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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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just for some scale the nearest world of Tugozak's Doman is around two and a half months travel from the edge of the Imperial Trust, or one and a half from the closest part of Dragon's Nest
 
@Durin
1. What does Ridcully think Eldrad has become? Currently I'm thinking he's a Daemon of Ynnead?
2. Since it is in all caps, is
Durin said:
Path of Ascension.
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This valid for Lin to investigate.
3. What does Ridcully's soul look to someone else who has a look (and he lets them).
4. Is Ridcully comfortable with the idea that he might be becoming a God?
 
Portec said:
@Durin I think you missed this one.
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yes it is
Doomed Wombat said:
@Durin
1. What does Ridcully think Eldrad has become? Currently I'm thinking he's a Daemon of Ynnead?
2. Since it is in all caps, is

This valid for Lin to investigate.
3. What does Ridcully's soul look to someone else who has a look (and he lets them).
4. Is Ridcully comfortable with the idea that he might be becoming a God?
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1. a daemon prince equivalent
2. yes
3. a Blind Seer
4. not very
 
Durin said:
More not be sure how much he would remain himself if he acended
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Well then. Lets figure this out so we can halt it if we need to, or make sure as little changes to him as possible then.

@Durin
1. I know we haven't done a detailed investigation into them yet, but are transcendent gods automatically bound to the mortal realm?
2. With Lin doing his investigations, how much of it does he think is due to his status as the last saint, and how much of it is just due to him being...him?
3. Does he think he could train another to be able to make insights the same way he can?
 
Andres110 said:
Would making daemonhosts still be heresy if the thing you're hosting isn't a daemon?
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Most likely. Even if we assume "daemon" refers specifically to those warp entities tied to the five Chaos gods, I doubt there are any other Warp entities that would be any safer to try to summon and bind. Second, according to Eisenhorn, the process of creating and binding a daemonhost involves the destruction of the host's soul. That's probably over the line for us, especially without getting something in return. The Siren soul trade both gets us new techs to apply widely, and serves to deny the souls to Chaos. Pulling the kind of warpy bullshit needed for daemonhost-equivalents around cultists is a bad idea, and destroying loyal souls is terrible in a different way.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Probably not.

I mean if it isn't a Daemon then it isn't a Daemon host.

Finding a benevolent warp entity that you can bind into a person is a different matter.
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RogueInquisitor said:
Most likely. Even if we assume "daemon" refers specifically to those warp entities tied to the five Chaos gods, I doubt there are any other Warp entities that would be any safer to try to summon and bind. Second, according to Eisenhorn, the process of creating and binding a daemonhost involves the destruction of the host's soul. That's probably over the line for us, especially without getting something in return. The Siren soul trade both gets us new techs to apply widely, and serves to deny the souls to Chaos. Pulling the kind of warpy bullshit needed for daemonhost-equivalents around cultists is a bad idea, and destroying loyal souls is terrible in a different way.
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So what you two are saying is that we should find a soulless pariah and make it the host of the Radiance kinda like what happened in Hollow Knight. The Radiance should be powerful enough that the lowest level of complete soullessness shouldn't kill it, we wouldn't be killing any souls, and we'd get a powerful new weapon to wield against our enemies.

...That is what you two are saying, right? :p
 
Andres110 said:
*opens mouth* *closes it* *cocks head* Are you telling me my idea actually has merit? If I'm being honest, the only reason I didn't put it in the Discord was because it was a response to thread posts. Was my idea to stick the Radiance in a pariah actually a good one?
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Its an idea.

Its not necessarily a good idea, but it is possible.

Erebus created Spear by binding a Daemon into a super pariah.

Spear (Assassin) - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

So yeah what you suggest is possible and can create a being theoretically capable of killing the Emperor through a drop of blood (a big enough threat that Horus chastised -then flayed- Erebus for creating him).
 
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It may be something to look into. The idea in general I mean, not specifically the Radiance. Avernus' warp space should be lousy with non-Chaos warp predators, and indeed their existence has made it into at least one canon omake. The trick is that the host won't be a human, but something we won't care about like an animal or a xeno. (The Trust doesn't care if we feed xenos to the sirens.) Just as an example, we could bind an astral hound into the body of a dog, getting what is for all intents and purposes a very powerful dog.

The big problem, of course, is the fact daemons are a thing. We don't have to worry about psykers using the binding technique to summon daemons because Chaos psykers can already do that, but it is possible we may accidentally bind a daemon instead of a non-Chaos warp predator. We'd have to develop ways to prevent that from happening.
 
