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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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Isn't that a common complaint about them? That they're too goody-two-shoes for the setting?
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I am really not fond of that kind of attitude. Because honestly that is just being really insulting and dismissive to a ton of people who put in a lot of work on their omakes with a few of them being really good and even outright influencing the quest since the QM like it a lot themselves with examples being Arathea and the Nynye. One of the things QMs really appreciate is when people who like their work enough take the time to add to their world with them even outright being inspired and liking some omakes enough to write it into the main quest themselves because they were that good.
That kind of attitude is not alright since it's outright dismissive of a ton of people's work into a quest they are invested in. You are pretty much saying that we should not even bother with anything done by fans even if said works were pretty amazing and people are genuinly interested. That kind of thing is just asking people to not be nearly as interested in writing omakes.
Like if I wrote an omake creating a people I don't really expect it to get much attention or even for people to be interested enough to care to think about them much. Still I'd like to make one in the hopes that people would like it enough to maybe have people look into it or maybe even get a line in the main quest. But I am pretty sure it's not going to be one of the greats. But that doesn't really bother me since I don't really do most omakes for rewards, I do them for fun and because I actually like a quest to try to add something to it which includes outright non canon omakes made purely for fun.
But if a lot more people had your attitude then I would be way less enthuasiastic about writing omakes if people are going to be dismissive about them right off the bat.
I know this comes across as a bit ranty but as someone who if they ever QMed would love it if they got even a tenth of the people that quests like Durin has that are invested enough to try to add to their world it just aggravates me to see that kind of behavior in quests.
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GhostKing 666
Bringing Nightmares to life evey minute
The Emperor only had one rule when it came to xenos during the Great Crusade. If it was a threat to humanity, exterminate it, for everything else he left the decision to the local imperial commander in charge.
The reason why the imperium ended up xenophobic was because the Age of Strife was a terrible time for humanity, and for every xenos race that was pretty decent, ten to twenty more either monstrously cruel, monstrously barbaric or monstrously lovecraftian, or some combination, seeing the isolated and ruined survivors of humanity either as a resource to exploit, food to eat, target practice, toys to play with, or a nuisance in the way of their own colonial efforts or some combination there of.
The Great Crusade got its start by purging the Sol System of those types of xenos, and most of the great crusade was spent encountering human worlds that had been the victims of said races(often in the middle of the act). There are very good reasons why most human worlds joined the imperium willingly and happily, and why most of the humans from said worlds hated xenos with a passion and not just because the Emperor pushed a belief in the divinity and supremacy of humanity.
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- Asia
If the update says they are working together, then I am going to assume they are working together. That's all I got say about it.
Yeah they are pretty banal in their evilness.
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- United states
Have you read most of the W40K stuff? Because the canon stuff if massive. There are liteally hundreds of chapters of space marines, dozens of unique units of Imperial guards from dozens of planets with their own backstory, several factions in the inquisition itself, several novels of many wars happening in different books, hundreds of named characters and this is for the human factions alone. Seriously, I was extremely surprised to find myself having spent several hours on 1d4chan reading about a ton of human related material alone and I didn't even make it half way through the stuff.
And more is added to the 40K verse all the time and this has been happening for decades. So really don't think it's that much of a problem, especailly since a lot of races aren't actually that important in the grand scheme of things.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
PFHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA
I'm sorry, but Fork and Mork.
I love that we have change Gorks name to Fork
rofl:rofl:.Oh, but seriously Ridcully gets his rerolls applied to everything whether he's working on a project or not so we can take it now. We may not be able to work on the info until after he's done his project, but still.
It was one I had with them too, but I started to think about them more and I started to actually like that about them.
They're the youngest race, their special in the same way humanity is special (seriously people always talk about the plot armour Tau, but never about the plot armour humans), there's no reason for them to be dicks like the rest of the setting and their naivete often comes back to bite them as well like the Medusa V warp rift where they tried to analyse it and came away smoking shoving an equivalent of "HERE BE DRAGONS" on it.
