It doubles the cost and one year will make no difference since we do not get the ships for 20 so it does not matter.
@DeusFerreus will do
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
IMO we can wait abit.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Every other project in that slot is done 1 year faster. 1 year is absolutely worth it, for that cost. Especially since time is at a massive premium.
No we can't afford to keep expedite and double down everything possible because we need to resources in other places. We are spending too much now in projects we desperately need and should not in projects that are not nessary. One year does not matter since it will be 3 years without the expedite till we get the fleet.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
This statement is wrong on multiple levels.
It takes 16 years expedite takes one year off we get the fleet we ordered arrives in 20. We have no reason to rush the building. We need to save money for the other projects that are coming up.
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
The cost of expediting the huge shipyard fails to reach even a single percent of our reserves. We could expedite it 5 times over and it still would not reach a single percent for any category of resources we use.
Your statement can be rephrased, literally, as 'I can't buy this delicous bread at $10 as compared to one at $5 because I need to spend the money elsewhere, even though I'm a millionaire and my expenses elsewhere are hardly on that level'.
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You are wasting money and we need to save ever bit for the coming project. We have at least 5 hives we are going to build, than the aircraft, followed by hopefully a huge forge hive. Ever cent count. I am trying to save every bit possible.
That is a bad attitude to have money and most millionaires don't stay millionaires by not keeping track of every cent. Extravagant spending and needless spending has ruined many families wealth.
Carlos Slim Helu is one of the richest men in the world has lived in the same house. He does not spend frivolous. Bill gates is giving away most of his fortune and doing a lot of good but that he still budgets what he does.
The people who loose money the quickest are the ones who win the Lottery. 3 our of ever 5 end up broke or in deep financial debt because they have the attitude of not watching money. Every cent counts and can be used.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Just so you know, this is an important military project which is also low-cost, and you are proposing we cut spending on this project in a situation where we are at war. Your situation and ours are COMPLETELY INCOMPARABLE.
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No it's not, budgeting is budgeting no matter what country you are in or what Time it is the same. I am not comparing it to me but the richest men in the world. It is a expense we do not need to have.
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Well @Durin , here's my contributions to possible Roskilde goodies. Not super familiar with Warhammer 40k lore, so some of these may be existent already or not possible based on setting conceit.
Advanced
Warp Shunt: The first part of the DAoT's experiments in Warp transit infrastructure comparable to the Eldar Webway, the Warp Shunt is a stationary permanent gate to the Warp with multiple overlapping gellar fields designed to allow smaller vessels with lower power generation to punch deeper into the warp than they can dive on their own. This allows them to go to limit of what their onboard Gellar fields can sustain rather than the depth they can dive to, and thus travel on stronger Warp currents. In addition to staggering expense, proper use requires Warp Shunts on both ends of desired flight paths, as vessels shunted deeper than they can get on their own cannot return on their own as well.
Experimental
(Can't think of a good name): The second part of the Warp infrastructure experiments, this station is equipped with massive cogitator banks designed for predicting warp currents and a Gellar field emitter arrays intended to project Warp calming pockets across astronomical distances. Since material science had not yet developed materials capable of withstanding the stresses of transitioning between different layers of the Warp, it was felt a possible alternative was to have a large station sitting at one place in the warp carefully creating and arranging blockages to redirect Warp currents into useful patterns rather than blocking them off completely was more viable. Unfortunately, the project was not as successful as the Warp Shunt; fields could only be projected a short distance of perhaps a dozen light years in real space and doing so created zones of highly dangerous radiation near the station. These zones created intense amounts of wear and tear on the station itself as well as killing any organic within several light seconds of the station, meaning they required either multiple men of stone/iron or experienced technicians capable of using remote waldoes with several seconds of lag to run the frequent maintenance operations necessary.
Advanced
Warp Shunt: The first part of the DAoT's experiments in Warp transit infrastructure comparable to the Eldar Webway, the Warp Shunt is a stationary permanent gate to the Warp with multiple overlapping gellar fields designed to allow smaller vessels with lower power generation to punch deeper into the warp than they can dive on their own. This allows them to go to limit of what their onboard Gellar fields can sustain rather than the depth they can dive to, and thus travel on stronger Warp currents. In addition to staggering expense, proper use requires Warp Shunts on both ends of desired flight paths, as vessels shunted deeper than they can get on their own cannot return on their own as well.
Experimental
(Can't think of a good name): The second part of the Warp infrastructure experiments, this station is equipped with massive cogitator banks designed for predicting warp currents and a Gellar field emitter arrays intended to project Warp calming pockets across astronomical distances. Since material science had not yet developed materials capable of withstanding the stresses of transitioning between different layers of the Warp, it was felt a possible alternative was to have a large station sitting at one place in the warp carefully creating and arranging blockages to redirect Warp currents into useful patterns rather than blocking them off completely was more viable. Unfortunately, the project was not as successful as the Warp Shunt; fields could only be projected a short distance of perhaps a dozen light years in real space and doing so created zones of highly dangerous radiation near the station. These zones created intense amounts of wear and tear on the station itself as well as killing any organic within several light seconds of the station, meaning they required either multiple men of stone/iron or experienced technicians capable of using remote waldoes with several seconds of lag to run the frequent maintenance operations necessary.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
For your entire thesis on how we need to save resources everywhere including the military while another polity is trying to wipe us out. Like, actual numbers. Not 'we are Greece we need to save money NOWNOWNOW' statement.
