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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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Durin said:
Lessons Learned Hive Fleet Grábakr- Your forces learnt much in the war against Hive Fleet Grábakr, and you should ensure that these lessons are remembered.

Time: 2 years
Chance of Success: 30%

Cost: 320,000,000 Thrones
Reward: Unknown bonus
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I think it's a mistake to discard this option, the reward isn't stated to be a bonus to fighting 'nids, it could be a bonus to fighting alongside the eldar or a moral bonus against end times tier foes. This was the first war against a truly superior foe and the casualties were immense, we should learn everything we can to help do better next time.
 
nat_401 said:
I think it's a mistake to discard this option, the reward isn't stated to be a bonus to fighting 'nids, it could be a bonus to fighting alongside the eldar or a moral bonus against end times tier foes. This was the first war against a truly superior foe and the casualties were immense, we should learn everything we can to help do better next time.
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Yeah @Nurgle @Shard I'd throw my support behind getting this done, maybe with a PA.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Dunno about pledge to defence save against chaos, but I'd be all for getting them in on hunting chaos psykers.
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Orks do attack as well. but the point is level 16 tech for help with construction is far to much. We'd need to find either something more for them to do for us, or a lesser payment.

@Shard would you consider offering the trolls up to the industrial revolution rather than full tau tech?
 
[] Plan Nrugle T139

Munitorum [2 Years]
Slot A:
Y5: Recruit: Helltroopers

Void Command [6 Years, 6 Years - Construct]
Slot A [Construct]:
Y1: Repair

Slot B:
Y1: Naval Lessons Learned Hive Fleet Grábakr - Repeat until Success
Y3: Combine Shipyards: Huge - EXPEDITE

Adminstratum [5 Years, 4 Years]
Slot A [5 Years]
Y2: Expand (Lonely Citadel) to Small Hive
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 2

Slot B [4 Years]
Y3: Bloom Bee Investigations


Diplomacy [6 Years]
Y1: Put the Ancient One and the Eldar/Krork in contact, so he can help with the Krork's endless Waagh.
Y2: Ear to the Ground (Dragon's Nest merger details)
Y3: Ear to the Ground (Asgard's new governor)
Y4: Ask the Nynye about the Underhive Idea*
Y5: Lizardmen Diplomacy (Saurus) - New Trade, Details below**
Y6: Ask the Eldar about the Black Imperium, as well as Operation Hecatoncheir results.

We need to do ear to the ground twice to get everything. These is going to be one of the most important things
I think the troll idea is not worth it since they have nothing to offer us and will be exposed to human technology, which will piss off the Conservatives. It is in my opinion not worth it.
**New Saurus Trade:
+Low Artifact Shield (Tamia, Rakes, Vizier (Rosalinda) and Adminstratum (Isaac) positions***)
+Low Artifact Shield/Weapons (Odysseus)
-Return Dead heroes' Artifacts (Syr's Artifact Weapon and Shield, Sir Pellinore's Shield)

New Credits: Saurus owe us 3,530 Credits

***If they die the artifacts go to their successor.

Arbites [6 Years, 6 Years]
Slot A
Y1:Thunder Hunters: Set Up
- - EXPEDITAE YEAR 1
Y6: Integrate Lizardmen
Slot B
Y1-6: Greater Psyker Hunting
We can integrate the th thuder warriors faster and have them started this turn. Frankly with Jane new traits I only think a alpha or Alpha plus an threaten her.

Mechanicus [4 Years - Explorator, 4 Years - Any, 1 Year - Biologis]
Slot A - Explorator
Year 3-6: Another

Slot B - Any, Fabricator-General
Year 3-6: Another
Slot C - Biologis
Year 6: Fixing the The Flaws of Thunder: Part One
Again I want enough exploration ships so we can explore the north without risking our army. We have no need urgnet need for titan design since we can only build one right now, or a urgent need for more EM. Also I want to get stated on fixing the thunder warriors becasue if we can stabilize them that is a long term elite warriors we can use. As it is they start to degrade after 50 years.

Telepathica [6 Years - Ridcully, 6 Years - Xavier, 2 Years - Tamia]

Slot A - Ridcully
Y1: Greater Divination (Void Dragon's Plans)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
Y2: Greater Divination (Where Lion went)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
Y3: Focused Divination (Trust Mechanicus Conservatives - Civil War timing)
Y5: Research: Destructive Resonances (Nurgle)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5

Slot B - Xavier
Y1: Royal Alkahestry

Slot C - Tamia
Y5: Anti-Blood God Powers: Countering
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5

Slot D - Free Greater Divination (Ridcully)
Y?: Free Greater Divination (Sanguinius)

The antichaos powers are more importaant than random research of things. Lets try to finish someof the psyker tech tree branches we have.