A rule that was conveniently absent whenever humans and aliens were living side by side, such as when Vulkan came across survivors of Noctern raids and Eldar living together quite peacefully on the same world.
Yes, so many xenos, kinda surprising then that most of the fighting was done with non compliant human worlds then. The first major encounter with any alien threat wasn't until the Ak'Harith, a species that needed to be wiped out, yet for some reason they went out of their way to wipe out the Tarellians who by all accounts were no more assholeish than humans at worst and were establishing a proper civilisation. Why go for them and virus bomb them out of existence, rather than try to wipe out the Khrave, a species of slavers who can grow to match Primarchs in size at least if given time? Of course things like the Extinction of Katara didn't help, as whenever a reasonable xenos species came along they seemed that it was better to die than live under the Imperium...weirdos.
Also which xenos were these that were in Sol? Apart from Jupiter which was apparently occupied by "cruel xenos overlords," but these overlords are not even named.
And yes so many humans joined willingly, I guess this is why the GC was constantly putting down rebellions from its earliest days several of which did real damage, the Praxil rebellion, the Geneseed Crisis created by rebellious Selenites that crippled the Emperors Children, the Proximan rebellion that nearly killed the Emperor through use of a Vortex weapon and these are just the ones that happened in the first years of the Great Crusade, not even mentioning the ones like Castegation of Terentius or Osirus rebellion. There's a good reason so many worlds were constantly rebelling.
Sigh. You're not wrong of course I just dispute the scale slightly, I just get irritated that we're fighting against the idiocy of a man dead 14 thousand years because he couldn't be bothered to do what the Interex were willing to do. Lazy bastard.
Or perhaps they ain't evil.
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@Doomed Wombat with double down and traits it is 76 . With a reroll it is 91. So at best the transcendent path has a 31 percent chance of passing. Wait two turns and we can get it to 51 percent with Ridicully and a maybe a syngery bonus too. It makes more sense mathematically to do a nature of a god or pantheon.which have a higher chance of success so we do not waste Saint Lin's very valuable time.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Pray tell how will Ridcully be helping out then after two turns. The update makes no mention that Ridcully's assistance will help in this regard, there's no option for Ridcully to assist, and to my knowledge we don't know of a bonus to the thing if Ridcully divines it.
Unless of course you asked and I missed it, in which case I apologise, but still think it is best to get on with it ASAP.
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Perhaps.
By the way, does anyone know what's up with the Dark Angels ? Have we divined them already ?
Maybe we should divine the Rock to see if Lion'el Johnson has awoken .
I know they are kinda rude and standoffish in general, but it would be worthwhile to do a trade with them.
They have those anti-chaos Xeno helpers that look minions from Despicable Me. I think they are called Watchers in the Dark or something. They suppress chaos psyker powers, which is something we could use.
Those little guys healed Lion'el or at least are in the process of healing Lion'el Johnson. So they might come useful in healing Roboute Gulliman.
GhostKing 666
Bringing Nightmares to life evey minute
Like I said, if the xenos weren't a threat to humanity, he left the decision on what to do to the local imperial commander. If said commander wanted to either ignore the xenos, make them a xenos protectorate(like the Adminstratum thought should have happened with the Laer) or just exterminate the xenos anyway, he didn't care(well he would have cared about the Laer but only because they worshipped Chaos). Had Horus's efforts to being the Interex into the Imperium, xenos and all, not been sabotaged by Chaos then the Emperor would have been perfectly fine with it.
The Great Crusade was far, far to big an undertaking, and the Imperium's command and control capabilities far to limited for the Emperor to personally control anything beyond his immediate vicinity beyond laying some general rules and guidelines. That was literally the reason why Lorgar was able to get away with building temples to the Emperor and converting entire planets to emperor worship for a hundred years before his Legion's slow pace of compliance caused people higher up to start paying more attention to him.
