The Eldar have orders of magnitude more ships than us so by that metric their ships are far more expendable than ours. Of course for the galaxy as a whole the Trust itself and every person in it bar perhaps Ridiculy is expendable so it depends what metric one uses.
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The Eldar have orders of magnitude more ships than us so by that metric their ships are far more expendable than ours. Of course for the galaxy as a whole the Trust itself and every person in it bar perhaps Ridiculy is expendable so it depends what metric one uses.
Doomed Wombat
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Planatary defence ships, no warp ships, those are off stopping the other two attacks with the rest of Landeer's ships.
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I feel like we've done pretty badly in space when given command, except for that one Necron fight in which we found something clever to do we've always just harassed them on the way in, then committed heavily to holding the orbital defences, even when taking the extra losses wasn't the optimum decision.
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Had a thought i felt i should put out there.
Killing the maw ships makes our orbital defenses much more effective.
Killing the maw ships makes our orbital defenses much more effective.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
I am decided.
[] Autarch Landeer- Better overall admiral, get better use of your Eldar warships
Because the majority of this void battle will be done through harassment, and because during said harassment Rotbart would have to split his attention between the void and the planet.
[] Autarch Landeer- Better overall admiral, get better use of your Eldar warships
Because the majority of this void battle will be done through harassment, and because during said harassment Rotbart would have to split his attention between the void and the planet.
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Resistance level is how hard the fleet will try to prevent Tyranids from reaching the planet in the first place, Harassment level is how hard the fleet will, well, harass the enemy once they do reach the orbit.
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So, on target selection harassment against Maw and Nodes (relatively easy to hit and should degrade performance in the stand at orbital defenses), followed by targeting generalists and heavy ships in the stand (weakening then against follow-up harassment and taking their best assets off the board at our only good opportunity to do so)? Follow up harassment should be able to take out the 'hidden' nodes in lighter assets as well, providing we succeed in degrading their anti-harassment capabilities enough...
Enerael
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[] Autarch Landeer- Better overall admiral, get better use of your Eldar warships
Both to avoid splitting Rotbarts attention, and because the majority of void combat in my plan will be done by Eldar ships.
[] Low- Make a fighting retreat from the orbitals as soon as the enemy gets into range, leaving your defences to cover the retreat. This will preserve your fleet and inflict some damage to the Tyranid Fleet.
Our fleet is entirely Eldar here. They are worth much more in harassment then pitched battles. Let's save them up for that. It will result in stronger Nids at the beginning, which will be nasty, but we can compensate with poisons, and this siege will last a while, while they do not tire. Gotta think longer term here I think. Also, we have more cruiser class and below weight ships than the enemy, gotta leverage that.
[] Initial: Generalist ships-Generalist ships able to preform well in any situation make up the majority of the Tyranid Fleet, and will be key to their ability to counter your harassment.
As primary. To set up for the harassment.
[] Initial: Heavy Ships- The Hive Ships and Super Hive Ships are the most powerful vessels in the Tyranid Fleet and the majority of the Synaptic Network, taking them out will be challenging but have the most effect on the Tyranid combat power.
[] Initial: Synaptic Nodes- The Tyranids rely on their Synaptic Network for pretty much everything, concentrating your fire on it is considered standard practice for a reason.
Either for secondary. Former would result in fewer ground combat warforms, latter in, if I understand it correctly, lower Nid performance in everything. From ground through pitched battle to harassment. I lean towards the heavies.
[] Heavy- Be willing to accept repeated major clashes and only just favorable exchange rates. - This will inflict major damage at the cost of your fleets suffering heavy losses and being unable participate in the final battle.
This battle will decide the war. Our losses so far have not been bad, so the last one next year where we can concentrate our everything left seems pretty safe.
[] Final : Heavy Ships- The Hive Ships and Super Hive Ships are the most powerful vessels in the Tyranid Fleet and the majority of the Synaptic Network, taking them out will be challenging but have the most effect on the Tyranid combat power.
Definitely. This will be won or lost on the ground.
