The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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so here is what i am thinking how about we use 1 Honourbound Favor form the Imperium Secondus to get a massive amount resources for every world in The Imperial Trust so they can rebuild and expand after this war and then use a 1 Honourbound Favor form the Eldar to destroy the 2 chaos forge worlds and raid the rest of Regional Powers to weakening even more
We don't need the honour bounds for that.

We got resources its build time that is the problem.

And the region is already devestated by the orks and tyranids.
They were fighting without Cawl around until recently and now have Robo Smurf. We can take Cawl away from them so he can finish Primaris and defuse them back into the Secondus and other sane polities. It'll be sub optimal for the Secondus in the short term but at the end they'll have Primaris Marines in addition to the Trueborn Smurfs Corax must be working on now.

Even though we'd be taking Cawl the Secondus will still benefit.
The argument there is that unless the Destroyer is killed then that need is never going to end and they were managing without him before.

However, I do understand the sentiment.
I know.

They've already got true born ultras I believe.
 
The argument there is that unless the Destroyer is killed then that need is never going to end and they were managing without him before.

However, I do understand the sentiment.
Secundus is currently losing. Until they start winning, they need all the help they can get.

Also, its not like Cawl has to be present there to make a difference, he would improve Space Marine production, fix some geneseed mutations, be there when they learn how to make Trueborn, etc.

I am currently thinking of asking for him after the timeskip. Unless Secundus continues losing, that should be enough time for him to get the low hanging fruit there done.

so here is what i am thinking how about we use 1 Honourbound Favor form the Imperium Secondus to get a massive amount resources for every world in The Imperial Trust so they can rebuild and expand after this war and then use a 1 Honourbound Favor form the Eldar to destroy the 2 chaos forge worlds and raid the rest of Regional Powers to weakening even more.
Transporting such massive amounts of resources from so far away would require spending additional favors with the Eldar to transport them, and resources are not our bottlenecks besides. Not to mention that they are fighting a currently losing war against an enemy of all life, and we are not.

We have far better use for the Eldar Honorbound, not to mention that one Major should be enough to accomplish this. It would immediately put us on Black Imperiums radar though, such a thing would not be subtle.

We are not threatened currently by our neighbors, and might not be for centuries with our merger with Dragons Nest, our tech, and our rate of growth.

For a Major Eldar favor we could buy improved warp drive tech. Far more valuable for everyone sane in the galaxy. We haven't done this yet because it would raise Admech unrest, which we can not afford right now.
 
Secundus is currently losing. Until they start winning, they need all the help they can get.

Also, its not like Cawl has to be present there to make a difference, he would improve Space Marine production, fix some geneseed mutations, be there when they learn how to make Trueborn, etc.

I am currently thinking of asking for him after the timeskip. Unless Secundus continues losing, that should be enough time for him to get the low hanging fruit there done.
Wouldn't getting Primaris super ahead of schedule be worth not having Cawl right now?
 
Secundus is currently losing. Until they start winning, they need all the help they can get.

Also, its not like Cawl has to be present there to make a difference, he would improve Space Marine production, fix some geneseed mutations, be there when they learn how to make Trueborn, etc.

I am currently thinking of asking for him after the timeskip. Unless Secundus continues losing, that should be enough time for him to get the low hanging fruit there done.
Secundus is likely to never stop loosing, its a question of how slowly they lose.

I mean he kinda does.

Aside from accelerating production there isn't too much for him to do though.

What low hanging fruits? There's very little aside from accelerating production. He can likely learn how to true born very fast if he's not done so already.

He probably worked on most of it as soon as he heard the Trust was going to try.
+ the hard work is already done.

Trueborn are ready he just needs to start chopping bobby G up.
 
So correct me if I'm wrong, but right now we have a single Honorbound from the Eldar and two Honorbounds from Secondus, and we have two GDs until we get another minor Eldar favor, and we might get a major Eldar favor if Hecatoncheir goes well, right?
 
Wouldn't getting Primaris super ahead of schedule be worth not having Cawl right now?
Not while they are losing. They need to at least hold the line before they have the luxury of long term, possibly war winning projects.

Primaris will not be done quickly. Consider our TW tweaking actions, a far lesser project.

Secundus is likely to never stop loosing, its a question of how slowly they lose.

I mean he kinda does.

Aside from accelerating production there isn't too much for him to do though.

What low hanging fruits? There's very little aside from accelerating production. He can likely learn how to true born very fast if he's not done so already.
I expect them to hold the line once RoboSmurf comes online. Otherwise we might as well write them off.

There is a lot for him to do. Fixing geneseed mutations, teaching how to make Custodes gear and other lost tech, better screening methods for geneseed candidates (likely one per geneline needed), etc.
 
And if the Eldar destroy the 2 chaos forge worlds and raid the rest of Regional Powers it might make them collapse into small Chaos Realms
They're already small chaos realms. One is flat out gone, another is on life support, and the rest are completely battered from the orks.

It is not needed considering one of the forge worlds is mostly dead already.

Primaris will not be done quickly. Consider our TW tweaking actions, a far lesser project.
Its already mostly done, its the last part that needs to be done.

I'd be surprised if it was actually over fairly quick.

There is a lot for him to do. Fixing geneseed mutations, teaching how to make Custodes gear and other lost tech, better screening methods for geneseed candidates (likely one per geneline needed), etc.
Not needed since there are very few serious ones (Ultramarine geneseed it doesn't really mutate) doesn't know how to do he's a geneticist not an artificer, just needs to teach them (he invented them all, most people already use his methods.)
 
Not while they are losing. They need to at least hold the line before they have the luxury of long term, possibly war winning projects.