If Ridicully divines the subject being researched it gives a bonus to Saint Lin research. That is why I want to wait to do it. Otherwise at best we have a 31 percent chance of pass.
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sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
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- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
We will divine the Dark Angels if we ever decide to trade with them or if it's one of the Divinations Eldrad wants from Ridcully. And as far as The Lion goes, in universe there are only 3 people who know The Lion is not a subatomic smear: The Emperor (who Durin confirmed did not mention it to Saint Lin), Luther (Who is insane), and the Watchers in the Dark. At most Cypher would be a 4th. We literally have no in-universe reason to be Divining any dead or "dead" Primarchs unless someone in universe explicitly requests it. This has already been brought up across the last 5+ pages.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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We divined them when we divined all first founding chapters. Current status a bit of a mess.
The Rock's got the largest group of unforgiven and the group that's closest to the DA, and on the surface all is cozy, but underneath its an utter cluster **** with several groups infighting between inner circles.
This was a while ago though, so maybe they're on track.
And yeah the Watchers in the Dark are...well they're a thing. I dunno what they are nobody does, except that Chaos doesn't like em.
I'd actually like to know where you got that info from (the thing on Emps leaving it to his commanders). I know I've seen it before (somewhere), but I can't find it and I'm actually starting to doubt it. All I can find is the thing saying that Emps doing the whole manifest destiny thing and penning "suffer not the alien to live" with Horus and Fulgrim interacting with them being protested by their legions because of that command. This maybe old lore however.
Regardless it'd hold much more weight if there were any examples of a xenos protectorate being established under these rules by Vulkan or Sanguinius, but there's nothing there, making it more likely that the general order was "kill em."
I call BS on the GC being a far too big undertaking for emps to have a direct hand in things, this was when humanity could move across the galaxy in a matter of months due to the warp being less of a nightmare, the new astronomicon ect. and Emps is the most powerful human psyker meaning he can likely increase his personal speed even more. There's a more sinister reason behind why Emps let Lorgar get away with what he did for so long, one that even has back up in universe and I personally subscribe to (for now), but that's getting off topic.
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I would rather have Ridcully divine about Bjorn Fell-Handed. Since Durin said that thanks to his new transcendent trait that gained during the Battle with Abbdon, it was possible for him to have survived the blast.
Then we can ask the Eldars to recover him and then we gain the being who was the closest to killing Abbdon for good.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
On the Xenos:
Nephilim come to mind. Yes, they were exterminated, but Horus was going "Alright, you stay the fuck away, we stay the fuck away" negotiation wise with them in the Crusade.
Then it was discovered that they were horrible terrible people.
Which is really the story of the alien in 40k.
Horrible terrible people who need to die in painful ways.
Nephilim come to mind. Yes, they were exterminated, but Horus was going "Alright, you stay the fuck away, we stay the fuck away" negotiation wise with them in the Crusade.
Then it was discovered that they were horrible terrible people.
Which is really the story of the alien in 40k.
Horrible terrible people who need to die in painful ways.
Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Eldar Trade
-Y3: Increase PDF Tithe
Filling obligations and Tithe
Void Command
SLOT A (Construct) - Year 2
-Y2: Construct: Defence Monitors
-Y5: Construct Defence Cruisers and Monitor for Trust
SLOT B - Year 3
-Y3: Huge Shipyard
I want to get Avernus Defense ships up before we start exporting. Huge shipyard is a must.
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1: saving this for the best hunter on Avernus
Y2: Investigate Relationship (Svartalfheim,Admech)
Y3: Investigate Relationship (Core worlds, Colonies)
Y4: Make a Request (Helping Ridcully with his Research)
Y5: Investigate Relationship (Avernus, Svartalfheim)
Waiting to see if we can higher someone
Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Greater Psyker Hunting
-Y2: Greater Psyker Hunting
-Y3: Greater Psyker Hunting
-Y4: Counter-Intelligence
-Y5: Counter-Intelligence
I am going to keep Jane Busy doing the usual so next turn she can do one hunting action next turn than start the blank training.
