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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
This explanation doesn't fly for T'au, or Imperial Trust, or any other high-tech factions. Also at least in this quest orbital bombardment is explicitly less powerful, for example 10 gigantic nearly 10km long ships hitting a planet at high speed should be an extinction level event, not cause minor to moderste damage to a city.
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- Location
- Sweden
We could switch over to the duodecimal system (base twelve instead of base ten), much more pleasant when computing fractions, and it would give us an extra pair of numbers to play with.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Dunno how useful that would be, chaos can do numbers over twelve (Malal is 11 for instance...he's just not important.)
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
@Durin
1. Is Aria supposed to loose her learning bonus when she became a grand master?
2. What are the chances of the Trust and the orks missing a subterranian and sentient xenos species on one of the colony worlds? An idea I had probably won't go anywhere.
3. Do we know when the Border Lions stopped harassing the abomination forces?
4. After the fight do the Trolls seem slightly more open to additional help from us? For instance giving them the abilities of a tech level 1 or 2 civ?
5. What exactly killed Callahan? I can't remember if he was on Avernus or Mar Sara and I don't remember him dying during the fight on Avernus...and if he was on Avernus wouldn't he have been in Aradia?
- Location
- Berkeley
[X] Plan Cutting Cults
Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Take over Personal Attention: Expand Helltroopers
Simple. We need both of our personal actions to be able to do the anti-cult work needed without delaying getting the higher tier psyker hunters, and we can't do the Recruit until year three anyway. Lesson's Leanred also don't need to be done this turn.
Void Command
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Construct: Repairs: First Step
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Rebuild Orbitals
SLOT C - Year 1
-Y1: Lessons Learned: Abomination Fleets
-Y2: Alter Fleet Composition
-Y3: Upgrade Defenses (Avernus)
Starting repairs right off—while we're unlikely to keep the same fleet comp, getting started on fixing shit up soonest means we'll be back to an acceptable naval strength as fast as possible, and any ships surplus to our requirements can be sold off to the rest of the Trust
Still doing the fleet comp redo. We do want this early enough to alter our build/repair plan, and sooner is better that way.
I am holding off on doing any ship feasibility work though. I figure that Roskilde might have more applicable ship designs/tech, making it premature to start working on that if we can visit the area soonish—which I would like to do, just not this turn. I put in a defense upgrade for Avernus in the last slot because last I saw, Sarnow was happy with the defense level at Demiphobe and wanted to bring Avernus up to match it.
Administratum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Remove Battleships: Administratum
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Quarantine: Dis and the Lonely Citadel
-Y?: Educational Review
SLOT C - Year 1
-Y1-3: Educational Review
Doing the battleship removal and quarantine. Will have Thaddeus handle the rebuild. Filling out the 'extra' slots with an educational review—while an economic focus could help our Thrones situation, the Educational Review has better long-term benefits and I'm using a diplo action to trade for the Thrones.
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Trade Talks (Midgard)
-Y2: Contact the Ancient Wanderer
-Y?: Request Information (Muspelheim, Power Armor usage data/insights for Mass Power Armor Investigation action)
Trade with Midgard to get enough of their sweet, sweet Thrones to tide us over for a while. Contact the Ancient Wanderer because sooner is better than later, as she might wander away eventually. If we get lucky and have that take only a year, start picking up info for our Power Armor stuff.
Arbites
SLOT A- Year 1
-Y1: Delay Train Master Psyker Hunters
-Y1-?: Targeted Cultist Hunt (Dis) (repeat as long a season problem persists)
-Y?: Resume Train Master Psyker Hunters
Doing one batch of cultist hunts, leaving the super-elite training alone for now.
AdMech
SLOT A - Year 2 (Explorator)
-Y2: Unknown Metal
++DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2++
-Y3: Vortex Shells
++DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3++
SLOT B - Year 1 (Free)
-Y1: Complete Examination (Avernus Purification)
++DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1++
Having Tranth get the unknown metal done (hopefully) quick-ish, as our last fights have shown that hero-killing capabilities/gear is super important. Then doing Vortex Shells, as allowing our ships to punch up a weight class even if at significant expense and short duration is very worth it. True, Hulks aren't exactly armor-heavy, which is where Vortex shines the most, but that doesn't mean the shells won't fuck them up anyway.
