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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Doomed Wombat
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1. Currently the Avernite species don't seem inclined to share their tools.
2. How?
3. Why?
Not sure what we can do to help there. Depressing, but true, its an internal matter to the admech which hasn't impacted the Trust materially yet.
Shard
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- Malaysia
1. Tech spreads through infiltration, spoils of war, etc. Not just through sharing.
2. Empowerment of Avernite Peoples in whatever they do.
3. I generally don't like sharing our stuff around in a way that lets those stuff be shared again.
Doomed Wombat
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1. And that's why the Trolls who have known stores of our stuff are toting around impalers, and why everyone on Avernus has Siren Runes. THis stuff is complicated and the most advanced species we know of right now (the sirens) are so far below that they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of revers engineering it without our help and the more advanced species (like the Guardians) don't need our tech.
2. And that's a bad thing? Additional fire power against the Daemons. And why would that destabilise Avernus? Which seems to have a direct connection to their heads.
3. Then you must hate sharing with the Dragons, and the potential sharing with three major polities massive polities, all of which are almost certainly infiltrated by chaos due to their high profile and are involved in wars with enemies that can much easily reverse engineer what they take as spoils of war and who will be able to share our stuff with whomever they want and we will be unable to do so much as yell no because there on the other sides of the galaxy from us. In Ultramar's case literally.
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
Things i would like to see done at some point:
Ask the ancient wanderer about any anti-chaos or superior psyker training techniques she can teach, ask her about past technology
Contact Eldrad Ulthan about being put in diplomatic contact with further-flung human civilisations, and sounding out the eldar on what else they might trade in exchange for somthing we are able to give them.
Ask the ancient wanderer about any anti-chaos or superior psyker training techniques she can teach, ask her about past technology
Contact Eldrad Ulthan about being put in diplomatic contact with further-flung human civilisations, and sounding out the eldar on what else they might trade in exchange for somthing we are able to give them.
1) Sod the conservative Admech.
2) If we get hold of Tau tech I want to take it apart and use the good bits ourselves. Thinking of tech as 'human tech' and 'Tau tech' is a problem we need to fix. Preferably before we manage to capture some Eldar/Necron equipment intact.
3) Even if we could do as you suggest it would take centuries. I want the Quartok armed with proper equipment asap.
Plus this would be the first step towards being able to trade tech with other People of Avernus. Would you not prefer to sell the Sirens plasma tech rather than another hundred million souls?
Hello Ad Mech civil war.
I'm just more resigned to waiting out the ad mech than you.
How would it take centuries? We have something the Eldar could well take for a webway trip and we could trade with Ultramar first. Getting the Tau tech they have and promptly handing all the guns and science over to some very happy Quartok.
Would I like sirens with plasma tech? At the least Queen Azshara's. We could always trade them Tau tech if we get it for their super advanced Runes.
Doomed Wombat
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We can likely give them very little except...
@Durin
1. Do any of the People's and Sphinx think that there would be any problems with the Eldar being let onto Avernus?
My logic is that Avernus is the last world of the Old Ones, and the Eldar are...well the Old One's creations.
I'd certainly like Avernus more resistant to Daemon attacks.
Well yes, unfortunately we don't know what the current state of Scott's reforms are beyond, happening. In some state.
We should find out.
I figure we can get away with a lot of shit if the Titans preform well in battle.
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- Australia
You want them to be reclassified as cogitators? They're genuine AI you know.
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- western US
"Cleanse World (Heavy)- There are fifteen tainted worlds recently captured from Valinor. Of these worlds five are lightly tainted, seven are moderately tainted and three are heavily tainted. Saint Lin believes that with a few decades work he could totally cleanse the worlds, or at least reduce the level of taint.
Time: 2 years
Chance of Success: 10%
Cost: 40,000,000 Thrones, 7,900 Advanced Material, 890 Exotic Material, 1 Relic Materials
Reward: Reduce the taint of selected world by 1 level, 2 on a crit.
Locked – One out of Two years completed
The Power of Dominions- Saint Lin is willing to spend some time gathering more knowledge about how gods gain power from their dominions, and what they can do with said power. This is both interesting information and information that may give you a key insight into the actions of gods and daemons.
Time: 5 years
Chance of Success: -40 (uses average of learning and piety)
Cost: 40,000,000 Thrones
Reward: information on the power of faith, ??.
Locked- Two out of Five years completed
Cleanse World (Light, Moderate or Heavy)- There are fifteen tainted worlds recently captured from Valinor. Of these worlds five are lightly tainted, seven are moderately tainted and three are heavily tainted. Saint Lin believes that with a few decades work he could totally cleanse the worlds, or at least reduce the level of taint.
Time: 2 years
Chance of Success: 10%
Cost: 40,000,000 Thrones, 7,900 Advanced Material, 890 Exotic Material, 1 Relic Materials
Reward: Reduce the taint of selected world by 1 level, 2 on a crit."
