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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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Pretty sure that should be 'of Eternity'; text is from the black one, not the green one.
Doomed Wombat
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There's at least 1 more update first
So am I the only one who isn't sure how things actually ended, with regards to the ritual?
Looks like everyone's got weakened, but they got something, along with the general point of the ritual to weaken the veil, which as far as I can tell was accomplished without major disruption.
My question is then, what are these individual powerups for the chaos gods, and how much were they reduced? Has tzeentch been born? Khorne his avatar? Does slaanesh have a claim on eldar souls? Did Nurgle get much? And with how his ritual went, tjapa probably just summoned an extra shiny aquilla.
And what did Malal do? He got his sacred number, which is as good or better than a nat 100.
Overall I just want to know how this galaxy changing event actually, you know, changed the galaxy. And either now, or in the beginning of sparks, I want to know how this will directly change things for the Trust and Avernus.
Basically, I hope the last update has a good conclusion for all this, and isn't just Ridcully getting his rolls(as important as that is).
Looks like everyone's got weakened, but they got something, along with the general point of the ritual to weaken the veil, which as far as I can tell was accomplished without major disruption.
My question is then, what are these individual powerups for the chaos gods, and how much were they reduced? Has tzeentch been born? Khorne his avatar? Does slaanesh have a claim on eldar souls? Did Nurgle get much? And with how his ritual went, tjapa probably just summoned an extra shiny aquilla.
And what did Malal do? He got his sacred number, which is as good or better than a nat 100.
Overall I just want to know how this galaxy changing event actually, you know, changed the galaxy. And either now, or in the beginning of sparks, I want to know how this will directly change things for the Trust and Avernus.
Basically, I hope the last update has a good conclusion for all this, and isn't just Ridcully getting his rolls(as important as that is).
Chaos as a whole still won, the veil is weaker, more psykers and easier summoning for everyone (something that mostly favors chaos but also other powers with a reliance on the Warp like the Eldar and even the trio who are the last of the Concordant). With regards to their own personal power-ups Tzeench and Slaanesh got the most (though not as much as they could have hoped), Nurgle got a middling amount of power, but lost Isha and Tjapa lost most of his power-up to a trio of petty gods, who are not so petty anymore.
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Doomed Wombat
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To expand
Khorne has basically made peace harder to obtain, for example the DC for the lizardmen peace is now 10% higher if it were done now.
Tzeench has made it so fate easier for him to shape, he's the undoubted winner.
Slaanesh I believe lost the Aeldari he was going to sacrifice so he gets nothing special if it did get it then its made it a bit easier for it to influence the eldar.
Nurgle lost Illfelari so gets nothing special and lost Isha. In general not great for it.
Tjapa's actually received a debuff due to the coalition inscribing their defiance on the warp.
Malal screwed over everyone.
Over all Tzeench is probably set to emerge in preeminence when he's born given How freaking well it came out of this.
Over all though the ritual only had 50% of the effect it was expected to have for chaos, and they took significant damage.
+ they've all seemingly permanently lost 1 exalted.
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Well, there's a chance they might decide that we're obviously too tough to handle, or that Avernus is at least. I mean, assuming they consider the rescue party to be genuinely Trust aligned, rather than Avernite-only, they'll hear about how we have guys on our side who can beat up Exalted Daemons, and how we managed to casually blow Cadia apart. That's gotta be pretty intimidating, so they might well decide to just leave us alone and hope we ignore them in return.
Now, Abaddon on the other hand... well, that will depend on whether he takes the view that Avernite denizens + the head of the Trust's Telepathica = this was the work of not just Avernus as a singular entity, but also the humans of Avernus, and the Imperial Trust by extension.
The best case scenario is that he doesn't think the Trust is worth bothering with, and knows that attempting to conquer or destroy Avernus would be essentially impossible, and considers this to just be the work of the Eldar using a convenient pawn, so he just decides to send assassins after Ridcully.
The bad scenario is that he decides that even if the Trust as a whole still seems irrelevant, it needs to be wiped out simply for the crime of having been associated with Ridcully and co., just to send a message. However, he wouldn't be aware of our tech and capabilities, and so would probably underestimate the force needed to conquer us.