Using our free slot for figuring out the Avernus purification to as great an extent as possible. I know, it's borderline heretical to use the free slot for Biologis actions, but this stuff is a Big Fucking Deal and we have a very rare chance now to poke at it.
Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Expedite: Cleanse Dis
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Purify Military
So, difficult decision here. Doing the cleansing immediately because Lin wants it as his highest priority and throwing an expedite on it because it seems like it's possible. The problem is that we need to choose between Preach and Purify Military. Ultimately I chose the military option, as an entrenched cult in our military is fucking horrifying and our frontline troops were probably exposed to a fair bit more corruption than the 'civilians'. If problems persist next turn we'll at least have a fully trustworthy military for enacting Martial Law with and Lin can focus his efforts on Preaching then.
Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 1 (Ridcully)
Y1: Wellspring of Power?
Y2: Mentoring: Alpha
Y3: Research (Temple Cats)
SLOT B - Year 1 (Aria)
Y1: Mentoring: Alpha
Y2: Create Psyker Order (Magebane)
SLOT C - Year 1 (Xavier)
Y1: Remove Battleships: Telepathica
SLOT D - Year 2 (Tamia)
Y2: Mentoring: Alpha
Y3: Research (Illusion Pine)
Hard choices here. First of all, it's Alpha time. While we have two right now, more would be better. Thus, three actions spent tutoring—overflow beyond max success rate level is fine, as it increases how good they are if they do pass. Didn't spend four because I want the ship out ASAP.
Ridcully does his now one year research to figure out what the hell is going on with him, does his stint in Mentoring, and then a quick action to finally (hopefully) figure out Temple Cats, just to knock that off the list. It's a long list, but one less thing on it is good.
Xavier is the best for helping move the ship due to decent administrative skill, being an excellent Choir conductor, and actually having enough power that he could feasibly help with the heavy lifting, even though TK isn't his focus.
Tamia finishes making warded armor, does some mentoring, and then studies the illusion pine. Doing that rather than anti-Ork powers due to the anemic success chances for anti-Ork stuff without DD and the interesting possibilities the pines have—Biologis actions got them *close* to deployable as a defensive measure on their own, and the illusion power they have seems to be able to snare everyone in the vicinity without conscious targeting. As it's just a year and a facet of her own specialization I figured it was a good choice.
Aria does some Mentoring, then uses her absolutely insane anti-psyker skills to found the order that plays to her strongest skills and was specifically mentioned as something that would be a good idea to make. If someone else wants to write up the specifics of the order goals I'll include that, otherwise I'll write them up myself.
Personal
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-?: Personal Attention: Curfew: Dis and the Lonely Citadel
-Y?: Educational Review
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-?: Personal Attention: Targeted Cultist Hunt (Dis)
-Y?: Educational Review
SLOT C - Year 1 (Thaddeus)
Y1-3: Thaddeus Expertise: Rebuild
SLOT D - Year 1
Y1-3: Speak to the People
Cult hunting (we're actually decent), rebuilding, and mitigating morale issues surrounding cults/keeping people up to date.
Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Take over Personal Attention: Expand Helltroopers
Simple. We need both of our personal actions to be able to do the anti-cult work needed without delaying getting the higher tier psyker hunters, and we can't do the Recruit until year three anyway. Lesson's Leanred also don't need to be done this turn.
Void Command
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Construct: Repairs: First Step
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Rebuild Orbitals
SLOT C - Year 1
-Y1: Lessons Learned: Abomination Fleets
-Y2: Alter Fleet Composition
-Y3: Upgrade Defenses (Avernus)
Starting repairs right off—while we're unlikely to keep the same fleet comp, getting started on fixing shit up soonest means we'll be back to an acceptable naval strength as fast as possible, and any ships surplus to our requirements can be sold off to the rest of the Trust
Still doing the fleet comp redo. We do want this early enough to alter our build/repair plan, and sooner is better that way.
I am holding off on doing any ship feasibility work though. I figure that Roskilde might have more applicable ship designs/tech, making it premature to start working on that if we can visit the area soonish—which I would like to do, just not this turn. I put in a defense upgrade for Avernus in the last slot because last I saw, Sarnow was happy with the defense level at Demiphobe and wanted to bring Avernus up to match it.