AdMech
Biologis
SLOT B - Year 3 unknown examination
Any
Slot C -
-Y1: Oversee the Forge Advanced Material
-Y2: Biologis Expedition
Doing one Forge action than the Expedition
Ministorum
SLOT A
-Y1: The Nature of Slannesh
-Double Down
SLOT B
- Year 4 The Nature of Khorne
-Double Down
Studying the gods because they have the best chance of success and we need the knowledge to deal with Chaos
Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 2 (Xavier)
-Year 2 Basic Alkahestry
SLOT B - Year 2 (Tamia)
-Y2 : Establish new Psyker City: Avernus' Spine
SLOT C - Year 1 (Aria)
-Y1: Establish Unseen University Branch: Vanaheim
SLOT D - Free Divination
-Y1: Greater Divination (Eldar Choice)
I changed things around so Xavier and Tamia stay on planet with the kids
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Administrative Shake up
-Y2: Personal Attention: Expedition: Region Theta
-Double down
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Thaddeus Expertise (Quartok City)
SLOT C - Year 3
-Y3: Administrative Shake up
-Y4: Administrative Shake up
-Y5: Administrative Shake up
SLOT D - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Clara & Cassandra)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Clara & Cassandra)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Clara & Cassandra)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Clara & Cassandra)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Jane)
To the North and the much needed economic actions. Seriously we need to start doing them. Thaddeus building the City for Best alien friends. Than spending time with the kids and Jane.
@Durin Is getting Sir Pellinore a Diplomatic action or not?
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Eldar Trade
-Y3: Increase PDF Tithe
Filling obligations and Tithe
Void Command
SLOT A (Construct) - Year 2
-Y2: Construct: Defence Monitors
-Y5: Construct Defence Cruisers and Monitor for Trust
SLOT B - Year 3
-Y3: Huge Shipyard
I want to get Avernus Defense ships up before we start exporting. Huge shipyard is a must.
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
Y1: saving this for the best hunter on Avernus
Y2: Investigate Relationship (Svartalfheim,Admech)
Y3: Investigate Relationship (Core worlds, Colonies)
Y4: Make a Request (Helping Ridcully with his Research)
Y5: Investigate Relationship (Avernus, Svartalfheim)
Waiting to see if we can higher someone
Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Greater Psyker Hunting
-Y2: Greater Psyker Hunting
-Y3: Greater Psyker Hunting
-Y4: Counter-Intelligence
-Y5: Counter-Intelligence
I am going to keep Jane Busy doing the usual so next turn she can do one hunting action next turn than start the blank training.
AdMech
Biologis
SLOT B - Year 3 unknown examination
Any
Slot C -
-Y1: Oversee the Forge Advanced Material
-Y2: Biologis Expedition
Doing one Forge action than the Expedition
Ministorum
SLOT A
-Y1: The Nature of Slannesh
-Double Down
SLOT B
- Year 4 The Nature of Khorne
-Double Down
Studying the gods because they have the best chance of success and we need the knowledge to deal with Chaos
Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 2 (Xavier)
-Year 2 Basic Alkahestry
SLOT B - Year 2 (Tamia)
-Y2 : Establish new Psyker City: Avernus' Spine
SLOT C - Year 1 (Aria)
-Y1: Establish Unseen University Branch: Vanaheim
SLOT D - Free Divination
-Y1: Greater Divination (Eldar Choice)
I changed things around so Xavier and Tamia stay on planet with the kids
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Administrative Shake up
-Y2: Personal Attention: Expedition: Region Theta
-Double down
SLOT B - Year 2
-Y2: Thaddeus Expertise (Quartok City)
SLOT C - Year 3
-Y3: Administrative Shake up
-Y4: Administrative Shake up
-Y5: Administrative Shake up
SLOT D - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Clara & Cassandra)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Clara & Cassandra)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Clara & Cassandra)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Clara & Cassandra)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Jane)
To the North and the much needed economic actions. Seriously we need to start doing them. Thaddeus building the City for Best alien friends. Than spending time with the kids and Jane.
