The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

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    738
Does anyone know where the details on the existing military rebate are?
I'm pretty sure it was discussed last meeting? Are you referring to the tax thing where planets above a certain level of military are taxed less?

And ninja'd by Durin.

Also while you're here, Durin (I think) ok'd my speech thing and apparently it may help get some of the on the wall councillors on our side.
 
Maybe we should add that if the Eldar ask for soldiers as payment we will volunteer Avernus soldiers first because we were the one who brought this up in the first place. It sounds like the kind of concession that would lower some of the ill will over the deal.
 
Argument: The Eldar are a powerful xenos race, and while we should not trust them they are at the last aligned against the Dark Eldar, Chaos (especially Slaanesh), the Orks, and the Necrons, so non-hostile relations would be preferable. Further, we could potentially strengthen ourselves and other major non-Chaos human polities through judicious tech trades and information exchanges, bettering humanity's position in the galaxy.
@Enjou, putting emphasis on the large Ork Waaaghs would help, given that not only are they a threat to us, they're also a threat to what few other uncorrupted human polities remain in the galaxy, including the ones that have Primarchs in them.

On a related note, Vanaheim said that we should only work with the eldar during dire circumstances. As of right now, the Emperor is dead, the Imperium is gone, most of humanity is dead or corrupted, the orks have gotten a massive power boost, the necrons are all awake, and there's a fifth major Chaos God. It's not a stretch to say that we are in dire circumstances.

[X] Propose the Security Council and the Inquisition make a joint study of the viability and requirements of eventually merging our polity with that of the Blood Dragons, to be reported on in a future High Council Session. Otherwise, work to continue improving relations regardless.
What about the Administratum? That kind of merging would require that organisation more than any other by orders of magnitude. There's also the distances involved, so we should check with the chartist captains about it too.
 
Actually that occurs to me

@Durin
1. Anything Klovis/our speech writers think we could improve?
2. What's Klovis's position on the whole Eldar contact thing?
3. In our conversations has he ever said where he and Varques fall on the scale of radical puritan? Cause Klovis who we think worked with the Tempestus Scions seems more radical while Varquez (the unconventional ex rogue trader) seems more puritan...or maybe my read is just wrong.

Maybe we should add that if the Eldar ask for soldiers as payment we will volunteer Avernus soldiers first because we were the one who brought this up in the first place. It sounds like the kind of concession that would lower some of the ill will over the deal.
Good idea. Most effective too.

@Enjou, putting emphasis on the large Ork Waaaghs would help, given that not only are they a threat to us, they're also a threat to what few other uncorrupted human polities remain in the galaxy, including the ones that have Primarchs in them.

On a related note, Vanaheim said that we should only work with the eldar during dire circumstances. As of right now, the Emperor is dead, the Imperium is gone, most of humanity is dead or corrupted, the orks have gotten a massive power boost, the necrons are all awake, and there's a fifth major Chaos God. It's not a stretch to say that we are in dire circumstances.
Well that thing I did has been ok'd so I could add this in?

Also you forgot Chaos is about to get another Major boost and a C'tan is coming back potentially whole.
 
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Actually that occurs to me

@Durin
1. Anything Klovis/our speech writers think we could improve?
2. What's Klovis's position on the whole Eldar contact thing?
3. In our conversations has he ever said where he and Varques fall on the scale of radical puritan? Cause Klovis who we think worked with the Tempestus Scions seems more radical while Varquez (the unconventional ex rogue trader) seems more puritan...or maybe my read is just wrong.


Good idea. Most effective too.


Well that thing I did has been ok'd so I could add this in?

Also you forgot Chaos is about to get another Major boost and a C'tan is coming back potentially whole.
1. not the player
2. he is for at least finding out what the price is, and will wait for that before making any other decsions
3. there location on that spectrum is rather complex, you could call them both moderates but it is more like they are each radical about some things and puritan about others
 
So Durin said that there will be boosts that will make players rage. The only ones that I can think that would make me rage is if all of chaos got a boost or if the Tyranids beat the Night king with most of the Necrons. That last one would be really bad since the Necrons got beat.
 
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Hopefully one of the boosts won't be more chaos gods births since that would seem too much like War of the Krork and cycle of DOOM that's going on there. But it would still be better than one of them dying and making The Qlippoth a thing because those give me nightmares if I think too much about them.
 