Administratum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Remove Battleships: Administratum
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Quarantine: Dis and the Lonely Citadel
-Y?: Educational Review
SLOT C - Year 1
-Y1-3: Educational Review
Doing the battleship removal and quarantine. Will have Thaddeus handle the rebuild. Filling out the 'extra' slots with an educational review—while an economic focus could help our Thrones situation, the Educational Review has better long-term benefits and I'm using a diplo action to trade for the Thrones.
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Trade Talks (Midgard)
-Y2: Contact the Ancient Wanderer
-Y?: Request Information (Muspelheim, Power Armor usage data/insights for Mass Power Armor Investigation action)
Trade with Midgard to get enough of their sweet, sweet Thrones to tide us over for a while. Contact the Ancient Wanderer because sooner is better than later, as she might wander away eventually. If we get lucky and have that take only a year, start picking up info for our Power Armor stuff.
Arbites
SLOT A- Year 1
-Y1: Delay Train Master Psyker Hunters
-Y1-?: Targeted Cultist Hunt (Dis) (repeat as long a season problem persists)
-Y?: Resume Train Master Psyker Hunters
Doing one batch of cultist hunts, leaving the super-elite training alone for now.
AdMech
SLOT A - Year 2 (Explorator)
-Y2: Unknown Metal
++DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2++
-Y3: Vortex Shells
++DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3++
SLOT B - Year 1 (Free)
-Y1: Complete Examination (Avernus Purification)
++DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1++
Having Tranth get the unknown metal done (hopefully) quick-ish, as our last fights have shown that hero-killing capabilities/gear is super important. Then doing Vortex Shells, as allowing our ships to punch up a weight class even if at significant expense and short duration is very worth it. True, Hulks aren't exactly armor-heavy, which is where Vortex shines the most, but that doesn't mean the shells won't fuck them up anyway.
Using our free slot for figuring out the Avernus purification to as great an extent as possible. I know, it's borderline heretical to use the free slot for Biologis actions, but this stuff is a Big Fucking Deal and we have a very rare chance now to poke at it.
Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Expedite: Cleanse Dis
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Purify Military
So, difficult decision here. Doing the cleansing immediately because Lin wants it as his highest priority and throwing an expedite on it because it seems like it's possible. The problem is that we need to choose between Preach and Purify Military. Ultimately I chose the military option, as an entrenched cult in our military is fucking horrifying and our frontline troops were probably exposed to a fair bit more corruption than the 'civilians'. If problems persist next turn we'll at least have a fully trustworthy military for enacting Martial Law with and Lin can focus his efforts on Preaching then.
Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 1 (Ridcully)
Y1: Wellspring of Power?
Y2: Mentoring: Alpha
Y3: Research (Temple Cats)
SLOT B - Year 1 (Aria)
Y1: Mentoring: Alpha
Y2: Create Psyker Order (Magebane)
SLOT C - Year 1 (Xavier)
Y1: Remove Battleships: Telepathica
SLOT D - Year 2 (Tamia)
Y2: Mentoring: Alpha
Y3: Research (Illusion Pine)
Hard choices here. First of all, it's Alpha time. While we have two right now, more would be better. Thus, three actions spent tutoring—overflow beyond max success rate level is fine, as it increases how good they are if they do pass. Didn't spend four because I want the ship out ASAP.
Ridcully does his now one year research to figure out what the hell is going on with him, does his stint in Mentoring, and then a quick action to finally (hopefully) figure out Temple Cats, just to knock that off the list. It's a long list, but one less thing on it is good.
Xavier is the best for helping move the ship due to decent administrative skill, being an excellent Choir conductor, and actually having enough power that he could feasibly help with the heavy lifting, even though TK isn't his focus.
Tamia finishes making warded armor, does some mentoring, and then studies the illusion pine. Doing that rather than anti-Ork powers due to the anemic success chances for anti-Ork stuff without DD and the interesting possibilities the pines have—Biologis actions got them *close* to deployable as a defensive measure on their own, and the illusion power they have seems to be able to snare everyone in the vicinity without conscious targeting. As it's just a year and a facet of her own specialization I figured it was a good choice.
Aria does some Mentoring, then uses her absolutely insane anti-psyker skills to found the order that plays to her strongest skills and was specifically mentioned as something that would be a good idea to make. If someone else wants to write up the specifics of the order goals I'll include that, otherwise I'll write them up myself.