@Durin Is getting Sir Pellinore a Diplomatic action or not?
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Don't be generalising.
Some do need to be killed of that there can be no doubt Megarachnids, Rak'gol, , but not even close to all of them.
Did the Kinebrach who joined peacefully with the Interex deserve to die even though they could have fought and instead accepted certain restrictions upon themselves, did the Tarrellians deserve to have their home world virus bombed out of existence just as their civilisation was burgeoning. Did the Diasporex who had a large population of Humans living under them who refused to leave them when offered out of loyalty to their apparently very kind "alien overlords" deserve to be wiped out by the Iron Hands and Emperor's children? They would have been quite happy to be left alone in fact the last word of their species was just that. Such a mighty threat to the Imperium that.
And by 40K proper try to look at it from the point of view of the alien. They're tiny insignificant specks in the face of a vast overwhelming horde of expansionist genocidal maniacs.
Edit: I'm getting too worked up about this and I'm not even sure if you're joking.
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As described by Imperial sources.... Patron me if I take that rationalization with a small mountain of salt, especially with civilizations like the Interex clearly proving the exception to the supposed rule.
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- United states
Another positive with getting Blank Polar Bears. They are mass producible and combat ready Avernite predators that also happen to be blanks. Blanks are valuable as hell, so potentially having access to mass producible units of them that are naturally combat ready would be invaluable. Especially if we can export them since I imagine many other polities would be thrilled with being able to produce reliably mass produce able combat ready blanks.
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- Back in Cali
So I was watching some YouTube videos on navigators and it got me thinking we should probably bring it up during the up coming conference. Since our navigators didn't get diminished after the fall they would be useful for getting advantageous breeding contracts. If any of the other factions has info on making navigators along with what we have it might eventually become possible to make entirely new navigators. This could help with the mutation issue that the houses tend to have.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
And lets see if we can get the Nilfar riding them.
Blanks on blanks
.Now that is an idea.
House Norn wasn't affected by the end of the Paternova cycle...its certainly a possibility. They're also much less mutated...
@Nurgle
1. A possible request would be about the to be explored region. Either as a guide (unlikely as she is still busy with Jacob in year 1 & 2) or by giving some information beforehand.
2. What is your opinion on adding in Diplomacy "Request Information (Nielfheim, Alternative ways to pay back trad dept)"?
1. A possible request would be about the to be explored region. Either as a guide (unlikely as she is still busy with Jacob in year 1 & 2) or by giving some information beforehand.
2. What is your opinion on adding in Diplomacy "Request Information (Nielfheim, Alternative ways to pay back trad dept)"?
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
And lets see if we can get the Nilfar riding them.
Blanks on blanks
Now that is an idea.
House Norn wasn't affected by the end of the Paternova cycle...its certainly a possibility. They're also much less mutated...
Huh, do you suppose the Nilfar would have an easier time riding them because Blanks don't get agitated by Blanks and body language means a lot to more... the word I'm looking for is like primitive and bestial, but not quite the same. The point is that non-humans and humans in stressful situations on a regular basis rely on how you carry yourself as much as what you do and say. An agitated person trying to ride them would probably get the bears agitated too, and the Nilfar wouldn't be affected by the Blank-ness, being Blanks themselves.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Probably. I mean I supposed the first reason why a normal human trying to ride a blank bear would be impossible would likely be the pain associated with being near a powerful blank (assuming the bears are powerful blanks.)
The Nilfar would be fine regardless and likely do quite well.