Considering his whole rebellion started only because the Dragon got blown away by Blackstone Fortresses, he might very well just not have a good answer. Certainly they very much fail against the other active C'tan out there.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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that or divination
Yes, I'm aware. But if he has some kids then one of them could potentially inherit under that system, if they're worthy of it.
He's only 673
Got at least another 30 years in him, assuming he doesn't go for other options available to the powerful in the trust to boost it more.
He's 788. That sheet hasn't been updated since Turn 114.
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I don't know.
I can't use the take on the dragon from another author as canon, here, so I was asking the thread what exactly we know about the Void Dragon to make a better judgement.
At least the fact that the Necrons took out the dragon first of all C'Tan hints that they really didn't want to take him on forewarned.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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We know the Dragon is probably the most powerful being in the materium, that it seemed to have gone into hibernation after being hit by the Blackstones (which are Eldar creations, talismans of Vaul and all the Necrons seemingly had nothing to do with his knock out), its been waking up periodically every few thousand/million years where upon the Eldar would hunt it down and wound it again, after one of those woundings it came to Terra where emps managed to trick it into going to sleep and then kept it that way until his death.
We don't actually know that, we do know that he was preparing his rebellion for a very long time and started it when the Old Ones were gone, the Krork were gone and the Eldar on their last legs. The intention was to leave the Necrons as the last peeps standing and get revenge on the C'tan for screwing them over.
It'd be very odd for a plan he was prepared by a transcendent of martial with the help of a transcendent of learning and transcendent of divination that was in the works for so long to not include how to fuck up the Dragon as well. It seems more likely to me that he just thought the dragon was dead on account of getting hit in the face with several blackstones and going into hiding.
The destroyer is odd because of the virus which is already in every Necron, albeit dormant. The Dragon doesn't strike me as having that capacity to easily override them all.
I wouldn't find it odd if it was simply outside of his ability to get a good plan to fuck Dragon up. And so he didn't start until he lucked out and the Dragon shot by Blackstone Fortresses. That, or maybe his plan was to have Dragon shot with them, and it simply didn't work as well as he hoped.
Doomed Wombat
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I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, I fear.
It's kind of the arrangement we had with Freya - one of our biological descendents with here would be picked, barring there being no worthy heir. (in the latter case they'd still be expected to inherit something, like our fief on Asgard) Marrying our daughter to a prominent member of a Knight House from Asgard reinforced this.
As far as a competition... I think that's a poor way to pick leadership. Personally I'd rather just have our advisors pick from a pool of candidates (OOC we just vote on the candidates).
My personal thinking on the matter is that the House of Rotbart becomes something akin to the royal family of Avernus, with the members of it getting first consideration for the Governorship by tradition. If there's nobody both worthy and willing, then the position goes to someone else chosen by the various department heads. The position is for life or until that person steps down, so there's no fight with some royal family member who gets born during that time and might be worthy over them getting the seat. I think that kind of system would satisfy our obligations to the noble spouses we married into the line, while keeping the matter meritocratic enough for Avernite purposes.
I don't think a normal royalty can survive on avernus, not with our attrition.
Also a general question for the thread. Would the chaos ritual also empower our psykers.
Doomed Wombat
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Yes, but chaos sorcerors get the most benefit as they can more easily call on chaos gods and summon deamons.
We do get some benefits though, so there are a few silver linings.
They stand a better chance than most, given they'd have bodyguards. A branch could also be kept living in the fief in Asgard. The main issue is actually having enough children, and not making that foolish decision that both Rotbart and Syr did to only have one child until that child grew up. I'm hoping Tormod will actually do the Avernite thing and have lots of kids.
Though if the line were to die out, then the system would still accommodate that since it's not reliant on the House of Rotbart to produce heirs, or we could add an Avernite tradition to inheritance and the House of Rotbart could be inherited by adopted family members along Avernite customs.
Or We could just not have a traditional monarchy, its so cliche.
So, we probably want to start the Heltrooper Harvester regiments this turn and use the 5 year slot on Helguard Elite armor for the infantry next turn. Between that and the recently complete PDF trooper armor we'll be in a pretty good spot once the army has recovered.
I don't really care how cliche you think it is - it's not a real argument about why we should or shouldn't do it.
We married two noble lines into our bloodline with them having some kind of expectation of hereditary inheritance for their descendants. That does give us a degree of political obligation to follow through, IMO. So figuring out a compromise system of some sort seems like a prudent idea to me.
It is a perfectly valid argument. I think the alternatives would be more fun. You are free to disagree,but that doesn't make the argument less valid.
As for the nobles, they can't complain since the dude doesn't want to be the heir.
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Honestly I'm partial to the Jane school of getting good potential inheritors- track down a talented orphan and adopt them.
