- Location
- The internet
Turn 127, though we've been warned since the end of the last crusade that they'd probably take another shot.
-
Going forward, links to content from Twitter (now X) will no longer be embedded. Pre-existing links should not be affected.
The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Ok that's a reasonable assumption we have no evidence for.
That makes no sense what so ever, after getting the crap kicked out of them assuming they don't just collapse in a pile I very much doubt they're going to get up and go "I know what lets go and dive bomb the group that will likely be the strongest people in the sector excepting the Nexx depending on how involved they are."
I do realise they are chaos, but there's a certain level of idiocy where they just become bugs on the windshield rather than threats to take seriously, especially since we are not a threat. If we were a threat that was worth them unifying then they'd have already done it. Since we're not up to our necks in immortals, I'd say we are not a threat now and after the waaargh assuming they're not dead they're going to have bigger things to worry about.
And here's the issue. I assume all of this has been the crusade coming in and deciding that a bunch of no name jackasses in the middle of know where should base the crusade and be allowed to support it?
That makes no sense even by the lax standards of chaos.
This is the Abomination's grudge match as far as I can tell it cannot afford to let this be an undivided affair. Undivided is effectively admiting weakness to the rest of chaos, to the abomination in this it cannot afford to let Lin be killed by anyone, but its servants, otherwise its sending up big white flags to the rest of them.
This is part of the issue for the Abomination, Lin means more to them than anything, any forces they bring will be focused on kill him and killing him alone, they are single minded in this and your argument that "we have been wrong in the past" looses water when one considers that only a single chaos lord has used that and it was Turoq.
A man who had a paragon trait primarily slaved to dealing with the horrendous disadvantages of being chaos.
For this idea to be functional it relies on three premises
1. An abomination commander being willing to trust heretics in a holy war.
2. An abomination commander being willing to think outside the box.
3. The abomination being desperate enough to admit weakness to its fellows by effectively asking for help.
None of these fit the personality of the abomination as we know it so unless we get another Turoq (not impossible TBF) it seems unlikely.
A more reasonable assumption that works more with their personality would be to use some kind of hint (daemons whatever) to get whatever fragments of chaos are left to launch an assault on somewhere that isn't one of the toughest places in the trust since the moons most certainly are one of those.
Asgard is the one that springs to mind, its got a forge moon, but substantially lower defences and forces us to split our attention to two entirely different systems, rather than having them in the same system where they can support one another.
However, this still relies on trusting heretics and out of the box thinking.
As an aside. You do remember the abomination is the Chaos God of Xenophobia right? Its worshippers are even more xenophobic of non thems than the Imperium. Even worshippers of the abomination hate non them worshippers of the abomination. Unless its to kill them, the chances of them using the Nexx seem even lower than Assour believe it or not.
We are not going to agree on this so I am going to end it here.
- Location
- The internet
Yeah. Chedorlaomer engaged in pointless, self defeating zealotry and xenophobia to the extent that he cost the Imperium multiple sectors, one of the few remaining Gloriana battleships, and the near extinction of the most powerful Abhuman species. He fucked up so bad that not only was he declared traitor, not only was he erased from history, not only did all nine first founding chapters band together to hunt him down and kill him, but the GEoM ordered one of his Custodes to make sure he died, in M41. Tjapa's response was to make him one of his first and most powerful Angyl Lords, because damn that's a fine bit of xenophobia. If he's in the crusade Chedorlaomer will engage in pointless sabatoge of any "others" that come along, because he's that one guy in the old legends who treats strangers terribly, only he got rewarded instead of punished since Tjapa's an asshole.
Last edited:
The Fourth Emergency High Council Meeting Part Three: Details
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
The Fourth Emergency High Council Meeting Part Three: Details
Your arguments for the third plan, which attempts to protect all of the human worlds but avoids taking to many risks were agreed with, and the gathered council decided to follow it. With the overall plan having decided attention turns towards the final details of the plan, such as whether to deploy ground forces, and if so how many and who to give military command.
