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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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I read the Eldar transport as just delivering the forces to Trust space, not risking their ships by delivering them into a warzone.
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Subsector actually...
Kinda?
I mean the one planet they managed to exterminatus didn't exactly have many things there aside from a buried craft world and he got ascension from Khorne.
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Don't really need to. Just expand on the Almita paragraph to make it clear that they're involved in all civilian stuff. Not really that much that needs changing.
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And Callamus leadership plays them like a fiddle since they don't care where the technology comes from. Just that there's new stuff for the wars and forges
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Curse you lack of time!And Callamus leadership plays them like a fiddle since they don't care where the technology comes from. Just that there's new stuff for the wars and forges
Cause I got ideas for cataloguing the bloodline of the Lethe!
Damn you university!
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If people are talking about Callamus, has anyone considered that they might try to turn the Ophelian theocrazy(autocorrupt I decided to keep) against their techpriests, to cripple their economic efficiency and shipbuilding.
If you emulate the thought process of the Ophelians, it becomes readily obvious that Techpriests in their polity are visibly different, privileged, similar to one of their major enemies, and heretical in their beliefs. It should be possible to turn them against techpriests.
BAM, SUBTLETY!
If you emulate the thought process of the Ophelians, it becomes readily obvious that Techpriests in their polity are visibly different, privileged, similar to one of their major enemies, and heretical in their beliefs. It should be possible to turn them against techpriests.
BAM, SUBTLETY!
All of the Abomination serve the Abomination and are the Abomination. Essentially the Abomination would know if someone in the polity was working against them and react. Can't really infiltrate them but they do not well to change.
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Bloodline? Wouldn't they just keep cloning Akadia?
All those loyal in the Imperium served the Emperor. These people who were loyal to the Emperor were still embroiled in a shit-ton of infighting. Abomination slave 1 and Abomination slave 2 might both love the Abomination, but they can still hate each other and try to murder each other. That's the way of Chaos.
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It's balanced out by the complete lack of innovation and flexible thinking. Everything is done by the book, all the time, every time.
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Vertical infighting doesn't happen, but horizontal infighting does. That is, a minion won't disobey his boss, but he will stab his equal.
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comparative being the key word. I suspect different organizations within an abomonite empire do not get along.
dragon
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I thought the attack craft building would be less expensive because we'd use our archeotech store to defray cost.
Is it already used up? We had an awful lot of attack craft even if they were mostly destroyed, we could recycle them rather than making new ones.
Or maybe the mechanicus won't let it go? I think we somehow forgot that we have gigantic storehouses of archeotech that could be repaired for our current forces.
Is it already used up? We had an awful lot of attack craft even if they were mostly destroyed, we could recycle them rather than making new ones.
Or maybe the mechanicus won't let it go? I think we somehow forgot that we have gigantic storehouses of archeotech that could be repaired for our current forces.
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Because cloning 99.9999% times out of ten results in inferior version and as Durin pointed out, Chaos would only need to figure out what would make the original Akadia fall and it would have a much easier time of making a true clone of her fall.
So they add new blood to the line.
There's a couple million Lethes running around.
Not all of em are extraordinary, but more than enough are to ensure that they are always the ones best suited to take the post of Fabricator General (through real merit surprisingly, minimal nepotism.)
We used that up a long time ago IIRC.
dragon
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I don't think we actually had that many attack craft, to use up our store. Like, we have 65k guardian fighers, even if most of them were mostly destroyed. I'm not sure our forces before the expansion were enough to deplete that. Especially as attack craft forces don't get expanded as often as ground forces.
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We also had to replace them in the various battles we've been involved in.
Garkill 2 and 3 War on two fronts, war for Svartheim...
It adds up. Even then I'm fairly sure we used up a good chunk replacing our fighters the first time.
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There's very little passive infighting, but if an Abomination polity descended from the Imperium and an Abomination polity descended from xenos meet they'll fight.
