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I think it's telling that the region with no central command did better than Amir Ka seems to be doing.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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If we get Guilliman to wake up, could we get more Geneseed for Astartes? While our Astartes are certainly nothing to write home about, they are still a force to be reckoned with. That also counts for all other Primarchs, what would we have to trade them for some extra Geneseed, if ours isn't enough to make more Astartes?
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No.
Our astartes already have all the geneseed they need and more, the problem is increasing skill level which will apparently only take a century assuming no massive casulties, Guiliman needs his progenoids to start producing Trueborn marines, assuming he can get that tech without giving away the secret.
We won't be getting astartes from the other primarchs, since it would be rather obvious that we have connections with them if we suddenly sprout highly distinctive Salamander, Space Wolf, Raven Guard and White Scar descended chapters out of no where.
No geneseed for us, we don't need it and its not safe.
At what point is getting say Trueborn Astartes going to be worth people knowing that we have connections to the Quartus Imperium? Like, at what point will we be strong enough that it won't ruin us for that to be known?
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It's not a matter of worth it, its a matter of quite literally impossible,
Trueborn can only be made with additional parts taken from a primarch, no primarch no additional parts no true born marines.
If we get a Primarch then we can get true born marines, but there are no primarchs available unless anyone wants to negociate with Trayzn to have him release Fulgrim.
Would we not be able to negotiate with the Quartus Imperium for them to send a seed chapter to us or the like? Or do you have to keep taking bits out of a Primarch for True Born?
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The latter as I understand it so yeah no negociating.
We could get seed for regular marines of the respective primarch's geneline, which would be nice, but a big give away.
You know... considering the specimens we have available, that may not be as crazy as it sounds.
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I'd agree with you, but unfortunately the Silent King has apparently stepped on his throat to try and ensure that dangerous things don't get to leave his collection without his say so.You know... considering the specimens we have available, that may not be as crazy as it sounds.
And apparently he's ordered Trayzn to destroy some of the more dangerous exhibits, which likely included the last Slann in the galaxy following the Krork's break out.
Then of course there's the problem of Avernus hates Necrons so...getting anything impressive enough to be worth a primarch's probably a non starter.
Is there any point at which we'd actually be able to survive an attack from any of the big powers, or should we plan on that never actually happening? Like, this thread is supposed to be ending soon, and we'll be switching off to a new thread with a different name. And that'll just be the start of the 2nd 3rd of this overall story/quest. Are we just going to consistently be a background character in the overall story of the galaxy, or is it planned for us to at some point matter to some degree?
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Lets put that one down as a probably not, given that Trayzn is in all likelyhood a transcendent himself of far more considerable age (or if not transcendent at least an extremely high paragon whose had 60 million years to make his stuff nigh on unstealable.)
uuuuuuhhh...yeah probably?
I mean we're much more important than Durin expected us to be thanks to Ridcully and Lin alone, we've affected change on a vast scale, given major boosts to the big three and are advancing the rate of humanities psycic research at a pace which can best be described as metioric.
But, whether or not the trust itself will become major...
The hiding strategy was flawed from the start, so the plan after the region has calmed the heck down is to expand like crazy. Best case scenario we'll become the major human power of Pacifus, but who knows what Durin's original intent and long term planning is.
Though to answer if we are likely to survive someone like Abaddon deciding he wants us dead no we are not...he's kinda OP like that.
So looking at the sheets 39 worlds were hit and 31 were lost to the tryanids. Allied forces had 4 losses and it looks like it will be 5 years instead of 10 to continue fighting. However it seems we have bought ourself time to do things we need like Tryanids frequencies.
Our best defense is that the trust is located in a place of no importance, and no major resources, no travel routes... etc. so no true born marines, no Deus Ex ships, pretty much nothing that brings notice. We are about a years travel for chaos away from the eye of terror let's not become something they want to crush. Which they can do easily do if the Imperium wants to. We are just lucky that disaster after disaster is laying waste to them keeping them busy.
Our best defense is that the trust is located in a place of no importance, and no major resources, no travel routes... etc. so no true born marines, no Deus Ex ships, pretty much nothing that brings notice. We are about a years travel for chaos away from the eye of terror let's not become something they want to crush. Which they can do easily do if the Imperium wants to. We are just lucky that disaster after disaster is laying waste to them keeping them busy.
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Maybe Avernus nabbed a Primarch back in 30k. It seems like the sort of thing that the planet would be interested in.You know... considering the specimens we have available, that may not be as crazy as it sounds.
Aren't Slann supposed to be unable to naturally reproduce? If so they're essentially a non-threat on the galactic scale.I'd agree with you, but unfortunately the Silent King has apparently stepped on his throat to try and ensure that dangerous things don't get to leave his collection without his say so.
And apparently he's ordered Trayzn to destroy some of the more dangerous exhibits, which likely included the last Slann in the galaxy following the Krork's break out.