The absolute worst-case scenario is that he not only decides the Imperial Trust has to go, but also puts 2+2 together for lots of other things that have gone on, like the Eldar intervention to help us, and the fact that we wiped out a Hive fleet, and deduces from those pieces of information that we are much more powerful and important than previously imagined. He then sends spies, and discovers that we have really advanced technology, which could give him a massive powerup. This then leads him to want to destroy the Trust as a priority, and to also devote more resources towards doing so. (Edit: And he also puts the pieces together and realises we're to blame for his missing Black Fleet)
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I would argue that Nurgle lost far more than that taking all the events of the day into consideration, more perhaps than even Tjapa. Instead of a single moment of defiance seared into the fabric of the Warp the Plague Father now has Isha to contend with permanently, the closest thing to a hard counter to any single Chaos God in existence empowering the greatest of the sane galactic powers.
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Doomed Wombat
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+ Anger from the entire Hetrchonir incident meaning he had to deal with yet another T4 waaargh.
I didn't realise Isha and the necrons were on speaking terms
But, with that thing alone Chaos took a huge hit. Looking specifically at the ritual however, Tajapa gained practically nothing from it and expended huge amounts of resources doing it.
Its got a power up in the wings through no longer having to tie down the dragon, but even still...
That went about as well as could really be hoped. Yay.
The ritual nerfed by 50% overall, Isha rescued without losses of our heroes (with an extra anti-Nurgle goddess as a bonus), and we performed Exterminatus on Cadia as an unexpected bonus.
Nurgle and Tjapa are the big losers, which is nice. Nurgle lost his waifu/plague-tester, and his ritual component got hit with a godly supernova. Tjapa's not only failed, but the defiance against him was inscribed into the veil.
Tzeentch, on the other hand, seems to have come out of this the best. Which sucks, but oh well. He still got less of a powerup than he was aiming for.
The new order of power is apparently Tzeench > Khorne > Slaanesh > Tjapa > Nurgle, though Nurgle will go up by one when the Eye of Terra goes away due to the Void Dragon getting out.
The ritual nerfed by 50% overall, Isha rescued without losses of our heroes (with an extra anti-Nurgle goddess as a bonus), and we performed Exterminatus on Cadia as an unexpected bonus.
Nurgle and Tjapa are the big losers, which is nice. Nurgle lost his waifu/plague-tester, and his ritual component got hit with a godly supernova. Tjapa's not only failed, but the defiance against him was inscribed into the veil.
Tzeentch, on the other hand, seems to have come out of this the best. Which sucks, but oh well. He still got less of a powerup than he was aiming for.
The new order of power is apparently Tzeench > Khorne > Slaanesh > Tjapa > Nurgle, though Nurgle will go up by one when the Eye of Terra goes away due to the Void Dragon getting out.
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I didn't realise Isha and the necrons were on speaking terms
I have my doubts about the sanity of the Necrons, and even so with warp powers becoming stronger and the Eldar's main weakness, their low population, about to be mitigated by their goddess of life I would not be so sure about the Necrons maintaining their ascendancy over their old foes.
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speaking of.. why is the void dragon so dangerous? And what exactly can that thing do?
Doomed Wombat
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True, but his power up is most insidious, well his and Khorne's.
Peace being harder will make getting the necrons onside a bitch, but Tzeench being better at crafting fate.
Me no likey.
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Its hard to say, but in terms of power the necrons are still pretty much completely dominant.
They've taken losses from the war in the void, but only about 30% which they're rapidly reconstituting other than that they're still at WIH levels and they're being led by the King supported by Orikan and Trayzn.
He's the most powerful C'tan, basically the god of the materium.
Its exact specification appears to be technology or maybe reality, its powerful enough that nobody has been able to shatter it, and Emps only managed to send it to sleep due to the Dragon being...well his father sort of.
To give an idea the Dragon has since emp's death been fighting anywhere from 25-75% of Tjapa's strength in the centre of the eye of terra, and winning.
When it gets out the Krork assessment (Krork from the WIH) gave about 3 centuries before its plan of build up then kill everything would be assured with out something like the avatar of Khorne being summoned to fight it.
The avatar is the only thing we know of that could fight the dragon on something resembling an equal footing.