[] Final : Generalist ships-Generalist ships able to preform well in any situation make up the majority of the Tyranid Fleet, and will be key to their ability to counter your harassment.
For secondary. To make harassment even more effective.
Maw ships are only an issue for the initial combat until they take orbit, while the majority of void combat will be harassment action. As such, focusing them down would be short sighted, we can not keep the orbits, no sense to try.
[] Plan Long Haul
-[] Autarch Landeer- Better overall admiral, get better use of your Eldar warships
-[] Low- Make a fighting retreat from the orbitals as soon as the enemy gets into range, leaving your defences to cover the retreat. This will preserve your fleet and inflict some damage to the Tyranid Fleet.
-[] Primary- Initial: Generalist ships-Generalist ships able to preform well in any situation make up the majority of the Tyranid Fleet, and will be key to their ability to counter your harassment.
-[] Secondary- Initial: Synaptic Nodes- The Tyranids rely on their Synaptic Network for pretty much everything, concentrating your fire on it is considered standard practice for a reason.
-[] Heavy- Be willing to accept repeated major clashes and only just favorable exchange rates. - This will inflict major damage at the cost of your fleets suffering heavy losses and being unable participate in the final battle.
-[] Primary- Final : Heavy Ships- The Hive Ships and Super Hive Ships are the most powerful vessels in the Tyranid Fleet and the majority of the Synaptic Network, taking them out will be challenging but have the most effect on the Tyranid combat power.
-[] Secondary- Final : Generalist ships-Generalist ships able to preform well in any situation make up the majority of the Tyranid Fleet, and will be key to their ability to counter your harassment.
Thoughts?
Edit: Use Nynye poison as soon as an opportunity presents itself to take out maximum Heavies. Not sure if that has to be part of the plan.
Both to avoid splitting Rotbarts attention, and because the majority of void combat in my plan will be done by Eldar ships.
[] Low- Make a fighting retreat from the orbitals as soon as the enemy gets into range, leaving your defences to cover the retreat. This will preserve your fleet and inflict some damage to the Tyranid Fleet.
Our fleet is entirely Eldar here. They are worth much more in harassment then pitched battles. Let's save them up for that. It will result in stronger Nids at the beginning, which will be nasty, but we can compensate with poisons, and this siege will last a while, while they do not tire. Gotta think longer term here I think. Also, we have more cruiser class and below weight ships than the enemy, gotta leverage that.
[] Initial: Generalist ships-Generalist ships able to preform well in any situation make up the majority of the Tyranid Fleet, and will be key to their ability to counter your harassment.
As primary. To set up for the harassment.
[] Initial: Heavy Ships- The Hive Ships and Super Hive Ships are the most powerful vessels in the Tyranid Fleet and the majority of the Synaptic Network, taking them out will be challenging but have the most effect on the Tyranid combat power.
[] Initial: Synaptic Nodes- The Tyranids rely on their Synaptic Network for pretty much everything, concentrating your fire on it is considered standard practice for a reason.
Either for secondary. Former would result in fewer ground combat warforms, latter in, if I understand it correctly, lower Nid performance in everything. From ground through pitched battle to harassment. I lean towards the heavies.
[] Heavy- Be willing to accept repeated major clashes and only just favorable exchange rates. - This will inflict major damage at the cost of your fleets suffering heavy losses and being unable participate in the final battle.
This battle will decide the war. Our losses so far have not been bad, so the last one next year where we can concentrate our everything left seems pretty safe.
[] Final : Heavy Ships- The Hive Ships and Super Hive Ships are the most powerful vessels in the Tyranid Fleet and the majority of the Synaptic Network, taking them out will be challenging but have the most effect on the Tyranid combat power.
Definitely. This will be won or lost on the ground.
[] Final : Generalist ships-Generalist ships able to preform well in any situation make up the majority of the Tyranid Fleet, and will be key to their ability to counter your harassment.
For secondary. To make harassment even more effective.