Then of course there's the problem of Avernus hates Necrons so...getting anything impressive enough to be worth a primarch's probably a non starter.
They might be on the 'don't bother destroying' list.
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Doomed Wombat
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We dunno how the Slann work here, maybe they know how to make more of themselves.
Regardless they're the Necrons old enemies from the War in Heaven, if any got back to Avernus then the 60 million year old war would be over and the Slann would likely have organised the Lizardmen to start helping out across the galaxy, likely opening up the Old One weapons that Durin implied they had hanging around.
Thankfully they're not gaining any biomass, so we've still trimmed them down a bit.
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And if the fleets of Amir Ka break quickly enough we will have time to manually sterilise their worlds.
Also, wondering something: new Tyranid doctrine leaves them with a strictly limited ground unit cap determined by their fleet size, if they deploy most of that groundside could boarding actions become less suicidal than usual?
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1.We earlier asked if we could direct the Tyranid splinter fleets away from the Trust by strategic exterminatus and you said it would be possible but would let them rampage without anyone likely being able to stop them. But now we've been made aware of Abbadon sending heavy forces after all splinter fleets could we not reexamine the strategy of diverting the Tyranids to avoid not only them but also the Black Crusade elements?
1.We earlier asked if we could direct the Tyranid splinter fleets away from the Trust by strategic exterminatus and you said it would be possible but would let them rampage without anyone likely being able to stop them. But now we've been made aware of Abbadon sending heavy forces after all splinter fleets could we not reexamine the strategy of diverting the Tyranids to avoid not only them but also the Black Crusade elements?
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Syr is not the successor. She was being trained as one of the possible replacements not the only one.
Enerael
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We should mention Tranths research into shipbuilding technologies. That has long lasting strategic implications.
Do they know about our plan to heal Papa Smurf?
The Huge Forge Hive expansion is probably worth a mention. Once we finish either of the two next level Cathedrals there our production of high tech will jump massively.
Negotiating the peaceful end of a war older than the human race might interest them?
The Destructive Frequencies research is probably a Big Deal.
Anti-hivemind psyker power could also be.
Do they know about our plan to heal Papa Smurf?
The Huge Forge Hive expansion is probably worth a mention. Once we finish either of the two next level Cathedrals there our production of high tech will jump massively.
Negotiating the peaceful end of a war older than the human race might interest them?
The Destructive Frequencies research is probably a Big Deal.
Anti-hivemind psyker power could also be.
It's sad that we lost Freyr. I had thought our fleets sufficiently concentrated that we wouldn't be in danger of losing any battle, and just ground down by attrition over time.
I find it a bit odd the Tyranids haven't changed up their fleets. They split their fleet into 50 roughly even units to start with. So it seems odd that those units are now acting essentially independently, keeping all production to themselves and staying in their current arrangements. I would have expected them to split off new fleets.
With the state of our fleets and the remaining splinters, we can probably only engage 3 of them next round without the risk being too high. So they'll start growing again at that point.
Though looking at the sheet I'm a bit confused, because we were supposed to be hitting 8 targets, but we have 9 listed on the second wave column.
I find it a bit odd the Tyranids haven't changed up their fleets. They split their fleet into 50 roughly even units to start with. So it seems odd that those units are now acting essentially independently, keeping all production to themselves and staying in their current arrangements. I would have expected them to split off new fleets.
With the state of our fleets and the remaining splinters, we can probably only engage 3 of them next round without the risk being too high. So they'll start growing again at that point.
Though looking at the sheet I'm a bit confused, because we were supposed to be hitting 8 targets, but we have 9 listed on the second wave column.
No one cares about research till we finish it. We are the only ones who care about Xenos. Everyone else is apathetic. The forge hive falls under admech expansion and not done. It just seems like bragging talking about things that are not done, which is a problem since Avernus arrogance is annoying to the others.
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On the plus side we might have killed the nid dreadnaught.
So that's good.
So that's good.
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Thranth hasn't finished anything and even if he did we still need to take actions to actually improve the levels of production we get out of shipyards. That is what fundamental research does it gives us the option to make improvements not give improvements itself.
The plan is known but there is nothing they can add or do about it so it is not worth mentioning it.
The Huge Hive is a Admech thing not ours. If Scott didn't bring it up then it is not worth mentioning.
The negotiations is a Avernite thing as in the Trust doesn't care and they have the committee they made to look over this stuff reporting to the council.
You do not tell anyone about the frequency research. That stuff is a major danger and not something that you bring up in a public forum such as the meeting. They are also not something that will he advertised.
The Psyker power is not even started so it is worthless to bring up. We also do not know if it will even work.
Given the unexpected opposition, they may be avoiding splintering further to avoid defeat in detail. Bigger fleets would have a better shot at winning and overwhelming the defenders.
Also, good news - they lost their Dreadnought.
@Durin, had Atlas been hit yet?
Next turn Atlas gets hit, I asked already.
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