I'd honestly like to avoid this idea just due to optics. It's not like we lack super-strong or powerful animals in setting anyway—we just lack cost-effective control mechanisms for them. Making our own just adds new dangers/issues, at least until we're a hell of a lot better at it than we presumably are now.

Doing things that make the rest of the Trust think we're crazy is okay if we have a really good reason to, but just kinda stupid if it's more of a 'because we can' or 'because it could be possible' sort of thing.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Well then. Lets figure this out so we can halt it if we need to, or make sure as little changes to him as possible then.

@Durin
1. I know we haven't done a detailed investigation into them yet, but are transcendent gods automatically bound to the mortal realm?
2. With Lin doing his investigations, how much of it does he think is due to his status as the last saint, and how much of it is just due to him being...him?
3. Does he think he could train another to be able to make insights the same way he can?
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1. you dont know
2. mostly his status, he suspects that the Emperor imprinted much o his knowledge of divinity on him
3. no
 
Reynal said:
I'd honestly like to avoid this idea just due to optics. It's not like we lack super-strong or powerful animals in setting anyway—we just lack cost-effective control mechanisms for them. Making our own just adds new dangers/issues, at least until we're a hell of a lot better at it than we presumably are now.

Doing things that make the rest of the Trust think we're crazy is okay if we have a really good reason to, but just kinda stupid if it's more of a 'because we can' or 'because it could be possible' sort of thing.
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That is logic I can get behind.
 
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@Durin
1. This may seem strange to ask, but are there any major nationalistic movements in the trust worlds in favour of breaking away from the Trust?
2. Are the stealth ships still widening our explored area of space?
3. Are true names something Lin can investigate?
4. Without Lin are our psykers confident they could reduce the taint of the (medium and high) Valinor worlds in a reasonable amount of time?
5. Are there any survivors of the Valinor polity? Perhaps on the less tainted worlds?
6. When it is deemed safe how is the colonisation of worlds in the Valinor subsector going to be handled? Similar to how the colonisation of the ork worlds was handled, special safety precautions (lots of Avernites and Nilfar) due to potential taint, or the auction system that was originally going when things were moving slower.
 
So stopping in to look at the recent plan:

Why do we even want Tyrant Lizard units? What role in our military would they serve beyond being yet another unit type to worry about? They don't seem to excel at anything well enough to justify the costs of producing them. Our Thunderbeast units took several actions and many years to produce, and haven't really been significant to anything.

Also why would Areatha be interested in fighting orks at all?
 
inverted_helix said:
So stopping in to look at the recent plan:

Why do we even want Tyrant Lizard units? What role in our military would they serve beyond being yet another unit type to worry about? They don't seem to excel at anything well enough to justify the costs of producing them. Our Thunderbeast units took several actions and many years to produce, and haven't really been significant to anything.

Also why would Areatha be interested in fighting orks at all?
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They likely benefit from coolness factor, but they are a surprisingly powerful anti tank/anti titan option, each of them being an incredibly tough, fast las cannon. With bigger ones getting into the titan weapon range of fire power.

With their las cannons and manoeuvrability compared to tanks they're not a stupid choice of weapon against them. As for the Thundabeasts I believe we're going to see them in proper action quite soon :evil:. Its just most people don't want to attack Elysium so we don't see them used. Pretty sure they were used on Mar Sara though.

As for her...I believe people's logic is a combination of

1. Seeing another world.
2. And there's no real down side to asking, and a real upside to asking.

I don't personally find it likely, no Avernite has expressed interest in leaving unless its to kick Chaos in the gonads, so I'm holding out hope that she instead volunteers to take over for Jane (in killing psykers) until she gets back.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
@Durin
1. This may seem strange to ask, but are there any major nationalistic movements in the trust worlds in favour of breaking away from the Trust?
2. Are the stealth ships still widening our explored area of space?
3. Are true names something Lin can investigate?
4. Without Lin are our psykers confident they could reduce the taint of the (medium and high) Valinor worlds in a reasonable amount of time?
5. Are there any survivors of the Valinor polity? Perhaps on the less tainted worlds?
6. When it is deemed safe how is the colonisation of worlds in the Valinor subsector going to be handled? Similar to how the colonisation of the ork worlds was handled, special safety precautions (lots of Avernites and Nilfar) due to potential taint, or the auction system that was originally going when things were moving slower.
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1. a few, so far non have any real power due to an understanding of the power of numbers and the dangers of the galaxy
2. yes
3. more Ridcully then Lin
4. no
5. no, your forces were thorough
6. not yet decided but Avernites and Nifler will probably have priority
 
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