On deploying ground forces it is quickly agreed that between transport issues and diplomatic issues from deploying massive armies that you will be limited to deploying at most a pair of army groups to each world. This means that you will have to deploy a force largely drawn from your better troopers to have a major effect on the ground. It is generally agreed that you should deploy as large a force as possible to these worlds in order to ensure that they do not fall to whatever Tyranid ground forces make landfall, and to give your forces experience at fighting the new Tyranids on the ground. The main argument is on the quality of forces that you deploy, with some arguing that your should deploy a regular force that you can afford to have suffer heavy losses while others argue that you should deploy your more elite forces to ensure that no worlds end up falling. It is agreed that the Eldar Warhosts will be used primarily as strategic reserves for those worlds with Webway Gates and that all forces would be deployed only after you are sure that the system will be defended. While opinion seems likely to settle on one of the more morerate options your voice has much influence in this discussion.
your vote will add +23% chance of that option winning, an argument and a diplomacy check (DC 70) will further increase chances
[] Deploy thirteen PDF Army Groups, twelve Guard Armour Groups and one Elite Army Group- These forces should provide a boost to the ground defences, while being replaceable even if massive losses are sustained (2% of all PDF, 25% of all Guard, 10% of all elites) -21% base chance
[] Deploy twenty-four Guard Armour Groups and two Elite Army Groups - These forces should provide a significant boost to the ground defences, but would lead to replacement issues if massive losses are sustained (50% of all Guard, 20% of all elites) -35% base chance
[] Deploy sixteen Guard Armour Groups and ten Elite Army Groups - These forces should provide a massive boost to the ground defences, but major losses would be sorely felt (35% of all Guard, 100% of all elites)- 11% base chance
It is quickly agreed that you will need a unified chain of command for this war with a single commander empowered to make on the spot decisions as well as individual commanders for each of the systems. This is a highly important position and one for which there are only three real candidates. First there is Autarch Amnedor Landeer, the military leader of the Eldar Warhosts being deployed for this campaign. The Autarch has the most experience at grand command in your gathered forces, and is renowned for his ability to coordinate wars over entire sectors at a time. Next there is Chapter Master Julius of the Varangian Guard, a living legend who has seen more battles then any two of the other commanders. Chapter Master Julius is the only commander present with extensive experience at combating the Tyranids, experience that may prove invaluable despite their changes. Finally there is you, the Governor of Avernus and the leader of the Eternal War. While your talents are more focused towards the ground then the Void you are one of the most gifted military commanders that humanity has ever produced, counted on the same breath as legends like Lord Solar Macharius and Lord Castellan Ursarkar Creed.
[] Attempt to claim the position yourself (66% chance, diplomacy check (DC 75) increase chanced )- You believe that you would be the best choice as High Commander, and are willing to devote the time that will be needed to fill this position.
[] Support Chapter Master Julius (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the great experience of Chapter Master Julius makes him the best high commander.
[] Support Autarch Amnedor Landeer (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the experience at larger scale conflicts that Autarch Landeer posseses makes him the best high commander.
Your arguments for the third plan, which attempts to protect all of the human worlds but avoids taking to many risks were agreed with, and the gathered council decided to follow it. With the overall plan having decided attention turns towards the final details of the plan, such as whether to deploy ground forces, and if so how many and who to give military command.
