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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Nurgle said:
If you have access to his paetron sheet it makes it a lot easier. The sheets also break down income, expenditures and tithe. Right now our base is 220 billion before upkeep,trade and tithe. We bring in 330 billion in trade. These numbers are a estimate since I am on my phone but we are right now -44 billion a year.
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so total income before costs is 550B thrones?
 
Nurgle said:
We also get another 200 or so from having such a great Administration. So let's say about 800 billion thrones. I will look up the numbers later if you want but we always chase the shiny.
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yeah, that would be nice. could you (or someone else) clarify how the different multipliers work please? I was about to do some calculations, but you stating that has made me think I am missing some things.

its hard to really partake in the action optimization when I don't have full access to the numbers. (and no, unfortentely, as a uni student I'm not sure I can justify donating even a little money just yet)
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
We already sell luxury goods from Avernus and off world people are no where near xenophilic enough to use Nynye goods.

That wouldn't do anything material isn't a problem. Thrones are money, we can trade for more thrones next meeting which is soon. Also admech doesn't do that, we have factories for material, thrones are capital which we lack.

We already do that on a small scale, but we're not going to be doing that and they've got non avernite ones to do that especially since we're going to be occupied with our city wards.

I mean it'd probably cause hideous moral problems as well as the morale issues, and the moon hives count economically towards our economy.

Why? The world bound forge hives are just as dangerous and in space we already do that as much as we can without nullifying the entire point of living on Avernus. If we don't live on the planet than we may as well do what the DAoT did and live in space.

Frankly the only solution I can see are either get a ton more tech to the point that the admech's forge hives can be sustained, or do what the Imperium did and give these forges massive subsidies.
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Do you think massive subsidies are something the Imperial Trust would support? I know that they weren't exactly keen on our military subsidies, so I'm not sure how they'll take us asking for handouts that will primarily benefit us, even if having more Forge Hives/Forge Worlds will benefit the Imperial Trust as a whole.
 
Ptolemy said:
Do you think massive subsidies are something the Imperial Trust would support? I know that they weren't exactly keen on our military subsidies, so I'm not sure how they'll take us asking for handouts that will primarily benefit us, even if having more Forge Hives/Forge Worlds will benefit the Imperial Trust as a whole.
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we can get the same effect by selling a lot of what the forges produce.
 
Ptolemy said:
Do you think massive subsidies are something the Imperial Trust would support? I know that they weren't exactly keen on our military subsidies, so I'm not sure how they'll take us asking for handouts that will primarily benefit us, even if having more Forge Hives/Forge Worlds will benefit the Imperial Trust as a whole.
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I'm not confident of it no.

random_npc said:
we can get the same effect by selling a lot of what the forges produce.
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Unfortunately we don't really do that, we're a net drain on EM and AM the primary products of forges.
 
Dragon_352 said:
yeah, that would be nice. could you (or someone else) clarify how the different multipliers work please? I was about to do some calculations, but you stating that has made me think I am missing some things.

its hard to really partake in the action optimization when I don't have full access to the numbers. (and no, unfortentely, as a uni student I'm not sure I can justify donating even a little money just yet)
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Income 232,180,795,813
upkeep Buildings-489,437,,156,473
upkeep citu-38,492,244,957
upkeep Military-50,688,074,995
upkeep other-44,966,281,826
upkeep Space -83,391,477,499
Bonus morale 58,045,198,953
Saving Admin 539,454,538,852
productivity bonus 610,514,335
Trade 319,500,000,000
Tithe -86,500, 757,820
Trade Levy -33,000,000,000
Net Income -44,848,833,081
ok I had to write it out
 
I believe we are the biggest producers of Metal and Material, so we can just continue what we were doing and sell that to buy Thrones and AM/EM.
 
Our best bet if trade which we are already doing and should max out thrones. We only need to bring enough AM for a net positive for a few decades and we have a huge reserve of Am. Which we can use till we get the Am huge forge operational. Unfortunately we don't really have a easy way to increase population growth. So we should focus on Administration shake up and education during the time skip and maybe finish off the the city to hive for expansion. I was trying to push to the north but that looks like it will now be decades away for us.

I will post my plan in a couple hours when I get off work if you would like a change let me know and have a good reason. Also nothing to expensive because I don't know how much we can get going into the high council meeting.
 
Ptolemy said:
I know that they weren't exactly keen on our military subsidies
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No, general consensus was that the subsidies were pretty worth the crazy amount of crazy good elites Avernus churns out. There's time before Conclave where we were told to calm down a bit but that was because Trust just couldn't afford it. After we implemented the production tech from Conclave Bertil wanted to reduce the subsidies because at the time Helheim system had, IIRC, second largest economy in the Trust and as such us receiving big subsidies was seen as bit unfair (but that opinion was far from universal and people were content with fairly small reduction in rebate).
 
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Actually population growth might be incoming, since I believe Durin said that the bloom bees could increase growth significantly, enough to get the trust as a whole to feel grateful for it.
 
Ok looking at the agenda for the high council meeting
1 trade is the important part
2 Dragon nest merger (we should consider not buying that much AM since dragons will need a lot to upgrade fully.
3 should be burn down the local chaos polity. I think we should not since we are going to have a civil war soon and still have 50 years or more to rebuild the trust fleet.
4 colonization of the 15 worlds we had Saint Lin clean up. We should consider these since the next 50 years the chaos polities will still be recovering and that is 15 more worlds that will give us more resources.
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Also preparations for the veil ritual, like offering to send pskyer hunters to help them prepare (this, combined with the Bloom Bees, will earn us a good deal of goodwill).