We needed the AM to do the upgrades and to grow the economy without it all the projects we have would not be possible. We could not do the mines, factory, nursery, tithe, or anything involving Am and would have to cut back.
For your entire thesis on how we need to save resources everywhere including the military while another polity is trying to wipe us out. Like, actual numbers. Not 'we are Greece we need to save money NOWNOWNOW' statement.
I have said it before and will say it agian Avernus is not Greece. Avernus has resources that people want, no Brian drain to other European countries, industry that is growing, a highly educated populace that pays taxes, a non corrupt government. Greece needs austerity because their spending far exceeded thier incoming revenue and they lied about thier GDP numbers.
I believe we need to save ever chance we get since we have even more costs coming up.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
I fear a little bit of setting conciet, but yeah this kinda does already exist after a fashion, its called Dark Glass Dark Glass - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
I am looking at the increase form 1.5 billion thrones to 3 billion for one year of construction.
I am sure that our ~120 billion income and ~800 billion reserves can take it.
Yeah, I knew there was stuff about piggybacking onto the Webway, but this is more along the lines of trying to build their own version. It's probably more effective than any canon attempts would have been, but it also doesn't take Chaos/daemons into account, so who knows. I was actually mostly worried about whether redirecting warp currents was possible, because most of the fluff I've seen has been along the lines of "If you can find currents to take advantage of, great. Otherwise, you're SOL". Other drawbacks include being extra vulnerable to Warp storms, being incredibly obvious to everybody else, easily usable by other polities as well as our own, and not helping to project power beyond just making it easier to shuffle defenders around.
- Location
- Back in Cali
[X] Plan Nurgle T113
It is a expense we do not have to do but it is not the only one. We have huge projects coming up and every little bit will count.
- Location
- United states
So should we maybe actually consider doing the expansion for the Admech army? Because considering how important our forge moon is having an elite army to guard the place just makes sense.
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
Now that I look at it
@Durin
1. Why did our throne income plummeted from 281B on turn 112 to 120B on this turn? Especially since Integrated Banking Systems just finished.
- Location
- madison
Rockslide tech
Normal:
collapsible defenses: a line of orbital fortress and defense up to defense station sized designed to be broken down into components and shipped between worlds via mass conveyers. defense stations require several components to that must be fused together over several weeks, but all smaller defenses can be brought online within days of being unpacked. however a number of desing compromises where necessary to enable the weapons to be broken down enough for transport. Resulting in both reduced durability, and increased upkeep. Recovered manuals make mention of variants that further reduce performance to optimize the salvage value of the platforms to a new colony.
Damocles Destroyer :
A variant of the decent class Destroyer the Damocles is intended to engage fortifications and super heavy combatants. it's primary armament is trio of spinal mounted weapons that appear to be similar down lance battery. The typical load out appears to be one haywire cannon and 2 Melta cannons, but variant loadouts exist. the immense power draw and size of the main guns leaves little space or power for secondary weapons, leaving the Damocles extremely vulnerable to enemy airpower. Furthermore while the cannons are immensely destructive, their spinal mount means brining them to bear on all but the largest super heavies or fortifications is difficult.
advanced
DeathRain ICBM: A MIRV variant of the typical Deathstrike Missile the DeathRain variant is far more destructive, being able to deliver a half dozen sub warheads each almost as devastating as a typical Deathstrike. The missile is far larger than a typical Deathstrike missile, requiring either a super heavy launch or fixed position to act as a launch platform. The initial boost phase is similar to a typical Deathstrike, though it requires significant time to accelerate to cruising speed, giving it a large minimum range and creating a window of vulnerability at the launch site.Once within range of the target, the primary vehicle detonates, propelling the secondary warheads towards their targets at speeds typically associated with kinetic weapons. Compared to a standard dethstrike The Primary delivery vehicle is significantly harder to shoot down, as the increased size allows for a greater number of penetration aids, and the secondary warheads are all but immune to interception due to their extreme speed. As could be expected a Death Rain ICBM is far more expensive than a Deathstrike missile. The primary advantage overall seem to be a far greater ability to penetrate enemy anti-air nets.
Sky burner: A novel application of meltagun technology, the Sky burner uses a wide area melta pulse to ignite the atmosphere in massive area. While combustion can only be maintained for a brief period of time before smoke and debris become to thick to maintain the effect the brief firestorm and the melta pulse that induces it is well suited to destroy lightly armored vehicles. The primary use of this system appears to be as a form of strategic AA, Destroying all fighters in a wide area. As could be expected the power draw and size of the system is immense, at present only hive cites would be able to mount the system, and even then only at great cost.