On deploying ground forces it is quickly agreed that between transport issues and diplomatic issues from deploying massive armies that you will be limited to deploying at most a pair of army groups to each world. This means that you will have to deploy a force largely drawn from your better troopers to have a major effect on the ground. It is generally agreed that you should deploy as large a force as possible to these worlds in order to ensure that they do not fall to whatever Tyranid ground forces make landfall, and to give your forces experience at fighting the new Tyranids on the ground. The main argument is on the quality of forces that you deploy, with some arguing that your should deploy a regular force that you can afford to have suffer heavy losses while others argue that you should deploy your more elite forces to ensure that no worlds end up falling. It is agreed that the Eldar Warhosts will be used primarily as strategic reserves for those worlds with Webway Gates and that all forces would be deployed only after you are sure that the system will be defended. While opinion seems likely to settle on one of the more morerate options your voice has much influence in this discussion.
your vote will add +23% chance of that option winning, an argument and a diplomacy check (DC 70) will further increase chances
[] Deploy thirteen PDF Army Groups, twelve Guard Armour Groups and one Elite Army Group- These forces should provide a boost to the ground defences, while being replaceable even if massive losses are sustained (2% of all PDF, 25% of all Guard, 10% of all elites) -21% base chance
[] Deploy twenty-four Guard Armour Groups and two Elite Army Groups - These forces should provide a significant boost to the ground defences, but would lead to replacement issues if massive losses are sustained (50% of all Guard, 20% of all elites) -35% base chance
[] Deploy sixteen Guard Armour Groups and ten Elite Army Groups - These forces should provide a massive boost to the ground defences, but major losses would be sorely felt (35% of all Guard, 100% of all elites)- 11% base chance
It is quickly agreed that you will need a unified chain of command for this war with a single commander empowered to make on the spot decisions as well as individual commanders for each of the systems. This is a highly important position and one for which there are only three real candidates. First there is Autarch Amnedor Landeer, the military leader of the Eldar Warhosts being deployed for this campaign. The Autarch has the most experience at grand command in your gathered forces, and is renowned for his ability to coordinate wars over entire sectors at a time. Next there is Chapter Master Julius of the Varangian Guard, a living legend who has seen more battles then any two of the other commanders. Chapter Master Julius is the only commander present with extensive experience at combating the Tyranids, experience that may prove invaluable despite their changes. Finally there is you, the Governor of Avernus and the leader of the Eternal War. While your talents are more focused towards the ground then the Void you are one of the most gifted military commanders that humanity has ever produced, counted on the same breath as legends like Lord Solar Macharius and Lord Castellan Ursarkar Creed.
[] Attempt to claim the position yourself (66% chance, diplomacy check (DC 75) increase chanced )- You believe that you would be the best choice as High Commander, and are willing to devote the time that will be needed to fill this position.
[] Support Chapter Master Julius (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the great experience of Chapter Master Julius makes him the best high commander.
[] Support Autarch Amnedor Landeer (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the experience at larger scale conflicts that Autarch Landeer posseses makes him the best high commander.
- Location
- United States
[X] Deploy twenty-four Guard Armour Groups and two Elite Army Groups - These forces should provide a significant boost to the ground defences, but would lead to replacement issues if massive losses are sustained (50% of all Guard, 20% of all elites) -35% base chance
[X] Support Autarch Amnedor Landeer (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the experience at larger scale conflicts that Autarch Landeer posseses makes him the best high commander.
-[X] Amnedor's experience in coordinating sector-wide war will be the most sorely needed capability in containing the Tyranids.
[X] Support Autarch Amnedor Landeer (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the experience at larger scale conflicts that Autarch Landeer posseses makes him the best high commander.
-[X] Amnedor's experience in coordinating sector-wide war will be the most sorely needed capability in containing the Tyranids.
Last edited:
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
mmm My gut reaction says Landeer is the best as I don't think we necessarily bring much to the table since this is primarily a space fight and Julius's experience is against Nid's that are so vastly different they seem to almost be a different species.
Since we're fighting on a scale out of our depths I vote Landeer.
@Durin
1. No option on the Muspelheim city front?
2. How skilled at martial is Landeer in comparison to Julius and Rotbart?
3. Does he think he can effectively command human forces without there being problems on either end of the equation (xenophobia on ours, overestimation/disdain on his.)
[X] Support Autarch Amnedor Landeer (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the experience at larger scale conflicts that Autarch Landeer posseses makes him the best high commander.
