The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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I'm gonna agree with Andres and say I really don't like the chosen elite armour look. It's far too far radical a departure from 40k aesthetics. The bubble helm particularly irks me, and also the the armour seems far too bulky, closer to terminator armour or a battlesuit than ignatius, whichs role it basically fills. Doesn't seem remotely suitable to wear for personal protection, only for direct combat. Personal headcannon has elite armour looking much like the power armour of grey knights, but a little more sci-fi and curvy, while being a slightly slimmer fit (edit: and without stupid pauldrons).

If I get around to drawing any characters, that's how I will do them.
 
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and also the the armour seems far too bulky, closer to terminator armour or a battlesuit than ignatius, whichs role it basically fills.

The bulkiness is due to it being a Starcraft design, which actually doesn't get the human proportions right. The picture is more meant to be "this is kind of what this looks like" than an exact image.

As far as general aesthic, I will point out that all the forms of Power Armor used in 40k are not DAoT designs, and are original designs that have been gradually improved (in some cases) over the years.
 
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I'm gonna agree with Andres and say I really don't like the chosen elite armour look. It's far too far radical a departure from 40k aesthetics. The bubble helm particularly irks me, and also the the armour seems far too bulky, closer to terminator armour or a battlesuit than ignatius, whichs role it basically fills. Doesn't seem remotely suitable to wear for personal protection, only for direct combat. Personal headcannon has elite armour looking much like the power armour of grey knights, but a little more sci-fi and curvy, while being a slightly slimmer fit (edit: and without stupid pauldrons).

If I get around to drawing any characters, that's how I will do them.
What departure? 40K aethetics has been all over the place for a very very long time, especially the Imperium's. Personally I've noticed that the trend seems to be more and more actual sci fi, rather than medieval and modern **** with wires.

Also I'm not 100% sure what you mean by not suitable for personal protection, only direct combat? Surely its good for protection in direct combat?
 
@Durin, here's some canon tech from the Chaos weaponry list that we'd have no problem using.

Karceri Battle Shield - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
The Karceri Battle Shield was an auto-reactive armoured shield augmented by a power field carried by Perturabo's Iron Circle. In addition to their individual defensive benefits, their effect was amplified when two or more were in close proximity, and could be used as an improvised close-combat weapon.
Graviton Maul - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
The Graviton Maul was a Graviton Weapon adapted by Perturabo for use by his Iron Circle. A variant on the Mechanicum's Graviton Hammer, these weapons were capable of crushing armoured targets and particularly destructive when employed against fortifications.
Olympia Bolt Cannon - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
The Olympia Bolt Cannon was a Bolt Weapon of Perturabo's own design used by his Iron Circle. Designed to be easily fabricated and supplied by the armouries of the Iron Warriors, it fell between the Heavy Bolter and Mauler Bolt Cannon in power, but with a higher rate of fire than either.
And this is what they all looked like.
 
@Durin, here's some canon tech from the Chaos weaponry list that we'd have no problem using.
Well its technically not chaos weapons it was just stuff used by the Iron Warriors, though I think the shield is the only one we'd really need.

It's all chaosy now, but the designs should be fine if any still exist (after all Perterabo made them so the Iron Warriors likely keep all of the copies the bastards.)

Still hope we can get our own cybernetica going, those are surprisingly powerful and useful for what are effectively supersized remote control cars with guns.

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Still hope we can get our own cybernetica going, those are surprisingly powerful and useful for what are effectively supersized remote control cars with guns.
Well it says here that the reason we can't use the repair robot for war is programming, but programming is something we can change and something the Mechanicus HAS changed after the Horus Heresy. We should have the capacity to make them into proper war robots.
 
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Guys, I just thought of something that we may be able to do, and if we can it'll be HUGE.
Time wasn't something Areatha usually played around with, in fact she did it as rarely as possible. She knew the consequences of manipulating time, speeding it up and slowing it down was usually the fullest extent of what she would do with it.
Areatha is a chronomancer. Rather, she's been a chronomancer for thousands of years before we even met her. The above quote was from before she outwitted Kairos. She would undoubtedly be better now, especially if she got Transcendent after beating Heartslayer.

Point is, she can maybe heal Guilliman! His problem is that he's poisoned, and while the stasis field he's in keeps him from dying, it also prevents anyone from healing him. Because of her infinite multitasking and her power, she is capable of stopping time and healing him at the same time. More than that, she has access to runes and rituals, two things which would make this task greatly easier for her.

We should ask her to do it, or if not then at least ask if she has any advice on how we can heal him. This is too important to not at least ask her about it.
 
1. Ultramarines.
2. Anathame.
1. Ultramarines could canonically be convinced to let aliens bring their leader back to life. They're hardly something that we have no options of going through. I think noting them as a "problem" is spurious and overly pessimistic.
2. It's just a Chaos sword. Transcendent Alpha trumps that. Maybe if it was something like Drach'nyen but the Anathame is super far from being anything like that.
 
