- Location
- UK
@Durin Is this correct? They'd only help us with four projects in total?
-
Going forward, links to content from Twitter (now X) will no longer be embedded. Pre-existing links should not be affected.
The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
Probably they won't care about FTL, sure. But that level of technology would allow:
1. Planetwide communication through satellite networks
2. Mass production of military-grade hardware, even if it's primitive.
3. Nuclear weapons (which, yes, Avernite shields would easily stop low-TL missiles, but it's still a big boom for a planted bomb.)
4. Mass media and organization.
5. Enough understanding of science to advance further on their own.
It's taking trolls from primitive tribes to potential nation-states. Add this tech to their natural abilities, and they could potentially cause a lot of trouble.
In return for what? Some mining help that we don't really need?
Again, we don't have to make a deal just for the sake of making a deal. If it doesn't seem particularly advantageous, we can just not do it.
- Location
- madison
It's not so much price gouging as that is the level of tech they need to be able to help.
Like, look at this one.
that is one in every 20 trolls at any given time in our armies fighting for our people. For reference, as a heavily industrialized and automated society, we have 10% of our population as full-time soldiers. Giving up that much of their populace is a massive thing. This is not a case of the trolls price gouging, this is a case of scale. We are just so big, and there are just so few trolls, that they need that level of technology to be able to build up their populace to the level where they can help.
Last edited:
- Location
- United States
[X] Do not make any trade with the Trolls.
not worth the relations hit with the trust.
not worth the relations hit with the trust.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Correction: Trolls need FTL technology for even the most minor level of assistance.
It's pretty impressive they can helf with a ~10 TL gap.
HanEmpire
Delicious
How about we ease the trolls into high tech? Give them up to tech level 6 for now to boost their population growth, then give them tech 7 to introduce them to the Trust at large to develop credentials, then move up to tech level 10 for economic modifiers. Go slow and steady on this so that we don't get attacked for xenophilia, setting ourselves up for serious aid a century or two down the line.
Last edited:
HanEmpire
Delicious
[X] Mining assistance - Tech level 6
We don't really need the trolls that badly right now. I'd rather not repeat that massive loss of diplomatic standing we took by setting up Siren embassies without convincing the Trust at large. Avernites are already called ruthless assholes, let's not add another line to that list.
We don't really need the trolls that badly right now. I'd rather not repeat that massive loss of diplomatic standing we took by setting up Siren embassies without convincing the Trust at large. Avernites are already called ruthless assholes, let's not add another line to that list.
Last edited:
- Location
- Back in Cali
1. They neither need nor want planet wide communications because they are only in a single part and that won't change because the planet won't send them out.
2. That is what we want so they are better at fighting chaos. And at that level of tech they will not make anything that is a threat.
3. Will not happen becuase the planet would destroy them if they used radiological weapons it is the same reason we don't have any on the planet.
4. We don't care about mass media they lack a culture to make use of it and organization allows them to be of greater use but is not need because of the planet mind already organizes them far better than any tech.
5. Not an issue since it would take generations to fully understand it and then centuries more to even begin the process to level up to tech 7.
It's a relative tech level thing. At ~ TL 8, you can sell it as being no different than Ork tech (with all the inherent snootyness implied therein), but going beyond gets you into slightly below average Imperial tech, which also has the issue of being human tech. A lot of the high council is only a generation or two removed from living in Imperial times/tech levels, so it's much harder for them to disregard that level of tech as insignificant.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
To this I say: ..So? The Trolls aren't our enemy. Nuclear Weapons are shit in this setting and also banned on Avernus, and your weird fear of planted bombs goes splat when you think about the fact that everyone in this setting has been dealing with that shit since forever. Hell, we've already spent an Eldar Favor to techup the Sirens so we could get a single Artifact, given TL 16 Tautech weapons to the Lizardpeople, and TL 10 Nynye tech to the Nynye for Alkahestry: So what?
Hell, if you think about it, giving better tech to the Trolls so they get a pop boom and reach Nation-states level is a good thing, since they're excellent allies against Daemonic Incursions.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
[X] Plan Notte Troll Trade
-[X] Mining assistance - Tech level 6
-[X]Avernite Auxiliaries (5% of Troll pop)- Tech level 7
-[X] Minor Construction assistance (-10% time on up to 3 projects)- Tech level 8
Made a plan since I'm not sure exactly how the vote works.
Let's go up to 8 to get that sweet construction time buff and to power up one of our closest neighbors since if another chaos incrusion happens the Trolls are the closest people to us iirc. Yeah the rest of the Trust won't like this but honestly the Trust needs to grow up and stop being so afraid of Xenophilia and treating it like cooties. So what if this deal isn't super in our favor it's not like it really costs us anything while helping another anti-chaos race and getting some nice side benefits. The only reason to be worried about trading them tech is that they'll turn on us which in that case why do we even trust the treaties we already have? Let's just bite the bullet since we're already here and once again there's no real cost to us.
-[X] Mining assistance - Tech level 6
-[X]Avernite Auxiliaries (5% of Troll pop)- Tech level 7
-[X] Minor Construction assistance (-10% time on up to 3 projects)- Tech level 8
Made a plan since I'm not sure exactly how the vote works.
