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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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me.me.here said:
So, admittedly I just skimmed the arguments about the Deceiver, but the main clues I saw were essentially "sudden jumps in tech level, likely ending up in the 20+ range", "totally unexpected to be a Deceiver catspaw" , and "strongly controlled by secretive cabal like the Ethereal Caste of the Tau". Doesn't the Imperial Trust fit all three of those points? (assuming you include the impact of Freddie being controlled by a quest, it's not as strong a fit for the third point otherwise)
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We do, but the Eldar cleared us due to Avernus.
 
me.me.here said:
So, admittedly I just skimmed the arguments about the Deceiver, but the main clues I saw were essentially "sudden jumps in tech level, likely ending up in the 20+ range", "totally unexpected to be a Deceiver catspaw" , and "strongly controlled by secretive cabal like the Ethereal Caste of the Tau". Doesn't the Imperial Trust fit all three of those points? (assuming you include the impact of Freddie being controlled by a quest, it's not as strong a fit for the third point otherwise)
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The Deceiver's pawn is a galactic power. We do not fit any of those points either. Our jump in tech came from having a planet and graveyard full of DAoT artifacts. We were protected by a warpstorm from the galaxy's perspective for a 1000 years something the C'Tan cannot do. We are not ruled by a secret cabal all our leaders are public and many of them can and do get challenged for their positions. As for unexpected no the Tau are totally expected because they fit with what the Deceiver would want.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Which is?
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Mostly that they are obviously the kind of people the Deceiver would go for. I am not completely convinced it is them because it is so obvious. If the Deceiver is playing the long con it is better off working on someone no one would think would be it. Of the ones we are aware of the Secundus is top because of proximity mostly, you did bring up a good point on the Alpha Legion so they are maybe it, The Dark Angels might be it due to the multiple scheme and secrets they keep from each other makes it easy to be played.
 
Adventwolf said:
Mostly that they are obviously the kind of people the Deceiver would go for. I am not completely convinced it is them because it is so obvious. If the Deceiver is playing the long con it is better off working on someone no one would think would be it. Of the ones we are aware of the Secundus is top because of proximity mostly, you did bring up a good point on the Alpha Legion so they are maybe it, The Dark Angels might be it due to the multiple scheme and secrets they keep from each other makes it easy to be played.
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Ok good to know, but my question was what does the Deceiver want?

There's lots of things, it could want the Destroyer dead so it isn't eaten alive, it could want to continue cutting off reality from the warp, it could just want to get back to nomming itself to death on the souls of the innocent.
 
agumentic said:
I personally don't think that making one system more defensible is that good of an action, and I really don't think it will have that much of a finesse as to make all those things happen.

What I would like to do is to adapt Advanced Singularity Thrusters for escort and light cruisers, so we can seriously look into replacing escorts.
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Doing the helhiem system is the first system and would take the longest. The thing is we are constantly on the defense. The vast majority of our battles have been on the defense so having a advantage that the gravity array would be a huge boon.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Ok good to know, but my question was what does the Deceiver want?

There's lots of things, it could want the Destroyer dead so it isn't eaten alive, it could want to continue cutting off reality from the warp, it could just want to get back to nomming itself to death on the souls of the innocent.
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No idea we never tried to find out its intentions and trying to find out is going to take a concentrated effort. At a minimum, if the Destroyer is the Outsider then it wants it dead at least. Also is the Night Reaper still around or is it still in a bunch of shards? As for cutting off the warp isn't that the Void Dragon's thing? Eating souls maybe but it looks more like it wants to ensure its own survival above all does it need to eat souls to live?
 
Adventwolf said:
No idea we never tried to find out its intentions and trying to find out is going to take a concentrated effort. At a minimum, if the Destroyer is the Outsider then it wants it dead at least. Also is the Night Reaper still around or is it still in a bunch of shards? As for cutting off the warp isn't that the Void Dragon's thing? Eating souls maybe but it looks more like it wants to ensure its own survival above all does it need to eat souls to live?
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I know my thing was you were making a statement on its intentions.

The Nightbringer is in shards, there are only three whole C'tan, Destroyer, Dragon and Deceiver. Unless the Nightbringer is better at hiding than the Deceiver it should be in shards still.