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1. Ultramarines could canonically be convinced to let aliens bring their leader back to life. If that's not enough, well, I can't be bothered listing the other potential ways we can convince them. Noting them as a "problem" is spurious and overly pessimistic.
2. It's just a Chaos sword. Transcendent Alpha trumps that. Maybe if it was something like Drach'nyen but the Anathame is super far from being anything like that.
The Anathame is not just a Chaos sword, it is the Chaos sword. It is the thing that turned Horus to heresy. There is a reason nobody has been able to heal Guilliman for the last ten thousand years. Per word of god it would take divine intervention to heal.
 
The Anathame is not just a Chaos sword, it is the Chaos sword. It is the thing that turned Horus to heresy. There is a reason nobody has been able to heal Guilliman for the last ten thousand years. Per word of god it would take divine intervention to heal.
Looking at its Lexicanum page and it looks like it's just a Chaos sword. Some primitive gorilla-like sub-race of the Interex made it. Hell, the thing wasn't even unique, which makes it even weaker as per the inverse ninja law. Besides that, all that sword did was poison Horus. It was Lorgar and a bunch of cultists doing a Chaos ritual on him that turned him into a heretic. Finally, the reason Guilliman can't be healed is, as has been stated, because he's in stasis. It's impossible to affect anything inside stasis. To heal him they'd have to take him out of stasis, but as soon as they did he'd die of the poison.

It's just a Nurgle sword. There's nothing special about it.

fakedit: Looking at Lexicanum more it doesn't seem like the Anathame was even used against Guilliman. It just said Fulgrim stabbed him in the neck with a poisoned blade. Neither the Anathame's page, Fulgrim's page, nor Guilliman's page say he used the Anathame to do that. Just a poison blade.
 
1. Ultramarines could canonically be convinced to let aliens bring their leader back to life. They're hardly something that we have no options of going through. I think noting them as a "problem" is spurious and overly pessimistic.
2. It's just a Chaos sword. Transcendent Alpha trumps that. Maybe if it was something like Drach'nyen but the Anathame is super far from being anything like that.
1. Canonically they were desperate, the shrine was going to be over run anyway and the people convincing them to open up with the Eldar were Saint Celestian, Inquisitor Greyfax, Archmagos Cawl with the Armour of fate and Grey Knights. This is not canon. We maybe able to get in, but I'd wager Lin and the Primarch's will need to vouch for her at a minimum.
2. Andres logic. A "mere" chaos blade is not enough to put a Primarch on the brink of death with a single cut. It requires a planet exploding in their face to send them into a coma and they pick themselves up after being shot in the face with titan scale plasma guns (and that was Lorgar the physically weakest Primarch), and Anathame required the chaos god's themselves to heal him. Maybe it might have been avoided if they had Librarians, but either way a single cut from the whole blade was all that was required to bring Horus to the brink of death. Even when it was young it was "no mere chaos blade" and can you think of single more important artefact than the sword that started the Horus Heresy? Maybe the Golden Throne, but other than that? So I'd say it's fair to say that it's been enhanced by 15 thousand years of influencing the galaxy due to that one action.

If you need any more proof Anathame is also the only other weapon in setting that I know off that can perform a similar "cutting into and out of reality" thing as Drach'nyen. In fact they seem to be able to do it on a much wider scale, a single shard letting an entire ship translate to the Warp without needing to do normal calculations or even charge it's warp drive. Again normal chaos blades do not do that.

Additional proof of how hard it is to heal is that the Eldar are actively looking for a way to do just that, but they haven't found a way and they have...well more everything. Skilled chronomasters, dedicated healers and at least 2 active gods and they can't fix it.

fakedit: Looking at Lexicanum more it doesn't seem like the Anathame was even used against Guilliman. It just said Fulgrim stabbed him in the neck with a poisoned blade. Neither the Anathame's page, Fulgrim's page, nor Guilliman's page say he used the Anathame to do that. Just a poison blade.
Actually I can explain this.

Erebus shattered Anathame, to spread its power to more people, Bile got his hands on a shard with he gave to Fulgrim.

Fulgrim used the shard to ascend to Daemon hood in Angel Exterminatus, but he kept the shard, which he later used to stab Gulliman in the neck (can't remember exactly where it was said, but I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere.)

This is important, because the other shards, Athame were held by Erebus and his followers (several have gotten all over the place by now). In this case, the shards seem to be less powerful than the original blade, as Erebus decided to corrupt Gulliman with it like he did Horus, but only lightly stabbed him. The Primarch resisted a non fatal, blow, but it was close.

However, at the battle of Thessala where Fulgrim laid him low, Fulgrim attacked that same spot that Erebus had hid centuries earlier, which was permanently weaker, but he also aimed to kill with his anathame.
 
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