So Durin said that there will be boosts that will make players rage. The only ones that I can think that would make me rage is if all of chaos got a boost or if the Tyranids beat the Night king with most of the Necrons. That last one would be really bad since the Necrons got beat.
Best guesses;
-Chaos: Eldar Tech/Dark Eldar Souls
-Tyranids: Large scale production of Apex Psykers. Nid unit's capable of contending with Crons and ludicrous numbers.
-Necrons: Going full War in Heaven, breaking out and using C'tan Shards.
 
Best guesses;
-Chaos: Eldar Tech/Dark Eldar Souls
-Tyranids: Large scale production of Apex Psykers. Nid unit's capable of contending with Crons and ludicrous numbers.
-Necrons: Going full War in Heaven, breaking out and using C'tan Shards.
I don't know those don't feel pants dropping horrifying enough I feel like Durin is going to bring in new factions that are even more terrifying. So bad that we wished we kept the Man of Iron Stc.
 
I don't know those don't feel pants dropping horrifying enough I feel like Durin is going to bring in new factions that are even more terrifying. So bad that we wished we kept the Man of Iron Stc.
Well we won't be getting MoS any time soon, so don't worry about the Men of Iron, we'd never get to use it anyway :)
 
It depends on the pirates.

Some will disable the engines, take everything that isn't nailed down and leave, others will try to capture the ship through boarding.

Yes those are methods to capture a ship or its contents, but my issue is that durin has said that targeting their merchant shipping with stealth ships is impractical, as it will rapidly result in the loss of our very expensive stealth ships. I'm more interested in how they get away with it than how they do the deed.


I feel like this combination of uncanny knowledge of our fleet motions combined with vastly superior speed is scary in terms of strategic advantages and really difficult to fight against.
I kind of suspect that Turoq or someone high in his command structure has some sort of daemon interaction paragon trait, probably diplomacy or psykic control, to be able to learn so much about our fleet disposition all of the time such that trying to trick them or leave them uncertain as to our ships positions at any point is useless, I don't think it's an advantage Chaos normally has.

Mostly copying Enjou for my votes.

[X] Vote in favor of the second Inquisition funding proposal.

Argument: We will continue to have our hostile neighbors try to infiltrate us and steal our technology. Even now a Tzeentchian polity is attempting to

[X] Vote in favor of the second defense increase proposal.

Argument: We have limited ability to strike out against our hostile neighbors, as they have faster means of travel. As such, we need the strongest defense we can manage.

[X] Eldar Communication Proposal: Ridcully can potentially contact Eldrad Ulthran telepathically, and Eldrad helped him during the Green Awakening.
-[X] The goal of this proposal is to allow Ridcully to make contact. We would share information regarding predictions on the Dark Eldar, the C'Tan, and large Waaaghs (likely they already know, but likely wouldn't hurt). Possible other goals include asking to see if the Trust could get limited Webway access to talk and possibly do tech trades with major human polities in the galaxy, perhaps strike at neighboring threats faster (or perhaps negotiated strikes by the Eldar against them), as well as human tech stashes they may possess, and maybe some kind of non-aggression agreement. No actual agreements will be made at this time, as any agreement must be ratified by the High Council.

Argument: The Eldar are a powerful xenos race, and while we should not trust them they are at the last aligned against the Dark Eldar, Chaos (especially Slaanesh), the Orks, and the Necrons, so non-hostile relations would be preferable. Further, we could potentially strengthen ourselves and other major non-Chaos human polities through judicious tech trades and information exchanges, bettering humanity's position in the galaxy.

And make no mistake, humanity needs every advantage it can get. The Dark Eldar are about to share their tech with Slaaneshi cultists, the Orks have gotten stronger, the Necrons are awake and the C'tan will awake too, Abbadon has a massive Chaos Imperium, and the Tyranids that the Necrons were fighting in the void between galaxies will eventually arrive as well. Circumstances may seem under control locally for the time being, but the galaxy as a whole is getting more and more dangerous.

[X] Helguard Subsidy Proposal: Propose that the military rebate be increased to 50% for the Helguard. Rotbart is willing to increase the tithe of Helguard to the Imperial Trust Guard to compensate for this.

Argument: The Helguard are the most elite human troops, barring Astartes, in the Trust. However, they are expensive to train and maintain. Funding will help ensure that larger numbers of them can be kept, bettering the Trust's security.

[X] Propose the Security Council and the Inquisition make a joint study of the viability and requirements of eventually merging our polity with that of the Blood Dragons, to be reported on in a future High Council Session. Otherwise, work to continue improving relations regardless.

