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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
A mix of habit and adaptation
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Its in the must read omake section.
@Durin
1. Out of curiosity how far into the future could Ridcully see if he really pushed himself?
2. Out of more curiosity which bits of my Jacob omake was canon?
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. in normal circumstances, millennia though only very vaguely, with the future in flux as it is now, a century or two. he is primiarly a Farseer rather then a Foreseer though so somone with a more related Paragon trait could see further
2. wait and see
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
mmm
@Durin
1. Are you willing to say how you scale the Eldar Farseer trait compared to humans? IIRC when Ridcully went grandmaster diviner the description said he was equal to a young inexperienced farseer, but by the time he went paragon he was equal to their great Farseers? Does this mean all Great Farseers are paragons or something similar?
Sorry. sorry...just really nervous...
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. pretty much Farseer = Grandmaster Diviner, Master Farseer = Paragon Diviner
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
@Durin
1. How viable would be a Mechanicus project to develop Hulkbuster Cyclonic Torpedoes?
From what I understand most of the payload of the cyclonic torpedo is wasted when used on Hulks (because even one cyclonic torpedo should be more than enough to destroy regular 53km asteroid, instead of 6+ needed for Da Krumpa) due to uneven structure and density, and their success relies heavily on hitting close enough to important systems or structural supports. So what about having multiple weaker (thus cheaper) cyclonic torpedoes? They would still be powerfull enough to penetrate deeply and destroy important targets, and larger numbers means they are more likely to hit something vital.
Hulkbuster torpedoes should also includes some modifications that makes more suited to open combat, tougher armor/shields (maybe something akin to powerful short-lived shield Ace armor uses?) and faster engines would probably be the choices, since stealth seems mostly pointless against Orkish point defenses which rely on volume of fire and luck much more than the whole "targeting" thing (though making it look like regular torpedo shouldn't be too hard and might be enough to fool most Orks).
1. How viable would be a Mechanicus project to develop Hulkbuster Cyclonic Torpedoes?
From what I understand most of the payload of the cyclonic torpedo is wasted when used on Hulks (because even one cyclonic torpedo should be more than enough to destroy regular 53km asteroid, instead of 6+ needed for Da Krumpa) due to uneven structure and density, and their success relies heavily on hitting close enough to important systems or structural supports. So what about having multiple weaker (thus cheaper) cyclonic torpedoes? They would still be powerfull enough to penetrate deeply and destroy important targets, and larger numbers means they are more likely to hit something vital.
Hulkbuster torpedoes should also includes some modifications that makes more suited to open combat, tougher armor/shields (maybe something akin to powerful short-lived shield Ace armor uses?) and faster engines would probably be the choices, since stealth seems mostly pointless against Orkish point defenses which rely on volume of fire and luck much more than the whole "targeting" thing (though making it look like regular torpedo shouldn't be too hard and might be enough to fool most Orks).
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. not very, that requires an understanding of Cyclonic torpedoes far more advanced then you posses
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
@Durin
1. What tech level are our cyclonic torpedoes actually? Advanced of course, but how advanced.
- Location
- Asia
We need a hulkbuster!! Where is Tony Stark when you need him ? 
Seriously though, we need something to counter the hulks. We can't just send our infantry into the hulks.
I am sure that the surviving Primarchs must have created something to deal with hulks...
Seriously though, we need something to counter the hulks. We can't just send our infantry into the hulks.
I am sure that the surviving Primarchs must have created something to deal with hulks...
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- Alice Springs, Australia
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- England
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Not recently.
If you wanted me to name what inspired me, though, it would be Turn 102 Results, when Ridcully made the Divination and Durin posted those results.. specifically, the Space Wolves.
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The Renaissance
- Location
- England
Art in the imperium of man tended heavily towards either high religious culture, or lowbrow, highly censored mass media. While vast amounts of folktales, songs and low level visual art existed throughout the imperium it was very rare that these were transcribed beyond the planet they started out on, with only those with what the church deemed suitable being shared widely.
Within the Imperial church the decisions on what to make public, and what was heretical led to creatives regularly ending up being burnt alive, or at least censored to a high degree. Romance was a greatly censored topic, as was anything giving strength to the idea of individual satisfaction being something humans wanted.
The revelations of Saint Lin led to these restrictions being greatly lifted within the Imperial trust, and later, to a lesser degree, the dragons nest. While anything actually potentially chaotic was still clamped down upon incredibly hard suddenly individuals had a level of freedom to create rarely seen outside of backwater world's where Imperial rule was practically nominal.
This, along with the rise of literacy has led to a mass explosion in secular high culture. Whereas before musicians either sang praises to the emperor, or folksongs to a small audience now secular orchestras, bands and cogitator musicians (enabled by the technology found over Diepheobe) produced albums and symphonies of a class that hadn't been heard widely in over ten thousand years.
In addition, ancient music and stories, long deemed heretical was brought back into the fold. The archives of Muspellheim were a treasure trove for this, with a even few tales purported to have taken place before the birth of the emperor being found.
The average trust citizens were, for the most part, disinterested by this, but small communities of scholars especially on Muspellheim, Niflheim, and Averneus took to studying these ancient texts. The prize tales were a pair of long form poems, translated 3,000 years after the were written, detailing the tale of raiders attacking an ancient city, and the most cunning of these raiders journey home.