Similarly not all abomination polities descended from the imperium answer to a central authority, they all believe that they are the legitimate successors of the Imperium, though some might have philosophies accepting all who follow a specific set of traditions as legitimate successors of the Imperium.
And the ones that follow different authorities and traditions can fight.
The Angyls care only that tradition and authority are obeyed, and that those who deviate from one's tradition and authority are hated, feared and met with intolerance.
The cultists and followers care about which traditions and authorities are obeyed, and can have social movements that make preexisting traditions more widespread or more violently intolerant towards other subdivisions of the group.
For example, there was that time during the age of the Imperium that a forge world thought they could predict the future in the fluctuations of the astronomicon, gathered a bunch of other groups to believe that, then predicted that the Mechanicus and Ecclesiarchy were destined to merge into one organization etc. etc. Good stuff happens to humanity.
The Ecclesiarchy didn't like that and declared them rebels. A case of two authoritarian traditions coming into conflict.
Abomination polities will never betray their leaders, and might restrict undercutting their rivals to non-Chaos levels through tradition, but when they contain multiple supreme authorities, and multiple all important traditions, and those things come into conflict after previously being aligned they are sure to collapse into a war between what is now essentially separate nations.
I don't think we or anyone other than the eldar are likely to ever manage that on purpose, if it would result in a crippling civil war pragmatic cultists on both sides will work against the possibility, but if it involves purging a minority, then maybe.
Even if that minority keeps all the most useful tech hostage, it then becomes a question of practicality versus principle, and I think the Ophelian theocracy would fall heavily on the side of principle, betting on absolute commands to tech lower ranking captured techpriests to maintain their tech base.
If they even bother thinking beyond their hatred.
The other subtle alternative is somthing that doesn't rely on them being more focused on intolerance than practical gain, and instead relies on them being more focused on tradition than understanding in technology.
Allow me to explain:
If the Ophelians have a habit of stealing or reverse engineering Callamus tech Callamus could implant shutoff systems, or systems designed to subvert and shut off other Imperial tech into their design blueprints, so that when captured stuff is employed by the enemy they are subverting their own systems.
Or they could find/make a tradition, influence building, and proselytizing obsessed group of tech priests that're at a higher tech level than the Ophelians, but who have secret subversion systems in their stuff, and manipulate events such as to make them the dominant group of techpriests in the Theocracy after they become corrupted.
Then after getting this plan setup for hundreds of years they launch a massive campaign to take advantage of these created weaknesses.
The only problem, aside from the much weakened but still fanatical military opposition is that the campaign would be across an unprecedented number of tainted worlds, and attrition might well destroy their armies.
I am firmly convinced that Callamus can beat the Ophelian Theocracy with the right type of long con, taking advantage of inferior social systems around technology. I'm actually more worried about their other neighbors.
Edit, actually Callumus could pay the eldar to help manipulate and topple the Theocracy. That might make it much faster, within a single lifetime with juvenat.
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Callamus seemingly had no real relationship with the eldar before this, and given that we cannot pay for them to do stuff like topple the far less powerful Turoq and we've got something truly valuable to them (Ridcully's time) I'd say that the only time they'd do that is if it was part of a bigger scheme.
The shitty thing is that the Eldar really need to breed faster. If they could do that then they may be able to divert forces for things like that, but there just ain't enough of them trying to put out 10 billion fires.
Sigh...when the next big distraction comes around we need to offer to help them rescue Isha. We don't have much, but Ridcully's assistance +BCS may help.
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You know, if Xavier and Aria figure out why their souls are pure and others not, could psykers learn a ritual where they (perhaps with assistance) could selectively purge the impure parts of their own soul, perhaps with daemonology or pyromancy (oh hey, both their specialties)?
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Call me old fashioned, but lobotomising parts of ones soul with fire or banishing it away seems like it would backfire...
This research does have potential though.
Shard
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But think of the possibilities!
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