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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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Andres110 said:
There's no such thing as a "Midgard STC" or a "Helheim STC". It's all just the STC. There is only one impaler STC pattern. Any other patterns that exist in the Trust are not STC patterns as they were not from an STC. The impaler pattern STC is the baseline. Any other pattern is an offshoot of it. You can have a pattern that was designed for Avernus that's more killy than cheap, but that pattern would not have come from an STC, it would've been designed by some tech priest.

I think you missed this, which I edited into my previous post:



Yet another thing worth remembering is that in the datacore, we found improved versions of every kind of wargear in our arsenal, including lasguns. Any kind of impaler pattern has to compete with these improved lasguns. If you're trying to get a gun that's the best at logistics, an impaler will always lose to a lasgun. Any given impaler pattern should try to apply the strength of impalers to various situations and environments, not try to emulate the strengths of lasguns.
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Utter Balony, there has never ever been 1 STC.

That is a fabrication dreamed up by the mechanicus there was merely a system that designed excellent structures weapons and other devices with ease to aid in colonisation and development of worlds. A system that eventually evolved beyond that simple purpose to an extent, but at its core that is what it was.

That is what the STC was, that's why there are so many different worlds with STC butter knives that take into account air compositions, tire tracts that take into account difficult terrain unique to world's swamps, and yes different guns to suit different needs.

Because of the STC each world redesigns the basic STCs in accordance with their needs and wants.

If they need something that is more mass producible then golly gosh they'll put into the STC need as mass producible as possible with minimal loss in power which it would spit out, if you put in "KILL EVERYTHING" then it will do that too.

That's why there are so many seemingly innocuous and random STCs all over the place, its also what I mean when I say Helheim STC and Midgard STC.

The two are completely different STC systems for different systems for different needs, especially from an era where the fastest form of communication was messenger boat.

And no its entirely possible to reduce the power and decrease the cost while also keeping it more than powerful enough to be significantly more effective than a flashlight including the ones we found.
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
Utter Balony, there has never ever been 1 STC.
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That is not relevant. We have only ever managed to get a single pattern of impaler from any of the STCs we have ever found. You can say that other STC patterns exist, but at the end of the day we do not have those other STC patterns, regardless of whether they exist or not.

Doomed Wombat said:
And no its entirely possible to reduce the power and decrease the cost while also keeping it more than powerful enough to be significantly more effective than a flashlight.
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If impalers were better or equal to lasguns in every way, why is it that the lasgun and not the impaler was abundant enough to continue being used past the Dark Age and into the Age of Strife and beyond? If an impaler could be made to be as cheap as a lasgun but more damaging, then what niche does the lasgun fill?
 
Ok so here is my sinister plan. We tell the Blood dragon we are going to need there help. Because the Ork Waagh is going going to hit Valinor than invad ethe rest of Demagogue. We give them less numbers than what we got. You know like 3 hulks 20000 escorts 10000 orks etc. that way Demagogue is more likely to move most of there forces there when they find out. Because the Blood Dragons obviously have opsec problems.

These way Demagogue will spend the 8 years before the Waggh comes building up Valinor. Why would they have 8 years because we told the Blood Dragons and someone reported back.
 
Andres110 said:
That is not relevant. We have only ever managed to get a single pattern of impaler from any of the STCs we have ever found. You can say that other STC patterns exist, but at the end of the day we do not have those other STC patterns, regardless of whether they exist or not.


If impalers were better or equal to lasguns in every way, why is it that the lasgun and not the impaler was abundant enough to continue being used past the Dark Age and into the Age of Strife and beyond? If an impaler could be made to be as cheap as a lasgun but more damaging, then what niche does the lasgun fill?
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No it is very relevant.

What is useful for one world in its original form is not as useful to another in a different form.

You argued that as it was the STC we had it would be the most generalist and most adaptable, I'm arguing that as the local impaler would have been adapted to service the world it was made on that would not be the case.

Because as Durin so pointed out the DAoT was not completely interconnected. Far from it.

The Impaler was created likely in response to the Helheim explorers needing a way to put a hole in just about anything, but to expect it to spread a massive distance in a galaxy where the fastest method of communication was messenger boats, with no unified central government, and no astropaths?

