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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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Durin said:
The human supremacist organisation that aimed to wrest control of the galaxy from the Eldar for much of the Dark Age <....> were probably the two stupidest.
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To be fair, in Dominion days, Eldars were complete and absolute assholes and wresting control from them would most probably do the galaxy good. It's just that the power disparity was a bit (a lot) too big.
 
Well that was solid turn overall, and a lot of interesting info from Vlad, who we might ask for more story time with in future turns.

Based on the counter intel roll I think we will want to put two actions to it each turn to reduce failure chance further. Also we did well versus psykers this turn and with the reduced casualties to our hunters can build numbers back up a bit, combined with two bonuses to psykers coming online is good.

Also elite primaris Alpha! That has help in the coming years.
 
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1. How long can Phase Lions live?
2. Was He-Who-Walks the large Phase Lion that mauled that Daemon prince in the first incursion?
3. Does Vlad think he could introduce us to the Phase Lions?
Durin said:
Grey Knights secret techniques.
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4. Wait how does she know about them? Did she just see them during the war on two fronts?
 
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Durin said:
High Grandmaster Ridcully spent a year looking into the almost coordinated nature of the recent rogue psyker attacks on Avernus, which until recently have been focused on your psyker hunters forces to an extreme extent. He found that it was a mix of pure chance and varies Psykers trying to kill the psyker hunters knowing that they are the biggest threat. You wondered if that was the case but when dealing with Chaos it is always best to verify your information.
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Well, that was a dud, but it's still interesting that psykers are actually attacking the biggest threat to them, which is essentially suicide, even if it could eventually raise survival chances of future psykers. I guess that's soldier's mentality for you.
 
Durin said:
you are massively overstating how susceptible chaos is to belief.
That is pretty much what the Emperor tried with the Imperial Truth (replacing weak with don't exist) and everyone know the result of that.
Chaos does spread via memetics and does not have any silver bullet solutions, in Embers at least and as far as I can tell in cannon as well.
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If so, I don't see how those "purge the galaxy of life" plans could work.

Not... quite. Imperial Truth forbade Gods and spiritualism and stuff. Not the existence of warp entities. The Five are not fundementally "Gods", we only call them such due to their power, so atheism does not help much.

I really wouldn't call killing the vast majority of Chaos worshippers and pointing all or most of the sophonts in the galaxy in the same direction, keeping it all together while the Five lash out for possibly millenia to be a silver bullet. More of a bog standard Diplomatic Victory.

But to each their own, I will enjoy this quest regardless.
 
Enerael said:
If so, I don't see how those "purge the galaxy of life" plans could work.

Not... quite. Imperial Truth forbade Gods and spiritualism and stuff. Not the existence of warp entities. The Five are not fundementally "Gods", we only call them such due to their power, so atheism does not help much.

I really wouldn't call killing the vast majority of Chaos worshippers and pointing all or most of the sophonts in the galaxy in the same direction, keeping it all together while the Five lash out for possibly millenia to be a silver bullet. More of a bog standard Diplomatic Victory.

But to each their own, I will enjoy this quest regardless.
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Because the chaos gods are based on the existence of their domains not beliefs and draw the majority of their powers from said domains. No matter what you believe if you fight you are feeding the blood god and while conflict exists you will not strip him of power. The other chaos gods have just as hard to get rid of domains.
If you want to kill chaos via starvation what you have to do is change the galaxy so that their domains are to weak to support them, and the easiest way to do that, and possibly the only way would wipe out life.
In other words it's not belief that matters it's actions
 
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Enerael said:
Not... quite. Imperial Truth forbade Gods and spiritualism and stuff. Not the existence of warp entities. The Five are not fundementally "Gods", we only call them such due to their power, so atheism does not help much.
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Neither would, what, making everyone believe that Chaos Gods are weak? Leaving aside problems with it, as they are very evidently not, Chaos Gods don't even get majority of their power from belief.

"Kill everyone in the galaxy" would at least ensure no one is around to stir the Warp or commit Domain actions at all, even if it's still not likely to work.
 
As for the Honeypot Lily, obviously you create Honeypot Lily Deathstrikes. Only on Avernus would you bombard the enemy with luxury food.

"Why are they bombing us with divine nectar?"

And then wildlife.
Durin said:
Because the chaos gods are based on the existence of their domains not beliefs and draw the majority of their powers from said domains. No matter what you believe if you fight you are feeding the blood god and while conflict exists you will not strip him of power. The other chaos gods have just as hard to get rid of domains.
If you want to kill chaos via starvation what you have to do is change the galaxy so that their domains are to weak to support them, and the easiest way to do that, and possibly the only way would wipe out life.
In other words it's not belief that matters it's actions
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I have already suggested my solution!

1. Kill all chaos worshippers.
2. Create new gods to wrest away the chaos gods domains, turning them into minor gods.
3. Kill the now no-longer-major Chaos Gods.
 
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Durin said:
While the initial colonists of Avernus had the traditional view of families in the Imperium centuries on Avernus, with all its dangers and horrors have changed this. The first major adaption that has been made is polygamous marriages becoming common, with marriage groups of three to five being more common as the classic couple.
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Love it, though a minor nitpick. Polygamy is the practice of one person having multiple spouses while Polyamory is a group of people being in a romantic relationship. Also a polyamorous grouping is called a polycule.
 
Actually, I wanna stress this. It means a lot to me to see any piece of fan content (Especially with one with such a diverse fanbase as 40k) not fall into the whole 'Grr strange family structure bad' routine so thanks for going out of your way to include that, @Durin
 
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