Personal [6 Years, 6 Years, 5 Years]

Slot A
Y1: Spend Time with Tormod ( see how he is doing and discuss him settling down as a option and if he has anyone in mind.)
Y2-6: Tutor Tormod ( Military strategy and Administrion, go into detail how logistics are important to war)
Slot B (Personal Attention)
Y1: Recruit (PDF)


Slot C (Personal Attention)
Y2:Lessons Learned: Hive Fleet Grabakr - REPEAT UNTIL SUCCESS
Y4: Implement (Bolehs Spider)

here is my updated protplan as always i welcome critic if you explain why.
 
random_npc said:
Orks do attack as well. but the point is level 16 tech for help with construction is far to much. We'd need to find either something more for them to do for us, or a lesser payment.

@Shard would you consider offering the trolls up to the industrial revolution rather than full tau tech?
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I mean the problem is that we really don't know what else the Trolls can do.

I've asked in Discord about things like supplying rare materials, geomancy and other things, but honestly as long as we get the past their developmental block then I'm fine...

Should probably ask what tech level that needs to be though.
 
random_npc said:
Orks do attack as well. but the point is level 16 tech for help with construction is far to much. We'd need to find either something more for them to do for us, or a lesser payment.

@Shard would you consider offering the trolls up to the industrial revolution rather than full tau tech?
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That would not allow them to help us with hive contruction.

e: They need TL 8ish to help.
 
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Nurgle said:
Y?: Free Greater Divination (Sanguinius)
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Why this when we have the upcoming chaos upgrade incoming?

Me thinks we want to rip that bandaid off quick.

Nurgle said:
Year 6: Fixing the The Flaws of Thunder: Part One
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Also I'd want to keep this off until we see what we get out of the Norn Queen.

It'd be dumb to get something that could upgrade this action, and then not be able to do it because we're busy doing the thunder warriors.
 
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As for the trolls, I would be extremely interested in asking them to establish some kind of anti psyker force for our cities and hives. I am also interested in maybe even asking them to establish colonies in the many walls of our hives.
 
invictus1829 said:
As for the trolls, I would be extremely interested in asking them to establish some kind of anti psyker force for our cities and hives. I am also interested in maybe even asking them to establish colonies in the many walls of our hives.
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They go through and live in stone not metal.

They can certainly establish colonies in our walls, by ripping them appart with their bare hands.

Any colonies would probably need to share with the Nynye not a bad idea neither mind.

And yeah an anti psyker force would be very nice.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Why this when we have the upcoming chaos upgrade incoming?

Me thinks we want to rip that bandaid off quick.


Also I'd want to keep this off until we see what we get out of the Norn Queen.

It'd be dumb to get something that could upgrade this action, and then not be able to do it because we're busy doing the thunder warriors.
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The action is long enough that any bonuses from the queen will apply when we finish the first flaw action.
 
Adventwolf said:
The action is long enough that any bonuses from the queen will apply when we finish the first flaw action.
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Not when we can't actually do them.

Any bonuses from the queen will likely require follow up actions to put into practises, its all very well Max gaining the theoretical understanding to improve his understanding of psycic genetics, but he'll likely need time to test it study it and put it into effect, which he can't do if his slot is taken up with Thunder Warriors.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Not when we can't actually do them.

Any bonuses from the queen will likely require follow up actions to put into practises, its all very well Max gaining the theoretical understanding to improve his understanding of psycic genetics, but he'll likely need time to test it study it and put it into effect, which he can't do if his slot is taken up with Thunder Warriors.
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It's not like we could use the free action on a biologist action with the way I have things planned.

edit sorry about being sarcastic
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
Not when we can't actually do them.

Any bonuses from the queen will likely require follow up actions to put into practises, its all very well Max gaining the theoretical understanding to improve his understanding of psycic genetics, but he'll likely need time to test it study it and put it into effect, which he can't do if his slot is taken up with Thunder Warriors.
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psycic genetics won't do anything. The Thunder Warriors are all completely genetic engineering only. We are looking to fix those issues from the overload so they don't rip themselves apart from the augmentations.
 
Nurgle said:
It's not like we could use the free action on a biologist action with the way I have things planned.

edit sorry about being sarcastic
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I see no sarcasim, its a valid point, I'd merely note that there's a very good reason that action is practically slaved to Fabicator general, we need that infrastructure.

Adventwolf said:
psycic genetics won't do anything. The Thunder Warriors are all completely genetic engineering only. We are looking to fix those issues from the overload so they don't rip themselves apart from the augmentations.
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Conventional genetic engineering then, the nids are more advanced in both categories by...well the level of a species able to take on a level 30+ species.
 