Argument: The Blood Dragons have thus far proven to be reliable allies, and if their sector can be brought up to Imperial Trust technological standards then it will make our area of space significantly more able to fight off threats.

[X] Propose that we get in contact with the remaining uncorrupted human polities in our area, with the intention of promoting information sharing, possibly indebting them to us by supplying them with information gleaned from divinations(Ridcully divines for attacks incoming on any of the human polities near us), putting out a general offer to take in any refugees that can make it to us so long as they agree to a quarantine and check period(we have a small population and a lot of new land to exploit), and also seeing if there are any surviving tiny imperial remnants near the Ork or Chaos realms that border us, so that we can fortify them(but not bring them up to our tech level) to act as potential future bases, should we decide to run a campaign against the threats near them.
 
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I don't know those don't feel pants dropping horrifying enough I feel like Durin is going to bring in new factions that are even more terrifying. So bad that we wished we kept the Man of Iron Stc.
Now I really want to get another look at the War in the Void once we get a chance and see how both the Necrons and Tyranids are doing.
 
[X] Plan build up defenses

Really like the speech and think it would work well to convince everyone else.
Adhoc vote count started by Red Bovine on Jul 10, 2018 at 8:49 PM, finished with 293 posts and 22 votes.

  • [X] Plan build up defenses
    -[X] vote for the second proposal to increase the Inquisition funding to 1.5 of the trusts economy
    -[X] vote for the second proposal increase the size of defenses and of the core worlds and as well the colonies.
    [X] Vote in favor of the second Inquisition funding proposal.
    [X] Vote in favor of the second defense increase proposal.
    [X] Eldar Communication Proposal: Ridcully can potentially contact Eldrad Ulthran telepathically, and Eldrad helped him during the Green Awakening.
    -[X] The goal of this proposal is to allow Ridcully to make contact. We would share information regarding predictions on the Dark Eldar, the C'Tan, and large Waaaghs (likely they already know, but likely wouldn't hurt). Possible other goals include asking to see if the Trust could get limited Webway access to talk and possibly do tech trades with major human polities in the galaxy, perhaps strike at neighboring threats faster (or perhaps negotiated strikes by the Eldar against them), as well as human tech stashes they may possess, and maybe some kind of non-aggression agreement. No actual agreements will be made at this time, as any agreement must be ratified by the High Council.
    [X] Helguard Subsidy Proposal: Propose that the military rebate be increased to 50% for the Helguard. Rotbart is willing to increase the tithe of Helguard to the Imperial Trust Guard to compensate for this.
    [X] Propose the Security Council and the Inquisition make a joint study of the viability and requirements of eventually merging our polity with that of the Blood Dragons, to be reported on in a future High Council Session. Otherwise, work to continue improving relations regardless.
    [X] Plan Avernus Events
    [X] Plan getting it out of the way
    [X] Plan build up defenses
    -[X] vote for the second proposal to increase the Inquisition funding to 1.5 of the trusts economy
    -[X] vote for the second proposal increase the size of defenses and of the core worlds and as well the colonies.
    -[X] propose contacting the eldar to inform them of the dangers Ridcully has divined as well as ask for webway access to contact other Human Polities. Also ask about other forms of ftl that the eldar would be willing to trade for and if they have any human tech stashes they be willing to trade for. These will be to just find out what they want and any decisions will be decided upon the council.
    - [X] Propose closer ties with dragon's nest, as well as helping to upgrade their infrastructure and any technical assistance they need. Material and Finacial assistance will be discussed with the Blood Dragon's to see what the Trust can spare. With talks hopefully going into the possible integration of the Blood dragon's and their protectorates into the Trust.
    -[X] propose increasing the rebate of the Hellguard to 50 percent for more of the hellguard to be tithe to the Trusts army.
    [X] Propose that we get in contact with the remaining uncorrupted human polities in our area, with the intention of promoting information sharing, possibly indebting them to us by supplying them with information gleaned from divinations(Ridcully divines for attacks incoming on any of the human polities near us), putting out a general offer to take in any refugees that can make it to us so long as they agree to a quarantine and check period(we have a small population and a lot of new land to exploit), and also seeing if there are any surviving tiny imperial remnants near the Ork or Chaos realms that border us, so that we can fortify them(but not bring them up to our tech level) to act as potential future bases, should we decide to run a campaign against the threats near them.
 
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