The Void dragon is the greatest of an ancient race of beings called the C'tan. Devourers of both stars and souls, clad in living metal they are effectively gods of the Materium. You know how the Chaos gods need to weaken the veil to act, summoning, ritual and Psyker powers? The Void Dragon and its fellows do not need to do that, they are already all here. Now mind most of the C'tan have been broken into shards at the end of the War in Heaven, but even the Necron at their height could not break the Dragon, merely contain it. Soon it will be abroad and loose.
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Not even that, the Dragon has apparently taken the full force of all of the black stone fortresses, weapons made for killing C'tan and was forced away injured not dead.
Similarly, the Eldar have hunted it for millions of years in the form of the order of the dragon slayers, but even during this time where they were at their absolute height the dragon slayers only managed to injure and split singular shards from it, not kill it.
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to put it more simply the Void Dragon is probably the most powerful singular entity that the galaxy has ever seen
including the Great Gods of Chaos
while not at its best it is beating a Great God of Chaos in his home ground, despite the fact that Warp is the C'Tans weakness
this is something that if the galaxy was destroyed would have a good chance of walking out of the smoke dusting itself off
including the Great Gods of Chaos
while not at its best it is beating a Great God of Chaos in his home ground, despite the fact that Warp is the C'Tans weakness
this is something that if the galaxy was destroyed would have a good chance of walking out of the smoke dusting itself off
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that one wont happen as we are simply too small , he may be aware we are a threat , he may understand that we will only grow more dangerous with time but right now he has bigger problems to deal with (the dragon , the orks ,the primarches ,eldar and his own allies just for starters ) meaning that the forces necessary to deal with us once and for all are better spent else were also there are other minor or small scale powers just as dangerous as the trust or more so that are far closer to his borders like the Q'Orl - 1d4chan (who had a bigger empire that the tau in M41) ,the Rak'Gol (who have been plaguing the segmentem since forever) and of course the Slaugth - 1d4chan (who in the lore have a tech level comparable to the necrons , are connected to the Rangadan who were so dangerous that the Emporer had to open up the Labyrinth of Night and unleash the Void Dragon to insure there defeat Rangdan Xenocides - 1d4chan )
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I agree that we're small fry compared to other threats, but he would only need a fraction of the Black Imperium's strength to wipe us out. Would he choose to wipe us out if it meant losing ground against a serious power? No. But if he can afford to, and we earn ourselves a place high up enough on his shitlist, then we'll be in serious trouble.
Additionally, if he decides to send more spies to the Trust and find out if there's anything else we're up to, which he would in that absolute worst case scenario, then he might find out about our treasure trove of technology, even if his agents can't recover any of it. That could convince him that losing ground in other wars is worth it if he can get his hands on our technology, since it increase the power of the Black Imperium enormously, and make it better able to deal with those threats.
The largest issue Abbadon would have with sending any forces to attack us is that he's going to know that the Ynnari owe us big time. He's not a fool. He's going to be well aware of just how big a thing it is for them that we rescued Isha. And every incident of them helping us out in the past is going to suddenly make a lot of sense. The secret that we've been working with the Eldar is going to be out, and soon it's going to become apparent that all that fancy tech that Quartus is rolling out looks suspiciously like ours, so that secret is pretty much going to be out as well.
But for the exact reason that the Ynnari owe us massively is the same reason he can't just casually wipe us out of existence. The Empire of Ashes will defend us if he does. Normally, he might be willing to commit to those losses just to get a chance at getting our tech and attaining revenge for Cadia. But the Orks are still a problem, and the Void Dragon will soon be loosed upon the Galaxy. He's not going to be able to commit that kind of force without fucking himself over, and he'll be well aware of that.
So, I expect he'll end up sending a punitary fleet at some point. This fleet will be filled with unreliables who can't be trusted and are plotting against him. Likely a bunch of folks from Tzeentch's factions, because those ambitious fuckers just got the biggest power up. This fleet will be expected to lose and die when the Ynnari inevitably move to stop them, and Abbadon can punish and demote anyone who manages to return. After that, he might try to boost the Chaos polities near us to do what they can to keep us contained, but he won't expect them to win since we can always call in more favors from the Eldar.
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the hell is the Midnight Council?