Since we're fighting on a scale out of our depths I vote Landeer.
@Durin
1. No option on the Muspelheim city front?
2. How skilled at martial is Landeer in comparison to Julius and Rotbart?
3. Does he think he can effectively command human forces without there being problems on either end of the equation (xenophobia on ours, overestimation/disdain on his.)
[X] Support Autarch Amnedor Landeer (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the experience at larger scale conflicts that Autarch Landeer posseses makes him the best high commander.
- Location
- Back in Cali
I think Julius is the best option. He has the most experience with war being over a 1000 years old. He is most likely to know how to adapt to the new Nids. With him in overall command we can concentrate on the void where ever we are at.
As for the army groups either the first or second option is best I think. The first one more than the second we are going to take a lot of casualties in this fight. Better to take the ones that will not be hard to replace.
As for the army groups either the first or second option is best I think. The first one more than the second we are going to take a lot of casualties in this fight. Better to take the ones that will not be hard to replace.
- Location
- Brazil
Guys... We won't ever make Transcendent if we jump out of a war like this.
- Location
- Somewhere on Earth
We aren't, we're just not trying to leap at a position not suited for us.
Not only is Rotbart's paragon trait nonfunctional in void combat for now, it won't work at the scales the high commander will be working on, and in general it's probably better to let either Julius, the guy 1 Martial away from a paragon, or the Autarch specialised in that form of command to take the reigns. Because power growth isn't everything.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
We know how to adapt to fight the eldar I mean tyranids.
Unless the autarc's martial is significantly worse compared to Julius I don't think he really brings anything to the table that the other doesn't.
Good?
Transcendent isn't something we're aiming for and it isn't something too aim for, it just kinda happens when everything is on fire and you pull a miracle out of your ass.
I'm tempted to go for Rotbart just because it will be more likely to result in trait gain.
If not him then the Eldar makes more sense I think. I just don't see Julius' experience mattering for much when the tyranids are so different. These new tyranids seem more similar to psychic Avernite wildlife than they are to the tyranids he fought before. The Eldar at least brings experience fighting on the scale of sectors.
If not him then the Eldar makes more sense I think. I just don't see Julius' experience mattering for much when the tyranids are so different. These new tyranids seem more similar to psychic Avernite wildlife than they are to the tyranids he fought before. The Eldar at least brings experience fighting on the scale of sectors.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
He also brings intimate knowledge of how Eldar fight and how to fight an opponent who can use psycic powers in space.
Considering the current enemy, it seems like he may ironically have a better idea of how to fight the nids than Julius.
You make a good point, but unfortunately someone's gotta go kick em first and we can't deffer...curses.
Kinda sad there's no blood dragon candidate.
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
Hmmmm, but will he hate Tyranids because their forces are psyker genestealers, and thus aimed at creating mutants.
Also oh shit
@Durin
1. I know this fleet doesn't use vanguard organisms but what're the odds that some strains of their ubiquitous genestealer based soldiers will leave vanguard organisms behind to draw in more Tyranids around here if we don't hunt them down?
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1.no
2. Same league no details yet
3. He has command d trust forces before so yes
- Location
- Back in Cali
This isn't a the stage of the war we can make transcendent at. We will probably be placed in charge of a battle fleet and depending on how we do that is the best way to get a Paragon void trait. The other two are also far more suitable for the kind of Grand command that this will turn out to be.
- Location
- Australia
I don't understand what you're saying.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. Unknown but possible
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
OHHH.
He must be the guy whose beein in command of our guys.
It's a potential issue, preferably I'd like to see how the necron's react before making the decision, but we cannot deffer the decision until a later time, thus I curse.
I must admit I am interesting in seeing if we can figure out how genestealers work FOR SCIENCE!
- Location
- Australia
Can't we though?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
There's no option and I assume we want to be organised early on, so seemingly not.