The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
The Primarchs, the Eldar Pantheon, The Emperor himself, The Curse of the Blood Angels, the primordial Sea, Malal, Isha

There are many things that we can research and so little time.
Pretty sure someone mentioned we can't actually do the Emperor. Not sure if Malal even exists in this quest. Finally not sure why we can't ask the Eldar themselves about their pantheon, especially Isha since that would likely help with her rescue.
 
You are quoting the word "it". Could you perhaps expound on what action you're talking about?



Do you mean not do?

Also, @Durin
1. Is that -10 likely to continue next turn?
It is better to do none vital actions this turn such as performing trades or other such things because we will need the actions to help Saint Lin to have the best possibility of success.
 
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@Durin
1. Will we need to roll for asking the inquisition and grey knights help on the sea? They do know about the sea and are completely on our side?
 
@Enjou @Nurgle would you please consider to look into another God/Pantheon, instead of doing Master Witch Hunters with Lin?

Durin have just confirmed that Master Witch Hunters can be done/continued by Lin's successor so we should try to that massive 10 year action once we finish all the possible research

In my opinion a 5-10% reduction in our military casualties is not worth, the opportunity cost that the rest of Lin's action have (especially since we may lose him in less than 40 years) since that action.can be taken by his successor.
 
@Enjou @Nurgle would you please consider to look into another God/Pantheon, instead of doing Master Witch Hunters with Lin?

Durin have just confirmed that Master Witch Hunters can be done/continued by Lin's successor so we should try to that massive 10 year action once we finish all the possible research

In my opinion a 5-10% reduction in our military casualties is not worth, the opportunity cost that the rest of Lin's action have (especially since we may lose him in less than 40 years) since that action.can be taken by his successor.
I'd agree with this.
 
@Enjou @Nurgle would you please consider to look into another God/Pantheon, instead of doing Master Witch Hunters with Lin?

Durin have just confirmed that Master Witch Hunters can be done/continued by Lin's successor so we should try to that massive 10 year action once we finish all the possible research

In my opinion a 5-10% reduction in our military casualties is not worth, the opportunity cost that the rest of Lin's action have (especially since we may lose him in less than 40 years) since that action.can be taken by his successor.
I really don't agree with this the sooner this action is done the better there isn't anything extremely pressing for Lin to do at the moment since we not only need to wait for the vault to be done but also for Lin to write down everything he knows for it.
 
@Enjou @Nurgle would you please consider to look into another God/Pantheon, instead of doing Master Witch Hunters with Lin?

Durin have just confirmed that Master Witch Hunters can be done/continued by Lin's successor so we should try to that massive 10 year action once we finish all the possible research

In my opinion a 5-10% reduction in our military casualties is not worth, the opportunity cost that the rest of Lin's action have (especially since we may lose him in less than 40 years) since that action.can be taken by his successor.
Really after the Eldar Pantheon and primarchs everything else but the Primordial sea is just icing on the cake. The nature of the 3 curses will not lead to a cure, Malal serves no purpose, and so on.
 
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Really after the Eldar Pantheon and primarchs everything else but the Primordial sea is just icing on the cake. The nature of the 3 curses will not lead to a cure, Malal serves no purpose, and so on.
I'd say we both don't know exactly what information we could gain from them, the primordial warp opened up large new amounts of info to say nothing of the fact only Lin can do these actions.

It's all very well saying they're icing, but it's exclusive and unique.
 
-Y4: Implement (Codiac Support Artillery): Planning
These Nids rely on Eldar tactics basically, against which artillery is much less useful. Mobile arty will certainly help, but I would recommend anti harassment forces instead, such as the Harvester.

-Y3: The Nature of (Primarchs)
I highly doubt that we would learn anything Corax doesn't already know. And what do we expect the benefits of this to be? We will not be making demigods before Emps comes back anyway.

The only use for this I can think off, unless I am wrong about Corax already knowing this stuff that is, is as a set up to studying the nature of Space Marines.

