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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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It seems to me that something might be useful to do is to a Diplomatic action like this:

[] Ear to the Ground: Avernus Succession - Take a poll among Avernus elites of how they think Rotbart's successor should be determined and what the most valuable qualities are in the next Governor.

Because even saying that it should be "merit-based" isn't really informative. What is most important here? The highest Martial possible? The highest Administration? Should we be looking for someone like Rotbart who is very high in at least three or four stats, even if they aren't necessarily the best in any one stat? What sort of accomplishments should someone demonstrate before making the Short List?

Rotbart could die at any time, and perhaps his most important responsibility is ensuring that there's an orderly succession process in place that the elites all have confidence in and will agree to follow.
 
Nurgle said:
I am not sure what you are getting at. But the idea is to have a psyker order to do the construction so it can be done under Administration or Rotbart can do it. Right now after the current expansion we will have 8 turns to do it. But yes the next expansion option we have is 15 years ( 3 turns) but if we have Aria create a order than no Psyker Hero is to take the option again. It's like what we did with the Admech but would cause less problems.
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What I'm getting at is that psyker pop will reach the current cap in 6-7 turns at current rates. Finishing the current Aria action in two years adds another two years worth of growth to the cap, meaning we'd hit the cap 6-7 years after it finishes (8-9 turns from now). Since finishing the action is going to take 15 years there's going to be a period of 8 (14 if she founds an order instead) years where the psyker population is either being held at the cap or going over the cap.

I'm asking if we know what the consequences of being at or over the psyker pop cap is going to be for that period.
 
Adventwolf said:
I am not shaming anyone. Just because it annoys me doesn't discredit them or the work they did. As for punishing people considering that the trait is a reflection of everything that was written for him before we got his sheet it is simply logical that it was made in response for it. If it was meant as a punishment or not doesn't matter it was a result from the omakes same as Tormod's father was a result of the omakes made about him.
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My apologies I made an omake that I thought was fun and amusing building off a trait that we knew his grandpa had, I didn't expect Durin to run with it, as I always assume my omakes will be non canon.

Briefvoice said:
Rotbart could die at any time, and perhaps his most important responsibility is ensuring that there's an orderly succession process in place that the elites all have confidence in and will agree to follow.
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Given Avernus my preference is for omnicompetence, able to handle any situation with at least calmness.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
My apologies I made an omake that I thought was fun and amusing building off a trait that we knew his grandpa had, I didn't expect Durin to run with it, as I always assume my omakes will be non canon.


Given Avernus my preference is for omnicompetence, able to handle any situation with at least calmness.
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So, no Stat below 15 and preferably at least 3 over 20, perhaps with a Paragon in Combat, though high Martial would also be nice?
 
ilbgar123 said:
So, no Stat below 15 and preferably at least 3 over 20, perhaps with a Paragon in Combat, though high Martial would also be nice?
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Pretty much, rather unreasonable by most standards, although if those are the criteria you're going for then Tormod meets a lot of them and likely will meet most of them soon.

He's got only 1 stat under 20, his martial is higher than several of our martials despite never orchestrating a war, and he's approaching paragon combat at a pace only surpassed by Jacob.
 
ilbgar123 said:
So, no Stat below 15 and preferably at least 3 over 20, perhaps with a Paragon in Combat, though high Martial would also be nice?
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I have said it one twice and I will say it thrice Jacob would be perfect for the job
he is a widely respected and an inspiring figure has has both a piety(51) and combat(61) paragons so there is no chance of him dying cause of random back ground dice , his Intrigue is also pretty great at(41) while his diplomacy(24) and learning(29) are merely good . his weakness are admin(19) only cause he never really learned to manage any thing bigger than a squad and his martial(25) is a bit meh also cause he never bothered to learn any thing beyond leading his squad both of these weakness Rotbart is qualified to remedy by taking Jacob as his student and grooming him as his successor and for those harping on about keeping it in the family Jacob is considered to be Rotbarts nephew

Doomed Wombat said:
Pretty much, rather unreasonable by most standards, although if those are the criteria you're going for then Tormod meets a lot of them and likely will meet most of them soon.