While theoretically, the communication with shapeshifting beings called gods was definitely heresy Lin carefully argued that as these tales were from before the rise of the emperor, it was in fact acceptable. He argued that these ancient people's moral system was as far from our own as is possible, and that as curiosities they were worth more than whatever tiny risk they posed.
In addition to the more ancient tales, millions of pages of literature were sifted through and translated by a vast delegation of pious priests Lin had sent to Muspellheim. Most of it was deemed harmless, and released to the public, while a few tales were put under very tight lockdown due to risks of depravity growing.
This rapidly growing body of work has been studied heavily by the academics of the trust, and several books have become widely popular, notably, the ancient English romantic tales by the ladies of house Brontë and Austin, and the detective tales of Conan-Doyle and Christie.
On top of the vast resovoir of fiction, philosophy and history, once almost forgotton concepts have once again began to thrive. While any philosophy going directly against the Imperial truth is still considered heretical, many dead ideas, such as empiricism, and logic, began to make a comeback. A few new philosophers have even arisen from the trust population.
The performance of ancient music, and pieces inspired by it however, has become enormous business in the trust. With the vast databases being analyzed carefully for memetic dangers by blessed cogitators, much of it again proved safe for public consumption, and has been publicised widely. Many of the once lost genres' have been revived, with strangely, an obscure one from the beginning of the dark age of technology named metal with a very high censorship rate becoming popular as bardic tunes on Asgard. It has been reasoned that this is because the knight pilots have already grown accustomed to its sound by the whirring of their chainsaws, though this statement was made by one of the Vanir, who almost entirely regard it as an artistic dead end.
Within the Imperial church the decisions on what to make public, and what was heretical led to creatives regularly ending up being burnt alive, or at least censored to a high degree. Romance was a greatly censored topic, as was anything giving strength to the idea of individual satisfaction being something humans wanted.
The revelations of Saint Lin led to these restrictions being greatly lifted within the Imperial trust, and later, to a lesser degree, the dragons nest. While anything actually potentially chaotic was still clamped down upon incredibly hard suddenly individuals had a level of freedom to create rarely seen outside of backwater world's where Imperial rule was practically nominal.
This, along with the rise of literacy has led to a mass explosion in secular high culture. Whereas before musicians either sang praises to the emperor, or folksongs to a small audience now secular orchestras, bands and cogitator musicians (enabled by the technology found over Diepheobe) produced albums and symphonies of a class that hadn't been heard widely in over ten thousand years.
In addition, ancient music and stories, long deemed heretical was brought back into the fold. The archives of Muspellheim were a treasure trove for this, with a even few tales purported to have taken place before the birth of the emperor being found.
The average trust citizens were, for the most part, disinterested by this, but small communities of scholars especially on Muspellheim, Niflheim, and Averneus took to studying these ancient texts. The prize tales were a pair of long form poems, translated 3,000 years after the were written, detailing the tale of raiders attacking an ancient city, and the most cunning of these raiders journey home.
While theoretically, the communication with shapeshifting beings called gods was definitely heresy Lin carefully argued that as these tales were from before the rise of the emperor, it was in fact acceptable. He argued that these ancient people's moral system was as far from our own as is possible, and that as curiosities they were worth more than whatever tiny risk they posed.
In addition to the more ancient tales, millions of pages of literature were sifted through and translated by a vast delegation of pious priests Lin had sent to Muspellheim. Most of it was deemed harmless, and released to the public, while a few tales were put under very tight lockdown due to risks of depravity growing.
This rapidly growing body of work has been studied heavily by the academics of the trust, and several books have become widely popular, notably, the ancient English romantic tales by the ladies of house Brontë and Austin, and the detective tales of Conan-Doyle and Christie.
On top of the vast resovoir of fiction, philosophy and history, once almost forgotton concepts have once again began to thrive. While any philosophy going directly against the Imperial truth is still considered heretical, many dead ideas, such as empiricism, and logic, began to make a comeback. A few new philosophers have even arisen from the trust population.
The performance of ancient music, and pieces inspired by it however, has become enormous business in the trust. With the vast databases being analyzed carefully for memetic dangers by blessed cogitators, much of it again proved safe for public consumption, and has been publicised widely. Many of the once lost genres' have been revived, with strangely, an obscure one from the beginning of the dark age of technology named metal with a very high censorship rate becoming popular as bardic tunes on Asgard. It has been reasoned that this is because the knight pilots have already grown accustomed to its sound by the whirring of their chainsaws, though this statement was made by one of the Vanir, who almost entirely regard it as an artistic dead end.
@Durin can you give me some tips for if I decide to write a history of valinor. We should know a least a biased account from prisoners taken for information during the great crusade, of course relayed to us by the holy inquisition.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Well I did ask at one point and the Trust is going through a cultural renaissance at the moment.
Maybe I should do my own thing on paintings and other stuff?
That'd be awesome.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
...Hatsune Miku, is that you?
- Location
- England
Not gonna lie, I think praetor might be referring to shards adventure of the knights rather than my little cultural exposé.
Unless you aren't I suppose.
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- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.