
Kirbstomp said:
Yeah, consensus is he's near the top.

How does the "Infrastructure floor for planets is Tier 4" of the Basic Uplift mechanic work with the 14 Tier 3 worlds? I assume they're from the most recent compliance turn, do they get uplifted to Tier 4 for free outside of the Mechanicus' work?
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Basically, every world that I generate is increased to Tier 4 if it is below that. The reason why you have Tier 3 worlds was because you started off with 400 worlds that the Legion got for you. They didn't have the same uplift procedure which led to you having Tier 1, 2, and 3 worlds along with some planets having low tech levels.
 
Daemon Hunter said:
Also, I just wanted to confirm that Lion is around to top quarter of Primarchs when it comes to personal combat correct?
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Yes, he's one of the top melee primarchs. He defeated Curze in single combat and beat Leman Russ in a brawl. May not be the best since all Primarchs have their good days and bad days, but he's up there.
 
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Daemon Hunter said:
Also, I just wanted to confirm that Lion is around to top quarter of Primarchs when it comes to personal combat correct?
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The Lion is certainly very high up.

A quote i found suggests that the Lion is very much capable of utterly owning another Primarch.

"Throat in one hand, a leg in the other, the Lion hoisted Curze above his head. The knight of Caliban dropped to one knee, bringing his foe down across his shoulders. Armour split like bamboo and bones cracked, eliciting a shriek from the Night Haunter.

With a contemptuous glare, the Lion tossed Curze to the ground. He flopped to his broken back.

'Why?' groaned Curze.

'I am no murderer,' the Lion replied. 'You will be executed, but not for my vengeance. For justice. I will not make you a martyr, nor vindicate your twisted ideals.'

Curze's clawed fingers scrabbled at the stone for a few seconds, but there was no movement below his waist. The Lion stamped on a hand, buckling the gauntlet, shattering the blades. He did the same to the other, leaving the Night Haunter a paralysed, clawless heap."
 
Also... Lorgar is probably the weakest of the Primarchs in terms of personal combat ability. Most discussion I can find on that agree.
 
SouvikKundu said:
I thought fulgrim and angel are better swordsmen?
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The problem with trying to rank Primarchs in combat skills. The ones who were renowned for skill in combat were really good. Trying to create any hierarchy for them is a difficult task to say the least. Except for Sanguinius, he always belongs at the top of any skill list.

Boons of being supremely skillful and precognitive.
 
jjffjhjf said:
Well, if I understand correctly, Valhalla is currently at like... tier 4. Going from tier 4 to 5 is 10 points I believe, 5 to 8 is 20, 8 to 10 is 100. So to take Valhalla from where its at to Tier 16 would take 1280 points. That would leave us enough to upgrade tech to at least mid imperial. Assuming we are at industrial currently. While still having enough left over to get a weapons depot, improved housing, a nursing complex, and a hospital complex, turning Valhalla into one of the best worlds in our entire domain.
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Sounds like a plan.
 
Enjou said:
Yes, he's one of the top melee primarchs. He defeated Curze in single combat and beat Leman Russ in a brawl. May not be the best since all Primarchs have their good days and bad days, but he's up there.
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Enjou said:
Also... Lorgar is probably the weakest of the Primarchs in terms of personal combat ability. Most discussion I can find on that agree.
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I wonder what would happen if they fought to the death had a polite duel after a disagreement. Dice, for once roll low. I want to see this. Not going to roll though till I finish my homework sadly.
 
jjffjhjf said:
@Daemon Hunter would improving the quality of the worlds we recruit from increase the number of recruits we get?
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Altered said:
Update is tomorrow after classes for you right?
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Not really, the main issues with recruiting is the hyper selective process, the long training time, and the fact that Kesar's gene-seed is picky. Actually, now that I think about it, it would make sense for genetic screening to increase the recruitment rate. Also, I'm thinking of adding an extra "write-in" category where you just pick any action you want to do and do it. Fits for stuff that I don't have on the list of actions.

I actually don't have classes tomorrow, so I'll update when I wake up.
 
So, why do we not pull a reasonable marines and do a genetic screening and training as part of public edu for all of the worlds in our domaine. We get more recruits , and the worlds get a good mutation, chaos, Xenos, and hostile policies defense.
 
Speed53066 said:
So, why do we not pull a reasonable marines and do a genetic screening and training as part of public edu for all of the worlds in our domaine. We get more recruits , and the worlds get a good mutation, chaos, Xenos, and hostile policies defense.
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After thinking about it, I'll have genetic screening add 10 recruits a year for every world it's on.

Edit: This number is subject to change.
 
Speed53066 said:
So, why do we not pull a reasonable marines and do a genetic screening and training as part of public edu for all of the worlds in our domaine. We get more recruits , and the worlds get a good mutation, chaos, Xenos, and hostile policies defense.
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Well, probably because that'd be expensive to put into place. Gene monitoring requires 20 pp per world. Chances are genetic screening requires additional PP beyond that. Definitely worthwhile. Just, too expensive for the benefit until we get our domain's infrastructure/tech levels up a bit. I'd like to take the next decade or so to get as many Tier 16 worlds as possible (at least until something better than tier 16 comes along).
 
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