All the C'tan fear the warp it's likely it'd want it cut off. Canonically the Deceiver knows how to create new pylons, but Durin may rule no in this quest.

Probably not, but the C'tan like them seemingly too much. I don't know whether they can resume the consumption of stars. Also probably not safe for it to do so seeing as the Necrons still control the celestial Orrery.
 
Hopefully the Nids will be finished off soon so the Crons can come down on the Destroyer with millions of years worth of NOPE!
 
Azgrin said:
Crons bashed are still frakk off levels of deadly we want pointed at the Destroyer.
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And I want that sustainable long term, not them going half cocked and subverted by the Destroyer virus.

The Destroyer is bad enough now, I don't want it gaining access to the reality busters and the double transcendent king.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Best case scenario would be them loaning a reality buster to the Eldar and Krork.
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From what we know of the Krork, they might not need the help.
They are both one of the larger unified forces in the galaxy, with tens of thousands of worlds and a population of something like a quadrillion, and one of the advanced, using brutally powerful psychic powers in conjuration with technology that only the Necrons and Eldar can hope to match. Currently they are slowly and steadily expanding, preparing themselves for the many Waaagh that will be directed at them even as Krork Warhosts ravage Orkish domains all over the galaxy under the guidance of the Eldar.
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Huge population, 30+ tech level and brutally powerful psychic powers means they might be able to kill a C'tan by themselves if it's by itself.
 
GhostKing 666 said:
From what we know of the Krork, they might not need the help.

Huge population, 30+ tech level and brutally powerful psychic powers means they might be able to kill a C'tan by themselves if it's by itself.
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I want to be confident of that I really do.

But, this is an apocalypse threat. If its beaten its not going to be by a single threat.

I just wish the heavenly remnants stopped bitching at one another...they'd be a lot more effective if they did.
 
It's clear that Ridcully's vision of the future was a bit blurred.

The Deceiver's Catspaw is the united conglomerate of the Tau and Secundus. Nobody will succeed in discovering this until it is too late - The Galactic Power that is the Deceiver's catspaw doesn't exist yet.
 
Shard said:
It's clear that Ridcully's vision of the future was a bit blurred.

The Deceiver's Catspaw is the united conglomerate of the Tau and Secundus. Nobody will succeed in discovering this until it is too late - The Galactic Power that is the Deceiver's catspaw doesn't exist yet.
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I don't know why people are laughing...that actually sounds possable.

I know we were kinda hoping that the tau/secundus would be able to team up properly (in that they stop attacking eachother at least) and they are already teamed up on the dragon .so I could see a divine-level trickster like the deceiver finding a way to push the temp-alliance further.

not sure how they would become galatic-scale threat however, they are not THAT big.... but apparently we are willing to consider the tau on their own so why not













:p
 
Tom Smith said:
not sure how they would become galatic-scale threat however, they are not THAT big.... but apparently we are willing to consider the tau on their own so why not
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The Deceiver fakes itself out as the Emperor. It gets Space Marines and Humans sacrificing themselves as the Emps did.

AKA Soul Power

>Sustainable Soul Power. No need to even build more cronbodies!
 
Nurgle said:
Doing the helhiem system is the first system and would take the longest. The thing is we are constantly on the defense. The vast majority of our battles have been on the defense so having a advantage that the gravity array would be a huge boon.
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We don't actually know if Helheim would take longer than the rest, and how huge of a boon would it be. It would help, certainly, but personally I'd like to start on making our capital ships better, especially light and escort cruisers that could replace escorts.
 
agumentic said:
We don't actually know if Helheim would take longer than the rest, and how huge of a boon would it be. It would help, certainly, but personally I'd like to start on making our capital ships better, especially light and escort cruisers that could replace escorts.
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We know it would fuck up orks. The minus one speed leaves hulks at speed 1. So we would have twice as long to shoot at them.
 
random_npc said:
We know it would fuck up orks. The minus one speed leaves hulks at speed 1. So we would have twice as long to shoot at them.
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Are speed units actually like that? I see people saying that but I can't find anything in the faqs or datasheets indicating that 2 is twice as fast as 1 rather than just some unspecified degree faster.

Is the speed increase linear with an intercept of 0 like people are assuming, or is it geometric? Is it linear with a small slope and huge intercept?

There's a lot of options.
 
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