The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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He basically flew in at the last moment and tipped the scales a bit instead of fighting against an ungodly huge army of Daemons for like a day including against some of Khorne's biggest names. Compared to the other eleven, who by then had been getting pounded by the Avatar of Khorne, Arha the Murderer was basically 100% fresh.
I didn't think I could hate him anymore than I already did.
 
Well aside from cementing the hatred everyone on this thread feels for Arha the Murderer Bastard I think the discussion for the interlude is just about done.
 
Ok so let's go over what happen in pros and cons

Pros
Avatar Phoenix and none died
Khorne Avatar defeated
Guess Ahra survived
Cons
Khorne has a Avatar summoning ritual
Arhra is Alive

The big thing for our side is that the Phoenix lords are all minor gods now. Meaning when the reduce of Isha happens the Phoenix lords should have a better chance. It's weird wishing for a Nurgle demon incursion with at least a exalted Demon. Nurgle only has 3 exalted and they are Nurgle a Avatars. So killing one of those would be like killing part of Nurgle.
 
The big thing for our side is that the Phoenix lords are all minor gods now. Meaning when the reduce of Isha happens the Phoenix lords should have a better chance. It's weird wishing for a Nurgle demon incursion with at least a exalted Demon. Nurgle only has 3 exalted and they are Nurgle a Avatars. So killing one of those would be like killing part of Nurgle.
Pretty sure he's got more than that.

Take Khorne not all his exalted were at this shindig for example.

Still yes, the Avatar Phoenix's are a pretty dang significant boost to the Eldar. No longer do they have to worship that asshat, instead they get to pick between 11 gods who are actually nice while the Phoenix's grow stronger from prayer (hopefully) which should reduce the problems of the war mask system and with luck will let the Avatar's bless their aspects to enhance some of the already most OP warriors in the galaxy.

I'd also add as a tentative pro, that we do kinda have a being strong enough to throw at the Dragon and hopefully tie it up when it finally breaks out.
 
Pretty sure he's got more than that.

Take Khorne not all his exalted were at this shindig for example.

Still yes, the Avatar Phoenix's are a pretty dang significant boost to the Eldar. No longer do they have to worship that asshat, instead they get to pick between 11 gods who are actually nice while the Phoenix's grow stronger from prayer (hopefully) which should reduce the problems of the war mask system and with luck will let the Avatar's bless their aspects to enhance some of the already most OP warriors in the galaxy.


I'd also add as a tentative pro, that we do kinda have a being strong enough to throw at the Dragon and hopefully tie it up when it finally breaks out.
Nurgle has only 3 named Exalted demons. He has 7 honored demons and endless nurglites. What makes Nurgles Exalted demons different from other gods is that they are literally his Avatars. Part of him that is set apart so he can do multiple jobs, oversee things and be in more than one place.
 
Oh a big con is that the Domain of War Has Got Closer to the Chaos 'god'. But Since There are so many gods with a war domain (include the orks), I would say that this is not a problem (at very last I hope so).
 
Nurgle has only 3 named Exalted demons. He has 7 honored demons and endless nurglites. What makes Nurgles Exalted demons different from other gods is that they are literally his Avatars. Part of him that is set apart so he can do multiple jobs, oversee things and be in more than one place.
Pretty sure he's got more exalted than that, Botchulaz, Qaramar, Scabeiathrax, Ku'Gath Plague father we've even created a one of our own Melarisa.

I certainly can't find anything saying he has only 3 exalted.

Pretty sure you're conflating the Unclean Ones in general with his exalted, cause they're more connected to him than regular daemons, but they're still of substantially different power levels.

Also in no way is that connected to Khorne, who also had exalted missing from this shindig like SKARBRAND WHO HATES BEING FORGOTTEN ABOUT! and the other 4 of Khorne's first host.
 
Right then plans of the action.

Information we have gained tells us that Lin can research how to restore the Eldar Pantheon, doing a specific god would help more, but he can do in general as well.

As such I would like to propose that in addition to the Self, the War of Scales and researching the Phoenix Avatars, we should figure out how to restore Lieath and and Vaul.

Lieath is their goddess of fate, her avatars are all diviners on the same level as Ridcully, while Vaul is their crafter god whose avatars are all transcendent level crafters, either one of them restored would likely represent a vast boost to their power.

Other gods would be useful like Kuranous who was Isha's companion and their god of the hunt, Hoeth their god of magic, knowledge and wisdom and Loec who would presumably assist Cheogorath.

Aside from that the Eldar would also appreciate Ridcully's aid in obtaining Anaris, the ultimate blade Vaul forged to give to the Phoenix Avatars, which given the likely power of the artefact we should probably do ASAP.

There maybe other Eldar gods that Durin's created they may wish to prioritise, but these are the ones we know of.
 
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1) Was anyone from Khorne's side killed off permanently with the last fight against the Phoenix Lords?

2) How much worse would things have been if Ridcully didn't warn the Eldar about the ritual when it was almost finished?
 
2) How much worse would things have been if Ridcully didn't warn the Eldar about the ritual when it was almost finished?
Answered in Discord
1. When you say even worse.. if the Eldar didn't intervene how bad might it have been?



1. korne would ahve gianed a fully powered body, a claim to Eldar souls and war, and be coming for the rest of the shards of Khanine right now
 
As such I would like to propose that in addition to the Self, the War of Scales and researching the Phoenix Avatars, we should figure out how to restore Lieath and and Vaul.
Sure. We can add it to the long, long long long, list of things we wish Lin had time to do.

We have IIRC a max of two turns before Lin must start his Final Project. And we would be well advised to pour every possible action into preparing for that Final Project. The Eldar gods have been dead for tens of thousands of years. In all that time the Eldar have failed to make progress restoring them. I somehow doubt Lin will manage anything meaningful in a year or two.
 
We have IIRC a max or two turns before Lin must start his Final Project. And we would be well advised to pour every possible action into preparing for that Final Project. The Eldar gods have been dead for tens of thousands of years. In all that time the Eldar have failed to make progress restoring them. I somehow doubt Lin will manage anything meaningful in a year or two.
I don't know about time, but the prep for his final action is either there is no prep or its primarily not stuff Lin does, its mostly diplomacy actions.

Take Guiliman his things are almost all diplo the only thing Lin can do are curses.

Regardless the Eldar have actually been making progress, they're just kinda distracted by the 10 trillion other things they have to do to stop us getting run over by random level 4s and worse, something Lin can alleviate and is a better use of his time than most anything else.
 
Right then plans of the action.

Information we have gained tells us that Lin can research how to restore the Eldar Pantheon, doing a specific god would help more, but he can do in general as well.

As such I would like to propose that in addition to the Self, the War of Scales and researching the Phoenix Avatars, we should figure out how to restore Lieath and and Vaul.

Lieath is their goddess of fate, her avatars are all diviners on the same level as Ridcully, while Vaul is their crafter god whose avatars are all transcendent level crafters, either one of them restored would likely represent a vast boost to their power.

Other gods would be useful like Kuranous who was Isha's companion and their god of the hunt, Hoeth their god of magic, knowledge and wisdom and Loec who would presumably assist Cheogorath.

Aside from that the Eldar would also appreciate Ridcully's aid in obtaining Anaris, the ultimate blade Vaul forged to give to the Phoenix Avatars, which given the likely power of the artefact we should probably do ASAP.

There maybe other Eldar gods that Durin's created they may wish to prioritise, but these are the ones we know of.
Sure. We can add it to the long, long long long, list of things we wish Lin had time to do.

We have IIRC a max of two turns before Lin must start his Final Project. And we would be well advised to pour every possible action into preparing for that Final Project. The Eldar gods have been dead for tens of thousands of years. In all that time the Eldar have failed to make progress restoring them. I somehow doubt Lin will manage anything meaningful in a year or two.


I think that next turn we should focus on getting bonus for the Lizard Diplomacy action, we will need a crit there, but I think that the shot at Trascendent that will give to Lin is well worth it.

We shoul use divination and diplomacy actions that we can use to boost Lin chances, and then triple down.
 
So it appears that Khaine is dead for good now. Good riddance.

As mentioned by others, I prefer 12 minor godlings with only 1 of them being an edgy asshole to 1 complete god of War that is also an edgy asshole who teamkills and makes stupid decisions on a regular basis.

Sure Khorne got a power-up, but he was due one anyway per Durin. Just like Nurgle, Tzeentch and The Abomination are sometime in the future.
 
Eh there's one shard left...

I doubt Durin's forgotten about it.

He never forgets anything all eventualities have been planned for!

Sure, but like many things, it will come down to a roll and I can't see a ritual using 1 (or 13) shards of Khaine having a higher likelihood of success than the one that just occurred using 888 of them.

So for all practical purposes I consider Khaine relegated to the dustbins of history.
 
Alright, so should we have Lin do Self and Curses research this turn (with 2 Those in the Shadows/Spend time with Tormod fillers to align DD's) and have Ridcully do divination to help Lin with Turn 132's Lizardmen Diplomacy pt. 2?
 
Sure, but like many things, it will come down to a roll and I can't see a ritual using 1 (or 13) shards of Khaine having a higher likelihood of success than the one that just occurred using 888 of them.

So for all practical purposes I consider Khaine relegated to the dustbins of history.
Never underestimate Durin.

He remembers...he knows all.
 
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