Personal
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-?: Personal Attention: Curfew: Dis and the Lonely Citadel
-Y?: Educational Review
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-?: Personal Attention: Targeted Cultist Hunt (Dis)
-Y?: Educational Review
SLOT C - Year 1 (Thaddeus)
Y1-3: Thaddeus Expertise: Rebuild
SLOT D - Year 1
Y1-3: Speak to the People
Cult hunting (we're actually decent), rebuilding, and mitigating morale issues surrounding cults/keeping people up to date.
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- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
Durin actually corrected that like 12 hours ago.
- Location
- Australia
Change all of the Arbite actions to dealing with cults. The lesson we learned last time is to put absolutely all our effort into crushing cults. Having two slots do anything but hunt cultists for two full years is unacceptable.
HanEmpire
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- Berkeley
I'm okay with delaying the Master Psyker Hunters, but do you really think that we can delay the Super-Elite program without causing some issues there?
- Location
- Australia
No, but the issues caused there will be less than the issues caused by not using that slot on dealing with cultists. Again, the lesson we learned wasn't "put almost but not quite all effort on dealing with cultists", it was "EVERYTHING on cultists".
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
That action can only be taken during the turn said Alpha will be passing trials, the only Alpha in training we have is still in 6-10 year range and there should still be 3 or so turns before her trials.
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- madison
I thought we were going to have an option to see what eats the titan wreaks? or monitor the corrupt items outside dis to see what eats the corruption. am I just not seeing those actions?
Has @Durin said this is a thing we can actually do? It doesn't seem like a biological study, so much as a psychic one, and it's not aimed at any species in particular either.
I'm also not sure about a Complete Examination even if it is an option, because whatever Chaos stuff is left out in the wild is going to be purified well before six years has passed.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
IIRC he said we can write in a preliminary examination.
HanEmpire
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So Preliminary studies can do it.
- Location
- Berkeley
Bleh, looks like @DeusFerreus is right and our next Alpha isn't for a few years. Between that and sorting out exactly what level of study on the corruption-removing plants/animals is possible it looks like I'll need to do some major editing to the plan. I'll do so tomorrow, unless someone else puts together something workable in the mean time.
So after a tremendous amount of fiddling, and deciding to discard the proportional weapons split between classes since they all add up to 100% or 100.5% I'm assuming that proportional split is just to indicate what weapons are targeting what ships.
This is how many Waagh level 2 (since Waagh gives +20% armor per level it will vary with level) Ork Ravager/Savage/Onslaught escorts can be killed per turn by 10 of each of these sizes of battery at each range. I'm not sure how many escort class weapon mounts can fit in place of a cruiser mount, but they likely aren't effective since you'd need more than a 2:1 exchange ratio to make them better at any point. Brute and Hook ork escorts have slightly more armor, which will heavily skew it towards cruiser weapons, and slightly towards short range weapons.
Short ranged weapons predominate at short and medium ranges, which in any direct confrontation will be most of the range the escorts operate at. For harassment operations where you try to stay at the edge of the enemy ranges the long range weapons will be more effective, though you still won't be able to inflict very much damage.
I will likely try to compute survivability against typical ork escorts next. Perhaps for the sake of sanity using an average of the weapons of all ork escort types evenly.
(Edited chart, forgot to set time parameter.)
This is how many Waagh level 2 (since Waagh gives +20% armor per level it will vary with level) Ork Ravager/Savage/Onslaught escorts can be killed per turn by 10 of each of these sizes of battery at each range. I'm not sure how many escort class weapon mounts can fit in place of a cruiser mount, but they likely aren't effective since you'd need more than a 2:1 exchange ratio to make them better at any point. Brute and Hook ork escorts have slightly more armor, which will heavily skew it towards cruiser weapons, and slightly towards short range weapons.
Short ranged weapons predominate at short and medium ranges, which in any direct confrontation will be most of the range the escorts operate at. For harassment operations where you try to stay at the edge of the enemy ranges the long range weapons will be more effective, though you still won't be able to inflict very much damage.
I will likely try to compute survivability against typical ork escorts next. Perhaps for the sake of sanity using an average of the weapons of all ork escort types evenly.
(Edited chart, forgot to set time parameter.)
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