Maw ships are only an issue for the initial combat until they take orbit, while the majority of void combat will be harassment action. As such, focusing them down would be short sighted, we can not keep the orbits, no sense to try.
[] Plan Long Haul
-[] Autarch Landeer- Better overall admiral, get better use of your Eldar warships
-[] Low- Make a fighting retreat from the orbitals as soon as the enemy gets into range, leaving your defences to cover the retreat. This will preserve your fleet and inflict some damage to the Tyranid Fleet.
-[] Primary- Initial: Generalist ships-Generalist ships able to preform well in any situation make up the majority of the Tyranid Fleet, and will be key to their ability to counter your harassment.
-[] Secondary- Initial: Synaptic Nodes- The Tyranids rely on their Synaptic Network for pretty much everything, concentrating your fire on it is considered standard practice for a reason.
-[] Heavy- Be willing to accept repeated major clashes and only just favorable exchange rates. - This will inflict major damage at the cost of your fleets suffering heavy losses and being unable participate in the final battle.
-[] Primary- Final : Heavy Ships- The Hive Ships and Super Hive Ships are the most powerful vessels in the Tyranid Fleet and the majority of the Synaptic Network, taking them out will be challenging but have the most effect on the Tyranid combat power.
-[] Secondary- Final : Generalist ships-Generalist ships able to preform well in any situation make up the majority of the Tyranid Fleet, and will be key to their ability to counter your harassment.
Thoughts?
Edit: Use Nynye poison as soon as an opportunity presents itself to take out maximum Heavies. Not sure if that has to be part of the plan.
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If we are trying to preserve as much of our fleets as we can, which was part of our goal for this war and why we didn't just choose to face the 'nids in fleet combat only then we shouldn't go for heavy harrasment, it's too damaging for us, we don't need a pyrrhic victory that harms our long term safety.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
This is incorrect. For one, these are Eldar ships entirely, none of ours. For another, harassment, much less by the Eldar, has far better exchange rates than pitched battle generally (part of why the Eldar do it), thus heavy harassment will result in less losses overall when our fleets arrive to finish them off.
Doomed Wombat
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The Eldar are also going to be contributing to the defence of the other worlds in the other two raids no reason to be careless with them though.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
Not these Eldar, outside of the survivors helping out next year over the last planet attacked.
Which will have all the Y2 ships, and all the undamaged ones from this year fighting there, and so far we our losses have been OK, resulting in more ships there than were defending either of our worlds in Y2, against the same enemy strength.
Doomed Wombat
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So lets not damage them uncessarily and send as many home as possible.
Enerael
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This I can fully agree with, we would not be spending their lives lightly. To not be willing to spend them though would be to insult them. And our own troops, that we value xeno over humans so much...
Doomed Wombat
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No it means we're taking them seriously like we take our own people seriously and want to win as best as possible.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
I am treating them exactly as I am treating our own people. I was only addressing the long term concern of minimizing our naval losses, which is irrelevant in this case. Not saying to use them as expendable fodder.
If it was our own ships I would have done the same (if they were as good at harassment as Eldar ones).
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During our last battle in space with command we actually massacred the forces of Chaos Mechanicus.
Enerael
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Not to my knowledge, not against these Nids.
In general against less galaxy threatening foes, getting them wiped out without a good reason would have some effect, yes, if I recall correctly.
With a single torpedo alpha strike. It was awesome yet anticlimactic at the same time. It was great.
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It wasn't quite just a single alpha strike. Just that the strike was successful enough to completely disorganize their formations, which meant that they were an easy pickings for our light forces attacks.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
True. A massive partially psykery ECM attack combined with an "obviously" impossible number of torpedoes resulted is a massive numbers of blown up ships and utterly disrupted formation, and then our lighter elements went in. And we send our entire fleet to charge them for good measure if I recall correctly.
They did an emergency warp jump when they realized what's happening, which took a bit due to that ECM. From within a gravity well.
I don't think that the Trust ever had a void battle with anything approaching that days ship exchange ratio, not even close. Not before or since.