Not likely.

More advanced pieces of tech like Vortex grenades getting out presumably through trade, certainly, but the basic weapon? There's a reason a lot of more basic DAoT tech is confined to a particular area, or in the era of the Imperium particular forge worlds. For example the aegis data fragment, filled with laser weapons often much more effective than normal ones, but not found in the rest of the galaxy because they were unique to the DAoT civilisations that lived in the Calaxis sector, indeed a small part of it at that.

Also they are not as cheap as the Las gun, not even close. What they are is cheap enough that Midgard can afford to equip their people with them enmass with their gargantuan industrial capacity, while also being more powerful than a las gun.
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
Also they are not as cheap as the Las gun, not even close. What they are is cheap enough that Midgard can afford to equip their people with them enmass with their gargantuan industrial capacity, while also being more powerful than a las gun.
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A standard lasgun is Common while a standard impaler is Scarce. An improved lasgun pattern is noted to be more expensive, so it would be Average. A cheaper impaler would be Average. Both the improved lasgun and the cheaper impaler would be Average. They are as expensive as each other.
 
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Andres110 said:
A standard lasgun is Common while a standard impaler is Scarce. An improved lasgun pattern is noted to be more expensive, so it would be Average. A cheaper impaler would be Average. Both the improved lasgun and the cheaper impaler would be Average. They are as cheap as each other.
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And?

Rarity is not a direct indicator of cost or effectiveness, its an indicator of how hard it is to find specific items and gives a GM an idea at how best it would be to price an object based on various factors (for example what are the consequences of possessing this item and not being a person who's allowed it. Both cost and effectiveness can be part of it, but they can have no impact on it what so ever.)

The Midgard Impaler could be scarce do 2d10+2I, but can also be the same rarity as a Minerva Aegis lasrifle (1d10+2E excellent Las Rifle too) a scarce Las Rifle.

One is quite clearly better than the other no?

Going to sleep likely won't be able to respond to another question.
 
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Nurgle said:
Ok so here is my sinister plan. We tell the Blood dragon we are going to need there help. Because the Ork Waagh is going going to hit Valinor than invad ethe rest of Demagogue. We give them less numbers than what we got. You know like 3 hulks 20000 escorts 10000 orks etc. that way Demagogue is more likely to move most of there forces there when they find out. Because the Blood Dragons obviously have opsec problems.

These way Demagogue will spend the 8 years before the Waggh comes building up Valinor. Why would they have 8 years because we told the Blood Dragons and someone reported back.
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you are not going to be able to redirect them to Demagogue
 
...Oh god, I just realized.

If a WAAGGHHH can ACTUALLY TAKE a Daemon World now....

Guys. What happened to Tuska?
 
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you are not going to be able to redirect them to Demagogue
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They don't know that. My whole Plan realize on them believing the information thier spies in the blood dragon "find out". They only have to think the rest of Demagogue is going to get attacked so that they put as many forces possible at Valinor.
 
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Nurgle said:
They don't know that. My whole Plan realize on them believing the information thier spies in the blood dragon "find out". They only have to think the rest of Demagogue is going to get attacked so that they put as many forces possible at Valinor.
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The Warboss is an idiot, not the leader of Demagoye. Tricking them isn't nearly as easy as you think, and they probably won't care too much about losing the Daemon World since it's more of a nice to have than an essential asset. And if the Waaagh can take the Daemon World? Well, that's not a Waaagh they want to fuck with.
 
Enjou said:
The Warboss is an idiot, not the leader of Demagoye. Tricking them isn't nearly as easy as you think, and they probably won't care too much about losing the Daemon World since it's more of a nice to have than an essential asset. And if the Waaagh can take the Daemon World? Well, that's not a Waaagh they want to fuck with.
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I believe that the Waagh could take the demon world if they had someone smart enough to do it. But they have Headcrusher who from what I get is the dumbest ork ever but controls over 200 billion boyz.