He's got only 1 stat under 20, his martial is higher than several of our martials despite never orchestrating a war, and he's approaching paragon combat at a pace only surpassed by Jacob.
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Durin already said that Tormod doesn't want to be planetary governor and its not the kind of job we can just force on someone who doesn't want it also changing Tormod mind would be pointless as this whole mass started cause we wanted to secure the secession cause our original intended heir is dead and waiting how ever many years decades or centuries to maybe convince Tormod to take the job would defeat the point as we need an heir now
 
mmgaballah said:
he is a widely respected and an inspiring figure
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Not especially.

Like his mother he's kept a low profile, albeit one a bit higher than hers, but publically he's one of many helguard champions.

Oakhearts lead weird double lives.

mmgaballah said:
Durin already said that Tormod doesn't want to be planetary governor and its not the kind of job we can just force on someone who doesn't want it also changing Tormod mind would be pointless as this whole mass started cause we wanted to secure the secession cause our original intended heir is dead and waiting how ever many years decades or centuries to maybe convince Tormod to take the job would defeat the point as we need an heir now
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I'm rebutting those that say Tormod wouldn't make for a good govenor is terrible and should throw himself off a cliff so we can try again.

I'm not arguing that he wants to be one or that we should try and convince him of that fact, I'm just putting that out there as a statement of knowledge.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Not especially.

Like his mother he's kept a low profile, albeit one a bit higher than hers, but publically he's one of many helguard champions.

Oakhearts lead weird double lives.
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No no no , I meant that literally he has the inspiring trait it will likely marge with something else to become a much better and bigger trait

Durin said:
Inspiring (+1M, +2D, +15 morale for all forces in his presence)- Jacob Oakheart is an inspiring figure for his allies, rallying them to fight by his side with his charisma and sheer skill in combat.
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@Durin Did Operation Hecatoncheir being a success lead to Vlad, Ridcully or Rotbart getting any traits considering that this was a galactic scale operation?
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Not especially.

Like his mother he's kept a low profile, albeit one a bit higher than hers, but publically he's one of many helguard champions.

Oakhearts lead weird double lives.
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He is Champion of The Helguard the last person that held it was that super amazing person that we never got to see because she got killed by a UB Dragon on the turn we decided to investigate her remember?
 
Adventwolf said:
He is Champion of The Helguard the last person that held it was that super amazing person that we never got to see because she got killed by a UB Dragon on the turn we decided to investigate her remember?
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We really should make a policy where we won't use a diplo action on a character unless Rids is around so they don't die to a nat 1.
 
NPC45 said:
Speaking of Aryz, how have the Quartok been doing lately? It's been a while sense we last heard from them/
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that is a good question actually....

also, durin confirmed on discord that we don't know how big the boost is but it WILL target higher-power psykers the most.

so the power-ratios will basically increase towards the top.

betas might become alphas, alphas become alpha+'s.....

oh boy. good thing we are getting several not-that-small bonus's to our anti beta/alpha rolls and have been dealing with both for a while now.

on an entirely different note, any time there is a crit-fail on something important makes me wonder if it was tzeetch or soemthing. obviously not EVERY bad crit-fail is his fault (at least in theory), but we know durin is willing and able to add hidden bonus's/debuffs to various rolls

I could see tzeetch/other gods (or maybe just a hidden psyker in the right place) deciding, "screw it, can't get rotbart to turn or die, so imma just screw up his relationships". honestly doesn't seem that likely (especially since rid's WOULD be able to roll/re-roll against that working and/or seeing it happening months/years ahead of time)....but still something to consider.
 
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If this power up happens I wouldn't be too surprised if Ridcully got pushed into transcendent territory.

I also wonder if it would be possible for Ridcully to take part in either divining some aspect of the ritual or assisting the Sane powers in disrupting it. I would love to see him take another step on the path to ascendence. Also, what step is he on and how many were there?
 
invictus1829 said:
If this power up happens I wouldn't be too surprised if Ridcully got pushed into transcendent territory.

I also wonder if it would be possible for Ridcully to take part in either divining some aspect of the ritual or assisting the Sane powers in disrupting it. I would love to see him take another step on the path to ascendence. Also, what step is he on and how many were there?
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Doubt that we would actually be able to do much to stop the ritual. Chaos working together makes them far more effective then normal and for something like this can definitely see this being one of the few times they'd be willing to do so.
 
I think we can stop the ritual but it will most likely reveal the conclave existence. We have about a century before the ritual takes effect. Enough time to gather forces and attack any ritual sites in the galaxy. Which is a good thing since the necrons will be back. We are going to have to get those honor codes .
 