Experimental
Grav enforcer: An extremely advanced bit of techno arcana the Gtrav enforcer disrupts all known forms of gravity manipulation when activated. It appears to have been intended to shield human fleets from the grav weapon favored by the Men of iron. Use on an existing gravity well greatly reduces the range, in space it can cover an entire fleet. The effect grows stronger towards the center, with the ship bearing this devices being all but immune to even the most devastating Grav weaponry known. However the affect does not distinguish between friend or foe, or even weapons or other uses of grav manipulation. Disrupting the grav plates used by most warships to the point of uselessness, greatly limiting the maxims safe acceleration or deceleration.
Normal:
collapsible defenses: a line of orbital fortress and defense up to defense station sized designed to be broken down into components and shipped between worlds via mass conveyers. defense stations require several components to that must be fused together over several weeks, but all smaller defenses can be brought online within days of being unpacked. however a number of desing compromises where necessary to enable the weapons to be broken down enough for transport. Resulting in both reduced durability, and increased upkeep. Recovered manuals make mention of variants that further reduce performance to optimize the salvage value of the platforms to a new colony.
Damocles Destroyer :
A variant of the decent class Destroyer the Damocles is intended to engage fortifications and super heavy combatants. it's primary armament is trio of spinal mounted weapons that appear to be similar down lance battery. The typical load out appears to be one haywire cannon and 2 Melta cannons, but variant loadouts exist. the immense power draw and size of the main guns leaves little space or power for secondary weapons, leaving the Damocles extremely vulnerable to enemy airpower. Furthermore while the cannons are immensely destructive, their spinal mount means brining them to bear on all but the largest super heavies or fortifications is difficult.
advanced
DeathRain ICBM: A MIRV variant of the typical Deathstrike Missile the DeathRain variant is far more destructive, being able to deliver a half dozen sub warheads each almost as devastating as a typical Deathstrike. The missile is far larger than a typical Deathstrike missile, requiring either a super heavy launch or fixed position to act as a launch platform. The initial boost phase is similar to a typical Deathstrike, though it requires significant time to accelerate to cruising speed, giving it a large minimum range and creating a window of vulnerability at the launch site.Once within range of the target, the primary vehicle detonates, propelling the secondary warheads towards their targets at speeds typically associated with kinetic weapons. Compared to a standard dethstrike The Primary delivery vehicle is significantly harder to shoot down, as the increased size allows for a greater number of penetration aids, and the secondary warheads are all but immune to interception due to their extreme speed. As could be expected a Death Rain ICBM is far more expensive than a Deathstrike missile. The primary advantage overall seem to be a far greater ability to penetrate enemy anti-air nets.
Sky burner: A novel application of meltagun technology, the Sky burner uses a wide area melta pulse to ignite the atmosphere in massive area. While combustion can only be maintained for a brief period of time before smoke and debris become to thick to maintain the effect the brief firestorm and the melta pulse that induces it is well suited to destroy lightly armored vehicles. The primary use of this system appears to be as a form of strategic AA, Destroying all fighters in a wide area. As could be expected the power draw and size of the system is immense, at present only hive cites would be able to mount the system, and even then only at great cost.
Experimental
Grav enforcer: An extremely advanced bit of techno arcana the Gtrav enforcer disrupts all known forms of gravity manipulation when activated. It appears to have been intended to shield human fleets from the grav weapon favored by the Men of iron. Use on an existing gravity well greatly reduces the range, in space it can cover an entire fleet. The effect grows stronger towards the center, with the ship bearing this devices being all but immune to even the most devastating Grav weaponry known. However the affect does not distinguish between friend or foe, or even weapons or other uses of grav manipulation. Disrupting the grav plates used by most warships to the point of uselessness, greatly limiting the maxims safe acceleration or deceleration.
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sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
- Location
- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
Your special fighter literally is a End-of-Series Gundam as shown by the Universal Century series' (Mobile Suit Gundam and it's sequals; Space Psychics), the Cosmic Era series (Gundam Seed; Genetic Engineering PLUS Space Psychics), and the Quantum bullshittery from Gundam 00 (Uh, Quantum Mechanics gives you teleportation, telepathy, and the ability to communicate with Liquid Metal Hive Mind Aliens that think macro scale mecha and meat peoples are just fancy braille, Right?). Still inferior to G Gundam's full on Fighting Spirit stuff (Gurren Lagann is basically G Gundam, replacing fighting Tournament with DRILLS). Blech, tangent. But yeah, Gundams are normally super prototypes in the (Semi)Real-Robot Genre that get to use Psychics for no adequately explained reason. That also means they are prone to random failures and what not as well, but whatevs I can blow up massive space citadels in shot (Gundam WIng, and their 16 meter mechs that weigh only 7 tons!)