Let's go up to 8 to get that sweet construction time buff and to power up one of our closest neighbors since if another chaos incrusion happens the Trolls are the closest people to us iirc. Yeah the rest of the Trust won't like this but honestly the Trust needs to grow up and stop being so afraid of Xenophilia and treating it like cooties. So what if this deal isn't super in our favor it's not like it really costs us anything while helping another anti-chaos race and getting some nice side benefits. The only reason to be worried about trading them tech is that they'll turn on us which in that case why do we even trust the treaties we already have? Let's just bite the bullet since we're already here and once again there's no real cost to us.
Last edited:
HanEmpire
Delicious
We also have infinite metal reserves, can't forget that part.
- Location
- madison
I admit I don't see the trolls getting to the point of cities and factories as a bad thing. we get along okish, and as a settled peopel they would be more vulnerable to us pushing their shit in if it came to blows. Full Tl 16 is to much, but Tl 10 would be fine to me. They would not be a threat to us, could help out more if chaos takes a swing, and could assist more.
that said, I'm not sure if the difference between 10% and 20% is worth the diplomatic blowback. So maybe up them to Tl 8?
that said, I'm not sure if the difference between 10% and 20% is worth the diplomatic blowback. So maybe up them to Tl 8?
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
[X] Plan Notte Troll Trade
[X] Tech Level 10
A few -1 Relations is absolutely worthwhile for the 10% time savings we'll get. It's essentially free Expedites here and there, and while not as amazing as 20% time savings, a quick look at our construction projects says it's a pretty big effect. Heck, -2 to -3 relations for TL 10 is worth it! Just look at these!
[X] Tech Level 10
A few -1 Relations is absolutely worthwhile for the 10% time savings we'll get. It's essentially free Expedites here and there, and while not as amazing as 20% time savings, a quick look at our construction projects says it's a pretty big effect. Heck, -2 to -3 relations for TL 10 is worth it! Just look at these!
I mean I'm fine with TL 8 and voting for it. I'll just be a sad Avernite if we don't at least get Mining Assistance. It directly translates to more thrones for us which turns into faster PA implementation.
- Location
- United states
I agree with this. It's going to take them a while to tech up anyway so it wouldn't hurt to start off slow until they can contribute more since then the Trust couldn't complain as much.
- Location
- Australia
I think the best help would be for Avernite mining, once we use our Biologis actions to do geology (which Durin said would be valid). The Trolls would be a great help in identifying and acquiring magical metals and minerals.
- Location
- madison
[X] Plan Notte Troll Trade
I kinda want some diplomatic slack for future shenanigans. So let's just give them tl 8
I kinda want some diplomatic slack for future shenanigans. So let's just give them tl 8
- Location
- United states
Please don't fear monger. We just got confirmation that tech below level 8 won't cause any trouble with the Trust. Also doubt that the Trolls having access to some tech would mean that they just suddenly go to war with us and start trouble since it really wouldn't get them that much. We not only outnumber them to a significant degree but our tech and industry is light years ahead of them. They honestly aren't that much of a threat and going to war with us would be pretty counter productive for them since we have way more advantageous then them and even if they did build up industry they likely would be pragmatic enough to not pick fights against people that can target their industry while they are already dealing with all the other shit on Avernus.
That and as people pointed out before upteching Avernus races means that Chaos gets a much tougher fight each time they throw an incursion against Avernus. Which is great since that big chaos ritual may make incursions more frequent.
- Location
- United States
[X] Tech Level 7
Last edited:
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
*sobbing*
Geology, Cleaners.. I mean.. if it gets us more research I'm all for it.
To be honest as long as the Trust:
1. Trading with us on the optimal rate.
2. Not DOWing/Sanctions on us.
3. Listening to the ~0 proposals we come up with (which tend to be the -5 Relations sort).
I'm pretty fine with Diplo hits.
- Location
- Brazil, Minas gerais
[X] Tech Level 8
I hope that working with humans in the eternal wars helps more than alone with their numbers (birth/death rates). Plus I imagine that Auxiliaries can receive medical/psyker attention if they fight us and that is way above what they probably get with medical attention. This planet also receive some extra attention of the chaos god Nurgle recently. So yeah I think is a humanitarian decision to raise their understanding of science and medicine. but I will not vote for all options because they also need to actually learn the lessons.
So I hope this speed the integration of avernites with xenos. And these trolls as far as I remember had honor the peace treaty and help with war against chaos^^.
edit.
I hope that working with humans in the eternal wars helps more than alone with their numbers (birth/death rates). Plus I imagine that Auxiliaries can receive medical/psyker attention if they fight us and that is way above what they probably get with medical attention. This planet also receive some extra attention of the chaos god Nurgle recently. So yeah I think is a humanitarian decision to raise their understanding of science and medicine. but I will not vote for all options because they also need to actually learn the lessons.
So I hope this speed the integration of avernites with xenos. And these trolls as far as I remember had honor the peace treaty and help with war against chaos^^.
edit.
Last edited: