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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
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Adventwolf said:
When did LIn say that cleansing the worlds was a waste.
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Enjou said:
...where did he say this?
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Here.
Durin said:
Saint Lin has been making strides in his studies of gods, one that have made him a target of an even greater number of Chaos Lords of all types eager to steal his secrets. Despite, or perhaps because of this, he wishes to continue to focus what time can be spared on his studies.
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Adventwolf said:
Because the way I see cleansing 15 worlds completely from the taint of chaos is a major achievement and might be a way to boost his score. Most people can not even clear tainted worlds so this is something major only he can do unless you want to spend thousands of years working on them or waste a valuable minor favor to get the eldar to do it faster.
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Don't look at it that way. Look at it this way instead. We could either get knowledge on divinity, knowledge that we have no other way of ever getting, or we can get a few more planets. Impossible knowledge, or more balls of dirt to colonise.

The knowledge is more important by far. A few extra worlds is not anywhere close to worth it. To try and equate the two in any way is wrong.

And yes, we could spend a minor favour to cleanse worlds. Know what we can't do? Spend a minor favour to get the knowledge that only Saint Lin can get. Cleanse World is a waste of time and has been for a very long time. This wrong-thinking prioritisation of more land must end.
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
TBF these one's ain't new, they're actually quite old we've just never had time to mention them.
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The logic still applies. I've never read the omake, and have no clue who these people are. I doubt I'm the only one. And now I'm being pestered to add it to my plan, which means I really need to read the omake to make an informed choice, which makes it an imposition on my time, which I in turn resent, which in turn makes me not want to read the omake. Maybe it's irrational, but it just really, really annoys me when this kind of thing comes out of nowhere (from my POV) after I've already spent hours putting together a plan.


Andres110 said:
Here.
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That doesn't say it's a waste, though.

@Durin - is it a waste of Lin's time to cleanse the Moderate tainted worlds?
 
Andres110 said:
And yes, we could spend a minor favour to cleanse worlds. Know what we can't do? Spend a minor favour to get the knowledge that only Saint Lin can get. Cleanse World is a waste of time and has been for a very long time. This wrong-thinking prioritisation of more land must end.
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I wholeheartedly agree. I would go as far as saying that I am unwilling to support a plan which prioritizes cleansing planets.

In my opinion, each and every action slot of Lin's should be solely dedicated to studying the divine or the warp. Anything else is a waste of time.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
I believe this is it.

Logic seems to be that yes he can do it, but its colonise already and a few decades of work from our psykers can do the job fine.

Yeah doesn't seem to be any reason to have Lin do it TBH, just wastes his valuable time.
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That is for light, medium and higher are still impossible for us to clear in any short time frame and that just means we need to use our psyker actions instead. And the sea is something to do near the end not right now when he can do things that might improve his chances by boosting his stats with actions that only he can really do.
 
Adventwolf said:
And the sea is something to do near the end not right now when he can do things that might improve his chances by boosting his stats with actions that only he can really do.
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"Lin needs to get as good as he can be before he studies the Primordial Sea."
"Hmm...we could have him study stuff, improving his ability to study, which would naturally boost the the big study project..."
"Nah, let's make him clean balls of dirt. That's much better for training his ability to study stuff."
 
[X] Plan Nurgle 126

Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Am Even Split

Void Command
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Construct: Mass Conveyors and Escorts
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1
-Y5: Construct: Skeid Military Transport
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 5
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Navigators Support

Administratum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Technological Improvements: (Food)
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Technological Improvements: (Food)
SLOT C - Year 5
-Y5: Technological Improvements: (Food)

Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Trade Talks (Muselphiem, Buy Cargo Space)
-Y2: Trade Talks (Midgard, Sell Metal for Thrones)
-Y3: Sound Out (Helping the Dragon's Nest root out spies)
-Y4: Sound Out (Helping the Dragon's Nest root out spies)
-Y5: Request Areatha (Contact with the Euryales and provide a introduction)

Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Greater Psyker Hunting
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Counter-Intelligence

AdMech
SLOT A - Year 1 (Explorator)
-Y1: Black Ship Design: Battleship
SLOT B - Year 2 (Biologis)
-Y2: Complete Examination (Threnody dragons)
SLOT C - Year 2 (Free)
-Y2: Technological Improvements: (Advanced Material)

Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Cleanse World (Moderate)
-Y4: The Nature of (Eldar Pantheon)
—Double Down Year 4
SLOT B - Year 3
-Y3: The Nature of (Gork and Mork)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3

Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 3 (Ridcully)
-Y3: Mentoring: Alpha
-Y4: Greater Divination (who's planning to attack the trust)
-Y5: Greater Divination ( Fortress of the Soulless)
-DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT B - Year 2 (Xavier)
-Y2: Master Alkahestry
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
SLOT C - Year 1 (Tamia)
-Y1: Anti-Ork Powers: Grand Techbane
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
SLOT D - Year 5(Aria)
-Y5: Alkahestral identification: Everglades
SLOT E - Free Divination
-Y?: Greater Divination (Eldar Choice)

Personal
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Personal Attention: Expand Shipyards: Large
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Personal Attention: Educational Reforms Part Two
SLOT C - Year 2
-Y2: Construction Expertise (Build Hive (Tarascon, Center Area))
SLOT D - Year 1
-Y1: The Knights of Rotbart
-Y5: Spend Time With (Saint Lin)

Ok here is my plan also @Enjou we have a alpha this turn.
 
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Enjou said:
The logic still applies. I've never read the omake, and have no clue who these people are. I doubt I'm the only one. And now I'm being pestered to add it to my plan, which means I really need to read the omake to make an informed choice, which makes it an imposition on my time, which I in turn resent, which in turn makes me not want to read the omake. Maybe it's irrational, but it just really, really annoys me when this kind of thing comes out of nowhere (from my POV) after I've already spent hours putting together a plan.
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I wasn't making a statement on things like that, merely saying that they've been in existence for a while. I'm sorry its an imposition on your time, but this is why I try not to suggest things like them to you and instead suggested the Therondy Dragons and Bastard Dragons before them, both of which have turned up prominently.

Enjou said:
That doesn't say it's a waste, though.
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Just that he'd rather prioritise his time.

Nothing Lin does is a waste of time, but some actions have more effect and value than others.

Adventwolf said:
That is for light, medium and higher are still impossible for us to clear in any short time frame and that just means we need to use our psyker actions instead. And the sea is something to do near the end not right now when he can do things that might improve his chances by boosting his stats with actions that only he can really do.
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I know I got that wrong and @Andres110 found the correct quote, even then I'm not even talking about the sea at the moment (although I just want to get it done ASAP) I'm talking about the primal warp.

The thing even the Eldar didn't know about.

Seems like a more valuable investment of his time and given Fenris's nonsense potentially connected to Avernus in some fashion (only two planets I can think of that have guiding intellects.)
 
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Andres110 said:
"Lin needs to get as good as he can be before he studies the Primordial Sea."
"Hmm...we could have him study stuff, improving his ability to study, which would naturally boost the the big study project..."
"Nah, let's make him clean balls of dirt. That's much better for training his ability to study stuff."
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We are having him study things he can do one of them at a time. The rest of the slots need something so why not do something only he can do. Every plan that has been put up has Lin researching a pantheon or a God (Gork and Mork count as one in my mind) so what the hell are you on about?
 
Doomed Wombat said:
I wasn't making a statement on things like that, merely saying that they've been in existence for a while. I'm sorry its an imposition on your time, but this is why I try not to suggest things like them to you and instead suggested the Therondy Dragons and Bastard Dragons before them, both of which have turned up prominently.
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It's fine to suggest it... just right after I post a plan is probably not the best time. That's when it irks me the most.

Though I do have to wonder how it is for the casual readers who only read the main updates when a species they've never once heard of comes up as something we picked to take action on.
 
Adventwolf said:
We are having him study things he can do one of them at a time. The rest of the slots need something so why not do something only he can do. Every plan that has been put up has Lin researching a pantheon or a God (Gork and Mork count as one in my mind) so what the hell are you on about?
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Because he doesn't have to research things one at a time, he can research two things at once.

Devoting himself to research assuming he doesn't double on an action...well doubles the rate at which he learns things.

Enjou said:
Though I do have to wonder how it is for the casual readers who only read the main updates when a species they've never once heard of comes up as something we picked to take action on.
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I hope it makes them interested and they go and read the vast bounty of omakes the quest has to offer, but its not like there haven't been out of no where critters that have been found that we didn't even do an omake for.

Remember the dragonfly? Right outta no where.
 
Adventwolf said:
We are having him study things he can do one of them at a time. The rest of the slots need something so why not do something only he can do. Every plan that has been put up has Lin researching a pantheon or a God (Gork and Mork count as one in my mind) so what the hell are you on about?
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Only Lin can study the things he is studying, so I don't know where you get off to trying to justify the world cleansing like that. And yes, we are using a slot to study stuff, but that doesn't mean there's no benefit to using the other slot to study other stuff. Using that other slot for studying is better than using it for getting stuff that doesn't matter. Seriously, it's just planets. Planets are not as important as the knowledge he could otherwise be getting with that extra slot.
 
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In all honesty I don't know why we don't just burn the chaos tainted worlds down to ash and then subsequently terraform them.
 
Shard said:
In all honesty I don't know why we don't just burn the chaos tainted worlds down to ash and then subsequently terraform them.
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It'd take even longer to make them habitable again IIRC, than it would be to just wait possibly with the exception of heavily tainted, but that isn't a problem anymore since we got rid of all of them.
 
Ok, here's my plan.

[X] Plan Enjou T126

Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: An Even Split

Void Command
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Construct: Skeid Military Transport
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1
-Y5: Construct: Skeid Military Transport
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 5
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Navigators Support

Administratum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Technological Improvements: (Food)
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Technological Improvements: (Food)
SLOT C - Year 5
-Y5: Technological Improvements: (Food)

Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Trade Talks (Muselphiem, Buy Cargo Space)
-Y2: Trade Talks (Midgard, Sell Metal for Thrones)
-Y3: Sound Out (Helping the Dragon's Nest root out spies)
-Y4: Sound Out (Helping the Dragon's Nest root out spies)
-Y5: Request Areatha (Contact with the Euryales and provide a introduction)

Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Greater Psyker Hunting
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-Y4: Greater Psyker Hunting
-Y5: Counter-Intelligence
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5

AdMech
SLOT A - Year 1 (Explorator)
-Y1: Black Ship Design: Battleship
SLOT B - Year 2 (Biologis)
-Y2: Complete Examination (Threnody Dragons)
SLOT C - Year 2 (Free)
-Y2: Technological Improvements: (Advanced Material)

Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Cleanse World (Moderate)
-Y4: The Nature of (The Primal Warp)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
SLOT B - Year 3
-Y3: The Nature of (Gork and Mork)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3

Compromise here - do one cleansing, largely to get the Double Down where it needs to be. Might change this later.

Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 3 (Ridcully)
-Y3: Greater Divination (Infiltrators in the Trust)
-Y4: Greater Divination (Trust's Next Enemy)
-Y5: Mentoring: Alpha
SLOT B - Year 2 (Xavier)
-Y2: Master Alkahestry
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
SLOT C - Year 1 (Tamia)
-Y1: Anti-Ork Powers: Grand Techbane
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
SLOT D - Year 5 (Aria)
-Y5: Mentoring: Alpha
SLOT E - Free Divination
-Y?: Greater Divination (Eldar Choice)

Personal
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Personal Attention: Landing Pads
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Personal Attention: Educational Reforms Part Two
SLOT C - Year 2
-Y2: Construction Expertise (Build Hive (Tarascon, Center Area))
SLOT D - Year 1
-Y1: The Knights of Rotbart
-Y5: Spend Time With (Saint Lin)
 
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Shard said:
In all honesty I don't know why we don't just burn the chaos tainted worlds down to ash and then subsequently terraform them.
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Doomed Wombat said:
It'd take even longer to make them habitable again IIRC, than it would be to just wait possibly with the exception of heavily tainted, but that isn't a problem anymore since we got rid of all of them.
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I don't think that would clear the taint either we use pyromancy to burn the taint because the fire is not actual fire but the warp equivalent of fire which has the echo of purifying things.
 
[X] Plan Enjou T126

I would prefer the Grand Cruiser but it is not anything that I feel the need to die on so going with this one. Neither major plan has the weapon loadout split but whatever the pulse is a cheaper option so it is better for the economy which is a bit more important and still makes our troops much stronger.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Any chance of a swap to either the primal warp or primarchs?

Eldar Pantheon isn't bad considering created gods, but primal warp seems like it'd be very useful for the sea and primarchs for our psycic research.
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Primal Warp it is then.

Doomed Wombat said:
I'd rather half and half, to throw my hat into the ring.
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*sigh* There's too many damn opinions on this. I'll switch it to half and half because frankly it's probably the best compromise.
 
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