Nurgle said:
[] Plan Nrugle T139

Munitorum [2 Years]
Slot A:
Y5: Recruit: Helltroopers

Void Command [6 Years, 6 Years - Construct]
Slot A [Construct]:
Y1: Repair

Slot B:
Y1: Naval Lessons Learned Hive Fleet Grábakr - Repeat until Success
Y3: Combine Shipyards: Huge - EXPEDITE

Adminstratum [5 Years, 4 Years]
Slot A [5 Years]
Y2: Expand (Lonely Citadel) to Small Hive
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 2

Slot B [4 Years]
Y3: Bloom Bee Investigations


Diplomacy [6 Years]
Y1: Put the Ancient One and the Eldar/Krork in contact, so he can help with the Krork's endless Waagh.
Y2: Ear to the Ground (Dragon's Nest merger details)
Y3: Ear to the Ground (Asgard's new governor)
Y4: Ask the Nynye about the Underhive Idea*
Y5: Lizardmen Diplomacy (Saurus) - New Trade, Details below**
Y6: Ask the Eldar about the Black Imperium, as well as Operation Hecatoncheir results.

We need to do ear to the ground twice to get everything. These is going to be one of the most important things
I think the troll idea is not worth it since they have nothing to offer us and will be exposed to human technology, which will piss off the Conservatives. It is in my opinion not worth it.
**New Saurus Trade:
+Low Artifact Shield (Tamia, Rakes, Vizier (Rosalinda) and Adminstratum (Isaac) positions***)
+Low Artifact Shield/Weapons (Odysseus)
-Return Dead heroes' Artifacts (Syr's Artifact Weapon and Shield, Sir Pellinore's Shield)

New Credits: Saurus owe us 3,530 Credits

***If they die the artifacts go to their successor.

Arbites [6 Years, 6 Years]
Slot A
Y1:Thunder Hunters: Set Up
- - EXPEDITAE YEAR 1
Y6: Integrate Lizardmen
Slot B
Y1-6: Greater Psyker Hunting
We can integrate the th thuder warriors faster and have them started this turn. Frankly with Jane new traits I only think a alpha or Alpha plus an threaten her.

Mechanicus [4 Years - Explorator, 4 Years - Any, 1 Year - Biologis]
Slot A - Explorator
Year 3-6: Another

Slot B - Any, Fabricator-General
Year 3-6: Another
Slot C - Biologis
Year 6: Fixing the The Flaws of Thunder: Part One
Again I want enough exploration ships so we can explore the north without risking our army. We have no need urgnet need for titan design since we can only build one right now, or a urgent need for more EM. Also I want to get stated on fixing the thunder warriors becasue if we can stabilize them that is a long term elite warriors we can use. As it is they start to degrade after 50 years.

Telepathica [6 Years - Ridcully, 6 Years - Xavier, 2 Years - Tamia]

Slot A - Ridcully
Y1: Greater Divination (Void Dragon's Plans)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
Y2: Greater Divination (Where Lion went)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
Y3: Focused Divination (Trust Mechanicus Conservatives - Civil War timing)
Y5: Research: Destructive Resonances (Nurgle)
- - DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5

Slot B - Xavier
Y1: Royal Alkahestry

Slot C - Tamia
Y5: Anti-Blood God Powers: Countering
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5

Slot D - Free Greater Divination (Ridcully)
Y?: Free Greater Divination (Sanguinius)

The antichaos powers are more importaant than random research of things. Lets try to finish someof the psyker tech tree branches we have.

Personal [6 Years, 6 Years, 5 Years]

Slot A
Y1: Spend Time with Tormod ( see how he is doing and discuss him settling down as a option and if he has anyone in mind.)
Y2-6: Tutor Tormod ( Military strategy and Administrion, go into detail how logistics are important to war)
Slot B (Personal Attention)
Y1: Recruit (PDF)


Slot C (Personal Attention)
Y2:Lessons Learned: Hive Fleet Grabakr - REPEAT UNTIL SUCCESS
Y4: Implement (Bolehs Spider)

here is my updated protplan as always i welcome critic if you explain why.
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I'd feel much safer if the drop one or two Psyker Hunts for Counter Intel. Even though we just forced the Alpha Legion to burn many assets it's best to say ahead of the game when it comes to them.
 
Ok anyone care about the trolls plan?
Anyone against my mother shops spam? I am for it so we can get to the penguins faster and don't have to send our army to mauled in the north when it recovers.
 
Nurgle said:
Ok anyone care about the trolls plan?
Anyone against my mother shops spam? I am for it so we can get to the penguins faster and don't have to send our army to mauled in the north when it recovers.
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As I said on discord we have enough time to get them all and go north with them without sacrificing Fundamentals time.

Fundamentals I strongly believe that we should be spending on Psychic Canons.
 
Nurgle said:
Ok anyone care about the trolls plan?
Anyone against my mother shops spam? I am for it so we can get to the penguins faster and don't have to send our army to mauled in the north when it recovers.
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i'm rather against giving a race that lives in our backyard, and likes the same kinds of city sites as we do enough tech to start taking up those city sites, without getting a lot out of it.
 
Nurgle said:
Ok anyone care about the trolls plan?
Anyone against my mother shops spam? I am for it so we can get to the penguins faster and don't have to send our army to mauled in the north when it recovers.
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I'm all for spamming them motherships, I'm not up for reducing our relationship with the Trust at all, we have a very important council meeting coming up.
 
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