Primaris will not be done quickly. Consider our TW tweaking actions, a far lesser project.
Primaris should make them lose even slower due to their reliance on elites. Hopefully long enough that in conjunction with Robo Smurf and Trueborn for them to jury rig the Blackstone Fortress. Guilliman is the big deal for the IS, Cawl is a bonus.

As DW said he's almost done with Primaris anyhow, he's just missing (warpy) variables for the last few things. Variables he can acquire on Avernus rather than continuing to beat a square peg in a round hole.
 
which one is flat out gone? i think the one on life support is United Sectors of Amir-Ka and the ones that are completely battered is The More'lumix's Realm and The Princedom of Assour
More'lumix is completely gone, it disintegrated with More'lumix's death and has been ripped appart by the orks.

Amir-Ka is only active still cause Washington and Atlas are active, but they're so completely battered they're basically a non entity.
 
is that not kinda bad as the The Princedom of Assour is the most powerful chaos domain in our region of space and it has not lost any worlds only most of its army and navy. so when they rebuild them, they will be the only true power that can conquer the rest of the region as the other powers can keep them in check?
 
is that not kinda bad as the The Princedom of Assour is the most powerful chaos domain in our region of space and it has not lost any worlds only most of its army and navy. so when they rebuild them, they will be the only true power that can conquer the rest of the region as the other powers can keep them in check?
Ah, but now he's got to deal with the fact that he's covered in thousands of random chaos lords.

Chaos lords who will likely rip him appart now that he's weak as ****.
 
is that not kinda bad as the The Princedom of Assour is the most powerful chaos domain in our region of space and it has not lost any worlds only most of its army and navy. so when they rebuild them, they will be the only true power that can conquer the rest of the region as the other powers can keep them in check?
They still probably won't be able to expand as quickly as we will, and even if they do they wouldn't present an existential threat, given that the Imperial Trust would still have superior tech. IIRC, the Princedom of Assour has pretty weak industry, which in addition to internal power struggles will probably handicap their expansion considerably.

Amir-Ka is essentially reduced to two intact worlds, and while both have powerful industry they don't have the resources or population to fuel it. At this point, against the hundreds of worlds and significantly larger and more advanced industrial base under the control of the Imperial Trust and the Dragon's Nest, they stand no chance.

If either faction did pose a threat we could use a major favour or something to help tip the balance in our favour. Using an Honourbound favour to exterminate them would be unnecessary. Honourbound favours would be better used for stuff that makes the different between life and death, or which presents a game-changing opportunity for us. If Abbadon notices us and tries to conquer us, then that's the time we want to use an Honourbound favour or two.
 
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I feel like if we want Primaris Astartes faster, we should send Maximal to Cawl for a while. Cawl is stumped on psychic Biology, and Maximal just critted his last psychic studies roll.
 
I feel like if we want Primaris Astartes faster, we should send Maximal to Cawl for a while.
I would NOT support this at all.

I'm not willing to basically drop all biologist-research for who knows how many DECADES when the person we are sending is extremely unlikely to be of much help to Cawl anyway.

Cawl has around 20, TWENTY more learning then Maximus (I'm pretty sure he only has 30 afterall) AND its his focus.

oh, and Cawl undoubtedly has a half-dozen magnus (who likely are used to working with him anyway, and are already there) already supporting him anyway so he will decrease the timer by, like, 2 years.

so not worth it.
 
I would NOT support this at all.

I'm not willing to basically drop all biologist-research for who knows how many DECADES when the person we are sending is extremely unlikely to be of much help to Cawl anyway.

Cawl has around 20, TWENTY more learning then Maximus (I'm pretty sure he only has 30 afterall) AND its his focus.

oh, and Cawl undoubtedly has a half-dozen magnus (who likely are used to working with him anyway, and are already there) already supporting him anyway so he will decrease the timer by, like, 2 years.

so not worth it.
He's got 34, so close to twenty yeah. However Maximal does have the Psychic geneticist trait. Which gives +50 when dealing with any psychic creatures. If that applies to Astartes, that could be extremely helpful for Cawl's rolls, especially since he doesn't have any knowledge/experience of warp genetics, something Maximal is actually good at. There is a chance his trait gets upgraded this coming turn too, after that crit on the Psychic Genes Part II he got.
 
He's got 34, so close to twenty yeah. However Maximal does have the Psychic geneticist trait. Which gives +50 when dealing with any psychic creatures. If that applies to Astartes, that could be extremely helpful for Cawl's rolls, especially since he doesn't have any knowledge/experience of warp genetics, something Maximal is actually good at. There is a chance his trait gets upgraded this coming turn too, after that crit on the Psychic Genes Part II he got.
ok, so he might drop the timer a bit more then 2 years.

....but...we would still, as I said before, lose out on DECADES of his research. The primaris astartes would be nice, but its still not worth it even BEFORE considering that we would have to spend a bunch resources on actually implementing the new techniques anyway.

still very, very far from worth it.
 
It does.

Like for all that his learning isn't very high (by paragon standards) he's specialised into an incredibly rare discipline.
Yeah, that trait gave him +6 learning. if that gets upgraded to skilled psychic geneticist or the like, it might go up to +8-9 and +75 or higher. (thought hopefully it wouldn't lower piety further) Something that would make him even more useful to Cawl.


ok, so he might drop the timer a bit more then 2 years.

....but...we would still, as I said before, lose out on DECADES of his research. The primaris astartes would be nice, but its still not worth it even BEFORE considering that we would have to spend a bunch resources on actually implementing the new techniques anyway.

still very, very far from worth it.
We don't know how long it would take, or how long maximal going there would reduce the timer by. Without that knowledge we can't make much by way of a decision. So, has anyone asked Durin how long it would take, or how much Maximal could help?
 
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