-Y1-Y5: Spend Time With (Tormod)
Spending time with Family does the same thing mechanically, along with spending time with Syr and others narratively.
 
I highly doubt that we would learn anything Corax doesn't already know. And what do we expect the benefits of this to be? We will not be making demigods before Emps comes back anyway.
Actually it's entirely possible he doesn't know much. He knows their physical make up, but the spiritual side of things (what Lin's doing) is likely opaque to him like most everyone else except where it relates to astartes something originally part of the primarchs.
 
I would like to make the argument that we should have Lin do the Primordial Sea immediately after the vault is completed.

It is very possible that his research of it could lead to more lines of research that possess tangible benefits for Avernus and the Trust at large.

For instance, a future action using his knowledge of the primordial sea to better combat the forces of Chaos is something that I could see as possible. That's not something that can be researched if we do the Primordial Sea right before the end of his life.
 
These Nids rely on Eldar tactics basically, against which artillery is much less useful. Mobile arty will certainly help, but I would recommend anti harassment forces instead, such as the Harvester.

The Harvester is an anti-horde tank, not anti-harassment. The reason to go with mobile artillery is because groups it lets us bombard mobile harassment groups much more effectively than we could with just static artillery.

Also, while the Nids of this Hive Fleet have gone Eldar-lite, numbers are likely still a major part of their strategy.


I would like to make the argument that we should have Lin do the Primordial Sea immediately after the vault is completed.

It is very possible that his research of it could lead to more lines of research that possess tangible benefits for Avernus and the Trust at large.

For instance, a future action using his knowledge of the primordial sea to better combat the forces of Chaos is something that I could see as possible. That's not something that can be researched if we do the Primordial Sea right before the end of his life.

Everyone's already planning on doing just that. Finish the vault, put Lin's knowledge in writing and store it, and then do the Primordial Sea.
 
I would like to make the argument that we should have Lin do the Primordial Sea immediately after the vault is completed.

It is very possible that his research of it could lead to more lines of research that possess tangible benefits for Avernus and the Trust at large.

For instance, a future action using his knowledge of the primordial sea to better combat the forces of Chaos is something that I could see as possible. That's not something that can be researched if we do the Primordial Sea right before the end of his life.
We will do it after the vault complete and Saint Lin right everything down. So 10 years. Giving us 25 years to do everything (if Saint Lin does not die) before we start rolling for Saint Lin to die.
 
Also, the Sanginour is another valid research option for Lin.
Adhoc vote count started by StormySky on Apr 14, 2019 at 12:51 PM, finished with 124478 posts and 20 votes.
 
The Harvester is an anti-horde tank, not anti-harassment. The reason to go with mobile artillery is because groups it lets us bombard mobile harassment groups much more effectively than we could with just static artillery.

Also, while the Nids of this Hive Fleet have gone Eldar-lite, numbers are likely still a major part of their strategy.
It achieves that anti-horde ability with a bunch of rapid firing, low AP guns. Does that not sounds perfect against fast, lightly armored dodge tanks?

We do not have a hovertank nearly as effective against these Nids, and the mobility of a hover platform will be extremely useful in countering their harassment.

Units move in tight formations because of coordination and communication concerns, as well as to cover each other. A fast force of telepathic troops would be foolish to not be almost always dispersed, negating much of artilleries effectiveness.
 
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Really after the Eldar Pantheon and primarchs everything else but the Primordial sea is just icing on the cake. The nature of the 3 curses will not lead to a cure, Malal serves no purpose, and so on.
And again we can likely ask the Eldar for info on their own pantheon, especially Isha since that could be useful in her rescue.
Also, the Sanginour is another valid research option for Lin.
Imagine that doing the Primarchs would give us an idea if that's even worthwhile.
 
He was the herald who fell into the warp and has become a warp entity, it happens.
No it doesn't.

Usually you fall into the warp you either get eaten 99.9% recurring that is what happens.

The other 0.1% end up like Dragio trapped, but not warpy.

Nobody else has spontaneously turned into a warp entity.

Excepting chaos,but they're their own thing.
 
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