Also what to do about Lancre if we bring them here.

And we should also bring up that inter-Trust tournament idea (kind of like the Olympics) we had a while back.
 
[x] Plan Nurgle T141

Administratum
SLOT A - Year 3
Y3:Administrative Shake-Up
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
Y5: Administrative Shake-Up
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT B - Year 5
Y5: Expand (Desdes ) to Small Hive
- - Expedite Year 5
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1: Sound out (using minor eldar favor to bring Lancre here)
If they agree Year 2 action
Y2: Ask the Nyne if they would like to form a alliance to coordinate with you for when chaos attacks Avernus.
If Lancre is still aroud and not corrupted. If not go to if the don't contingent
Y3: Use minor eldar favor to bring Lancre here and check if they are corrupt please
Y4: Ask The Lizardmen to for a alliance to coordinate with you for when chaos attacks Avernus.
If they don't contingent
Y2: Sound Out Crimson crusaders using Star fort Atlas Gift or Avernus as a base of operation.
Y3: Ear to ground ( find out what else is going to be discussed)
Y4: Ask Siren if they would be willing to form a alliance to the people of Avernus or us ,to coordinate with each other when Chaos or demons attack Avernus


Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1-5: Greater Psyker Hunting
—YEAR 1 DOUBLE DOWN
SLOT B - Year 2
Y2-5 : Counter Intelligence

Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 2 (Ridcully)
If Council agrees
Y2: Greater Divination (Arhra location)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
Y3: Greater Divination ( Lancre)

Y4: Primal Warp
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
If they Don't
Y2: Greater Divination (Arhra Location)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
Y3: Greater Divination ( Threats to the Trust)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
Y4: Primal Warp
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
Free Divination
( What is causing the curses for the Blood angels and successor chapter)
I

SLOT B - Year 3 ( Aria)
Y3: Runes of Protection Focus: Battle Psykers

Personal
SLOT A - Year 5
Y5: Bolehs Spider Packs: Guilds
SLOT B year 1 Personal
Y1: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out ( Military)
Y2: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out ( Administratum)
Y3: Tutor Tormod in Administration
Y4: Spend Tome with Tormod
Y5: Attend High Council Meeting
ok really going cheap these turn, we are broke. AS always I welcome feedback as long as you have a good reason. will check on it after dinner and i get back home.
 
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StormySky said:
Also preparations for the veil ritual, like offering to send pskyer hunters to help them prepare (this, combined with the Bloom Bees, will earn us a good deal of goodwill).
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I don't believe that's needed should be done automatically either by us or the inquisition.

I believe the trust tournament got canned cause of Avernites, but I'm sure we can broach the issue especially with how many more people are going to be added cause DN.
 
Basically I'm saying you're crazy if you want to try and fix Avernus' Thrones deficit. Forge Worlds, which are essentially what our Metal Moons are at this point, typically have all the nearby worlds if not an entire sector supplying them with resources.
 
[x] Plan Nianque T141

Administratum
SLOT A - Year 3
Y3:Administrative Shake-Up
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
Y5: Administrative Shake-Up
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT B - Year 5
Y5: Expand (Desdes) to Small Hive
- - EXPEDITE YEAR 5

Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1: Investigate Quartok
Y2: Coordinate with the Nynye on defensive arrangements against Chaos and Daemonic Incursions.
Y3: Coordinate with the Lizardmen on defensive arrangements against Chaos and Daemonic Incursions.
Y4: Coordinate with the Azure Bay Sirens on defensive arrangements against Chaos and Daemonic Incursions.

Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1-5: Greater Psyker Hunting
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
SLOT B - Year 2
Y2-5 : Counter Intelligence

Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 2 (Ridcully)
Y2: Greater Divination (Arhra Location)
- - TRIPLE DOWN YEAR 2 (Free divination)
Y3: Greater Divination (Threats to the Trust)
Y4: Primal Warp
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4

SLOT B - Year 3 ( Aria)
Y3: Runes of Protection Focus: Battle Psykers

Personal
SLOT A - Year 5
Y5: Bolehs Spider Packs: Guilds
SLOT B year 1 Personal
Y1: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out (Avernus, Military)
Y2: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out (Avernus, Administratum)
Y3: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out (Avernus, Intelligentsia - Debate Clubs, Political Scientists, University Professors, similar)
Y4: Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out (Avernus, Guilds)
Y5: Attend High Council Meeting

Collected DDs and Expedites:
Y1: DD on Greater Psyker Hunting
Y2: DD Greater Divination (Arhra)
Y3: DD on Adminstrative Shake-Up
Y4: DD on Primal Warp
Y5: DD on Adminstrative Shake-Up
Y5: Expedite on Expand (Desdes) to Small Hive
 
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Shard said:
Basically I'm saying you're crazy if you want to try and fix Avernus' Thrones deficit. Forge Worlds, which are essentially what our Metal Moons are at this point, typically have all the nearby worlds if not an entire sector supplying them with resources.
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mmm...

Kinda puts into perspective how efficient Callamus has to be to supply all their forge worlds, and how much they're likely able to expand with their budgets increasing thanks to more tech.

@Durin
1. How many of both the Grand Cathedrals would a fully developed forge world of normal age typically possess?
 
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