@Durin
....did you post the cleanse world option twice by accident?
Time: 2 years
Chance of Success: 10%
Cost: 40,000,000 Thrones, 7,900 Advanced Material, 890 Exotic Material, 1 Relic Materials
Reward: Reduce the taint of selected world by 1 level, 2 on a crit.
Locked – One out of Two years completed
The Power of Dominions- Saint Lin is willing to spend some time gathering more knowledge about how gods gain power from their dominions, and what they can do with said power. This is both interesting information and information that may give you a key insight into the actions of gods and daemons.
Time: 5 years
Chance of Success: -40 (uses average of learning and piety)
Cost: 40,000,000 Thrones
Reward: information on the power of faith, ??.
Locked- Two out of Five years completed
Cleanse World (Light, Moderate or Heavy)- There are fifteen tainted worlds recently captured from Valinor. Of these worlds five are lightly tainted, seven are moderately tainted and three are heavily tainted. Saint Lin believes that with a few decades work he could totally cleanse the worlds, or at least reduce the level of taint.
Time: 2 years
Chance of Success: 10%
Cost: 40,000,000 Thrones, 7,900 Advanced Material, 890 Exotic Material, 1 Relic Materials
Reward: Reduce the taint of selected world by 1 level, 2 on a crit."
@Durin
....did you post the cleanse world option twice by accident?
Doomed Wombat
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Me thinks what he wants is for them to be reclassified as you know...AI. Not abominable intelligence's, but friendly in recognition of their services and helping humanity in one of its darkest hours.
Maybe call them Affable Intelligences or something. And then get them building the AM and EM factories.
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- western US
I agree, I feel like its silly to suppose that the more intelligent lifeforms can ever be much of a threat to us...and thats the worst case sceario.
in practice, the ones we share with will likely continue to be either:
passive, then we don't care if they get benifits,....but they will be able to survive better and they DID help us during large-scale invasions.....
friendly, then we WANT them to get benifits since they can help us more with more resources.
aggressive....none of the intelligent lifeforms are actually of the type that are both intelligent enough to reverse engneer our tech from quartok tech AND aggressive enough to be a threat.....and even if the ones who could change their minds........we will just kill them off.
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- Someplace USA
Basically I'm hesitant to push for tech sharing for xenos cause it is less a trust political issue and more a admech issue and we avoid pushing that fast for a reason.
Reviewing how colonies work and try to open discussions with the eldar definitely sounds like valid political pushes though.
Reviewing how colonies work and try to open discussions with the eldar definitely sounds like valid political pushes though.
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wait...thats a thing? did NOT know that
if thats possable, we REALLY want that.
could be one of the biggest long-term boosts we have had for a while.....intelligent automation is always huge from what I know at least......
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- western US
I think the point the others are bringing up is that we WON't be trading human tech (which the admech WOULD riot about).....
I think they ARe however bringing up the possablity of trading with different ALIEN tech...the admech don't care about us trading around alien tech.
.....forget when this was all discussed tho, cas this WAS confirmed by Durin I think that the admech don't care about alien tech or human tech that is below steam level.....
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- Australia
You want to call them good, friendly, safe, and not treacherous and evil....without even so much as testing to see if that's actually the case.
I heavily disagree.
Doomed Wombat
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That's a good way to get ourselves killed.
The planet terrified Ridcully when he divined what would happen if we genocide d the Trolls for example.
This isn't about our tech as I understand it (ATM) its about the Quartok's stuff and tech level 2, which the Admech doesn't care about.
Pretty sure both.
No what I want is to cite historical precedent of them being good, friendly and safe to encourage opening an investigation into whether they are good, friendly, safe and not treacherous and evil and if they are confirmed to be so changing their designation and starting to use them in the trust.
Doomed Wombat
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But, we're not even doing that.
We're doing what we can within the limits that the conservative admech allows us, no word games at all.
No word games, nothing at all.
Word games are things like designing our superior defence stations according to Durin.
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I disagree, I think its trying to obey the letter of the law but not the spirit.
Doomed Wombat
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No it isn't.
The conservative admech doesn't care if we're trading xenos tech to xenos, they'd rather destroy it, but if that can't be done then so be it at least put it to use.
The conservative admech doesn't care about tech before the invention of the combustion motor, that can be confirmed both in universe and in embers we can do what we want there, they don't police things that far down the tech tree, why would they. They barely even regulate changing patterns for higher pieces of tech like las guns or impalers.
Word games, respecting the letter, but not spirit of the law is making things like our defence stations, new designs.
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Shrug
We will have to agree to disagree on this.
Isn't the upcoming High Council meeting going to be focused on how we reshape our relationship with the Dragon's Nest? If I recall one of the other governors wants to do a full integration with them. Perhaps we should do sound outs/use gathered influence in relation to that.