Nurgle said:
I think we can stop the ritual but it will most likely reveal the conclave existence. We have about a century before the ritual takes effect. Enough time to gather forces and attack any ritual sites in the galaxy. Which is a good thing since the necrons will be back. We are going to have to get those honor codes .
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wait, we got confirmation that that ritual is a centrery out?
 
Nurgle T140

Munitorum [2 Years]
Slot A:
Y2: Recruit: Helguard

Void Command
Slot A
Y1: Combine Shipyards: Gargantuan
MAay expedite depending on cost

Adminstratum [3 Years]
Slot A
Y3: Bloom Bees option



Diplomacy [5 Years]
Y1:Siren Trade
Y2: ear to ground
Y3:
Y4:
Y5:
Keep off the more extreme xeno options


Arbites [5 Years,]
Slot A
Y1: Counter intelligence
Y2-5: Greater Psyker Hunting

Mechanicus
Slot A - Explorator
Y3: Titan Design: Avernus-Pattern Warhound Titan


Slot B - Any, Fabricator-General
Y1: Multi year action for automated Mobile Research Facility
SLot Any
Y2:
Grand Cathedral of the Machine-God: Omnissiah- : Annwn is now large enough to build a Grand Cathedral of the Machine-God. This would double your already significant production of Advanced Material which would be a major boost to your economy. On the downside it will take decades and be incredibly expensive to build

Time: 25 years

Cost: 790,000,000,000 Thrones, 200,000,000,000 Material, 79,000,000,000 Metal, 3,900,000,000 Promethium, 20,00,000 Advanced Material, 2,600,000 Exotic Material, 320 Relic Material.
Upkeep per year: 79,000,000,000 Thrones, 20,000,000,000 Material, 7,900,000,000 Metal, 390,000,000 Promethium, 2,000,000 Advanced Material, 260,000 Exotic Material, 32 Relic Material.
Reward:+10 to all Adeptus Mechanicus rolls and -1 Unrest (only applies to 1st Grand Cathedral), increase base AM production by 200% (currently +700%), increase AM production by 1,000,000 (107mil), can have either Grand Cathedral of the Omnissiah or a Grand Cathedral of the Machine God,

I put these up becasue someone will argue for something else. That is 107 AM a year, enough so we do not have to import Am anymore and can look to exporting Am even. well Maybe ... maybe not becasue of the power armor options.

Telepathica [6 Years - Ridcully, 6 Years - Xavier, 2 Years - Tamia]

Slot A - Ridcully
Y3: Greater Divination (Chaos Ritual Details)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3 PLUS FREE DIVINATION FOR TRIPLE DOWN
Y4: Greater Divination (Location Of Lion El' Jonson)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4


Slot B - Tamia
Y3: Implement (Siren Rune that is not done)
Y5: Anti-Blood God Powers: Countering
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
Slot C - Aria
Y2: Create Psyker Order ( construction of Psyker cities, building of Psyker Quaters and expansion)

Personal

Slot A
Y1: Power-Armoured PDF: Shocktroopers
SLot B
Y2: Construction Expertise (Expand and downgrade Forge-Hive: Erecura ) – Your Vizier Rosalinda Orlov is a highly skilled architect and can oversee any major construction projects that the Administratum handles. This should be a good way to keep the expansions of your cities progressing.

Time: as project
Cost: free.
Reward: do one Adeptus Administratum, construction project with your characteristic bonus and traits

Slot C
Y1: Go Somewhere to grieve for SYR your beloved Daughter
Y2-4:
Y5: Sit Down and Talk with your Grandosn ( Come up with good write in)

ok preplan subjet to change. also if you want something explain why, and have a good reason why we should do that. not just becasue you want it
 
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NotteBoy97 said:
Yeah Durin said on Discord the ability to stop Rituals of this scale with this much warning was lost with the Imperium
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Makes sense considering that most of the Imperium fell and the vast majority of old territory and it's citizens became part of the Dark Imperium. Throw in that all the major polities are busy as hell as is and would be recovering for a very long time even if they took out their current major problems like Quartus and the Nids or Secondus and the Destroyer war. So it's one of those things we, as in the sane polities, just don't have the resources or time to stop.
 
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