Admittedly this is a lot harder when looking for martial talent than clmbat talent, since you can't really be accidentally pushed into a situation where you need to command an army as a child, but we have an advantage most worlds don't, aka fucktons of psykers and Ridcully, the best mortal diviner in the galaxy.
Upon askig Durin, an average roll done by Ridcully to sniff out the 'best' adoptable martial candidate would leave us with a list in the thousands. Not great, but that's a low enough number we can either do another divination to narrow down the numbers further, or just take those thousands and work through their rough levels of skill via Gladatoria-based command training. Although it takes up so much energy we can't do this in bulk, we could probably work through the list in a decade or two, or if we're willing to get potentially suboptimal picks, we can randomly select 100 from the list to start with.
Once that's done with, we pick the best candidate, adopt them as a Rotbart, and focus on tutoring them until they're worthy of the name. Optimally speaking we then take that list and offer every kid who's willing a position in a military school because they'd still be talented for the job, but that's optional.
Avernus is a world dedicated to making weapons. As people on that world, we shouldn't forget the potential of any of them, because if they've survived till now, they have something to them. And hey, being relatives by adoption is more than commonplace on Avernus, it's practically assumed you'll have a blood-bond or two, even for Rotbart, Jane's essentially his sister.
The main drawback is pretty obvious, of course. That being that Ridcully's time is incredibly valuable, so we'd always be sacrificing a little to maximise our potential successor's abilities.
Admittedly this is a lot harder when looking for martial talent than clmbat talent, since you can't really be accidentally pushed into a situation where you need to command an army as a child, but we have an advantage most worlds don't, aka fucktons of psykers and Ridcully, the best mortal diviner in the galaxy.
Upon askig Durin, an average roll done by Ridcully to sniff out the 'best' adoptable martial candidate would leave us with a list in the thousands. Not great, but that's a low enough number we can either do another divination to narrow down the numbers further, or just take those thousands and work through their rough levels of skill via Gladatoria-based command training. Although it takes up so much energy we can't do this in bulk, we could probably work through the list in a decade or two, or if we're willing to get potentially suboptimal picks, we can randomly select 100 from the list to start with.
Once that's done with, we pick the best candidate, adopt them as a Rotbart, and focus on tutoring them until they're worthy of the name. Optimally speaking we then take that list and offer every kid who's willing a position in a military school because they'd still be talented for the job, but that's optional.
Avernus is a world dedicated to making weapons. As people on that world, we shouldn't forget the potential of any of them, because if they've survived till now, they have something to them. And hey, being relatives by adoption is more than commonplace on Avernus, it's practically assumed you'll have a blood-bond or two, even for Rotbart, Jane's essentially his sister.
The main drawback is pretty obvious, of course. That being that Ridcully's time is incredibly valuable, so we'd always be sacrificing a little to maximise our potential successor's abilities.
Shard
One and Many
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I figure the fastest way to narrow down is to add neq reqs (P/C over a certain amount) until you get a list of 100 or so. Or 10 or so.
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- Somewhere on Earth
Mmhm, although in that case we'd either need to take up more of Ridcully's precious time, or figure out how to industrialize stringent tests for traits like high Piety or Diplomacy, which I'm not sure how to do. Maybe some psyker telepaths for Piety, and combat training from Helguard? Who knows how you can can test for intrigue en mass.
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There is also possible morale/psychological issues with the orphan who may feel like they are only being adopted to be used as a tool.
The fact that other people with families might be perfectly good candidates not brought to consideration because they were not orphaned and a bunch of other problems with that approach that I can see popping up.
Not everybody is Jacob and going to turn out relatively mentally sane after Jane's training and decades in the caverns.
The fact that other people with families might be perfectly good candidates not brought to consideration because they were not orphaned and a bunch of other problems with that approach that I can see popping up.
Not everybody is Jacob and going to turn out relatively mentally sane after Jane's training and decades in the caverns.
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
Telepathy should a be a very efficient test to check baseline piety (in the willpower sense). Also has a side benefit of minimizing the odds of the Nat 1 Alpha-kills-everyone event. Combat shouldn't be excessively difficult either, since it's constantly checked for. Intrigue is definitely a difficult preposition.
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To be fair, A. That's already the case for being born on Avernus. They don't get those Born Soldier traits for nothing, and B. We're not gonna put them through tests as bad as Jacob had, and the Caverns were not intentional. If we put all our candidates through the caverns it would be both ruthless and impractical, since C on that level isn't really needed, since they'll develop to that level or die anyway.
Admittedly, we could forcibly adopt from still-full families, but that would likely engender some bitterness and also make the feeling of being used a lot worse. Though, maybe we could set up some joint adoption? We don't have to tear them from their families, could just offer it as a guaranteed (excepting death but that's just Avernus) path to a reliable job position and relative fame at minimum, and at most being the fucking family of a kid given the title of a Rotbart potential heir.
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... can we spend year 1 on another then select that?