What I want to do is give Demagogue enough warning to get most of there fleet in place so that they get destroyed by the Waagh. A demon world is a prize not just because of the prestige chaos wise but from all the deals you can make with demons. It is something of incredible value to a chaos god. Demons want to exist in the immateriam so that they can experience things.
 
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The Fourth Emergency High Council Meeting Part One: Opening Statements
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    • The Fourth Emergency High Council Meeting Part One: Opening Statements

    Three years before the expected arrival of Waaagh Hedcrusha the High Council gathers to discuss ow to deal with this imminent invasion. As always the meeting begins with a overview of what forces each governor is able and willing to deploy.

    Admiral Freyr of the Security Council begins by informing you that the Imperial Trust military has recovered, with the ground forces having been replenished over the last few decades and the expanded shipyards of Vanaheim having not only replaced the lost ships but having built a large number of escorts and heavy cruisers to reinforce your fleets.

    Next Fabricator-General Scott informs you that the military forces of the Adeptus Mechanicus has started to recover but will not be able to deploy anything over divsion sized formations.

    Inquisitor Varquez then stands to represent the Inquisition. He tells you that the Inquisitions forces are mostly intact, though how useful they will be in the coming war is unknown.

    Lord Marshal Sigurd of Asgard is as always the first of the Planetary Governors to stand. He tells you that due to the massive casualties suffered by the Aesir in the First Siege of Mar Sara he will only be able to deploy three Courts of Knight-Titans, though they include a large number of veterans.

    Bertil Mikaelsson of Vanaheim reports that Vanaheim fleet is in good condition and can be fully deployed, as can fifteen armies of soldiers.

    While Governor-General Aelfric's is willing to deploy a two hundred armies, a third of the Imperial Trust's total manpower.

    First Artisan Granalf tells you that his forces have mostly recovered, and that he is willing to deploy nine armies of regulars.

    Governor Garp is also willing to deploy four entire armies if needed.

    King Zaren of Alfheim's forces have expanded in recent years, allowing him to deploy six armies against the Waaagh.

    Champion Surt of Muspelheim tells you that his forces are still recovering and that he will only be able to deploy a single ground army, as well as three regiments of Fire Giants and his fleet.

    Nilfheim is willing to deploy a full two dozen armies to the war effort, the largest single contribution other then Midgard.

    Chapter Master Julies of the Varangian Guard tells you that thanks to his large number of veterans acting as trainers and the incredible number of Aspirants that the Imperial Trust is able to provide that the Varangian Guard will be able to deploy twenty companies of Astartes and five scout companies to contest the Waaagh, along with five PDF armies.

    No it is time for you to stand and give your report on what Avernus is willing to deploy.
     
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    Chapter Master Julies of the Varangian Guard tells you that thanks to his large number of veterans acting as trainers and the incredible number of Aspirants that the Imperial Trust is able to provide that the Varangian Guard will be able to deploy twenty companies of Astartes and five scout companies to contest the Waaagh, along with five PDF armies. .
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    That's actually a pretty impressive force.
    Are the companies standard codex compliant ones in size?

    Or has that changed?
     
    [X] our fleet still has not fully recovered but we will deploy what we have. Also 80 percent of our ground forces and 66 percent of psykers.
     
    @Durin what proportion of our navy (going by our projected numbers 3 years from now) can we deploy without risking losing institutional knowledge?

    [X] Avernus will contribute 75% of the regular forces, 60% of the psykers, and all naval assets.
     
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    @Durin

    1. Do Minor Manifestations exist in Embers?
    2. If so, are psykers capable of increasingly powerful Minor Manifestations as they increase in skill/power?
     
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    I am very impressed at Bertil's management of Vanahiem to be frank. Son of a bitch fixed all the damaged ships and got us more to boot. Good jobs Vanir!

    Also god damn Midgard healed hela fast. Like really fucking well.

    An it would be nice to see the Varangian Guard take the field in earnest amongst the Trust. Just to see what happens.
     
    @Durin

    Would it be possible with Ridcully's help to time the Detonation of an Exterminatus Class Warhead to the instant the Daemons lose but before the Orks truly win and destroy the planet while both sides are at their weakest and neither has full control/influence over the local Warp Space?
     
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