Sure, but getting "blessed" to that point requires a lot of favor. The Chaos Gods don't give out their gifts freely, after all. Valinor is an Abomination empire, but it's probably not even close to his most important one.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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Sure, but getting "blessed" to that point requires a lot of favor. The Chaos Gods don't give out their gifts freely, after all. Valinor is an Abomination empire, but it's probably not even close to his most important one.
Now that the Abomination found Saint Lyn that may change.
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So does anyone regret sending out most of the fleet? Because if the abomination cultists arrive this turn ir the turn after we are fucked.
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
It seems to only apply to characters.
@Durin
1. OK to do multiple Re-Investigate and Investigate actions? The ones pertaining to planets, not characters.
2. I assume that a lot of our (surviving) Battle Psykers will be getting promotions in the Turn 87 results?
2a. Primaris as well?
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It is as much can't as don't. All those sacrifices and rituals serve to build up energy which is then used to make changes. Without the prep-work they would need to give up some of their own vast but still finite power to give blessings. No warp entity will even willingly weaken themselves, especially not to empower another who might one day turn against them.
It is probably wise to keep Lin on Avernus itself from now on. Any Abomination (or Chaos in general) force big enough to threaten our defences is likely to provoke a response from the Planet-Mind.
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
..Incoming major Chaos Incursion? Repeat of the Slaneesh Incursion?
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- France
Here's hoping we finally reach Grandmaster of the Blade while fighting the Ork with the breastplate.
Now The abomination want to kill us even more because of Lin? If I remember right, didn't Lin say he only has a few decades left to live? Doesn't it mean the Ennemy is going to come pretty soon?
Also, we need that school! One day we'll make our own too...both to teach our incredible strategy as well as swordplay.
Now The abomination want to kill us even more because of Lin? If I remember right, didn't Lin say he only has a few decades left to live? Doesn't it mean the Ennemy is going to come pretty soon?
Also, we need that school! One day we'll make our own too...both to teach our incredible strategy as well as swordplay.
I'm pretty sure Lyn has at least another 100-150 years in him, as opposed to the near-millennium he would otherwise have.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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I found this hidden among the naval options. Is it supposed to be there?
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Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
I really hope we spend some time with Lin and Ridcully, btw. Tranth as well. They've been with us for so long!
There might even be relationship bonuses. Helping out Ridcully's abysmal admin score can't hurt, either. Arguably a good part of costs and time in the Telepathica department may be attributable to poor admin. Psykers aren't good adminstrators unless very sane.. not that they have time to even practice that!
There might even be relationship bonuses. Helping out Ridcully's abysmal admin score can't hurt, either. Arguably a good part of costs and time in the Telepathica department may be attributable to poor admin. Psykers aren't good adminstrators unless very sane.. not that they have time to even practice that!
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Maybe, buuut it sounds more like a major abomination empire is more likely to send large amounts of forces to try and crush us and maybe use Valinor as a base.
Not good either, but more likely to have what you're describing.
Nope. If they come this turn Avernus will be ready anyway and even then it wouldn't have mattered, half or even 3/4ths of the fleet wouldn't have been able to turn aside a full Abomination armada.
He had three hundred years when he got it, so he's probably got about 15-20+ more turns.
Its probably for the miracle of the ships surviving
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Nah, doesn't add up with the locked options and its got no description. The thing at the top says two are locked, but including that one, three are. Its probably an error or its been incorrectly migrated from Repair.
The full qoute makes it more clear.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
So, I think we NEED to use a personal action to go get in a fight with the Black Crystal Ork ASAP.
Recruit and Repair, because we need more doods to kill off the Orks, and our fleet is important.
Thinking we may want to try and use Ridcully to help the "Investigate the Old One Stations" thing, because I rather want to know as much as possible about them.
Recruit and Repair, because we need more doods to kill off the Orks, and our fleet is important.
Thinking we may want to try and use Ridcully to help the "Investigate the Old One Stations" thing, because I rather want to know as much as possible about them.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
I know it was there in error, I was stating that its existence was probably due to the ships all being repairable.
CrackedCosmonaut
I am not angry.
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- East
Here is a novel idea.
After we defeat the orc and take the black Crystal...
Give the black crystals to Saint Lin to add bonuses.
For instance, removing the curse is best on the first time.
One of the major problems we will encounter when the Abomination arrives, is our own people being turned.
Saint Lin is probably our only counter to that.
Over the years, we have built up enough experience that we could probably survive without them.
After we defeat the orc and take the black Crystal...
Give the black crystals to Saint Lin to add bonuses.
For instance, removing the curse is best on the first time.
One of the major problems we will encounter when the Abomination arrives, is our own people being turned.
Saint Lin is probably our only counter to that.
Over the years, we have built up enough experience that we could probably survive without them.
Nice rewards.
Going to focus on next turn plans.
Note that this is needed in addition to the current expansion. The Orks are a more urgent issue, but we shouldn't delay this one at all. I think we want to start this within the next 2 years, which means locking up our one Military action.
Okay, so how to handle the Orks. Note that Containment effects all strongholds, and does not have a chance of success reduction the way the others do. For example, siege on all Ork strongholds would have a base of 5% chance of success.
So basically we want to constantly have an Ork Containment action ongoing throughout this effort. That's going to lock up one of our Personal Actions for at least four years, maybe longer.
Now we might be able to reduce the risk of going without containment by targeting Ork fortresses in an order that divides them enough that they cannot link up even without containment actions.
Current Ork fortresses are:
Duat (central to the region's cities, possible link up with Beirut and Okefenokee Orks)
In the Everglades to the west of Okefenokee (possible link up with Duat and Beirut Orks)
In the Everglades near The Bayou ruins (possible link up with Aridia Orks)
In Aridia, east of Beirut, (possible link ups with Duat, other Aridia Orks, and The Bayou)
In Aridia "central" location between Babylon and Salem (possible link ups with other Aridia Orks and the Bayou)
In Aridia between Silver Lake and Salem, (possible link up with other Aridia Orks, The Bayou)
In Aridia between Salem and Hollin, (possible link up with other Aridia Orks, The Bayou, and Lindon Orks)
In Lindon between the Unseen University and Lorien, (possible link up with the Aridia Orks and the Spine Orks)
In Avernus Spine between Casarrondo and Gormec (possible link up with Lindon and Malea Orks)
In Elysium west of Malea, on the railway connection to Avernus Spine (possible link up with the Yphax and Spine Orks)
In Elysium south of Yphax, (possible link up with the Malea Orks)
Based on that, Aridia is the location that needs cleaning out first. Combined with taking out either The Bayou and Avernus Spine, or Lindon and Malea Orks that would help isolate the Ork forts a lot. Duat is probably a priority target because of the Black Crystal.
Additional thoughts are that the Siege action is useful for softening up a fortress, but is action costly, especially in comparison with the Bombardment action which targets all Ork forts.
Also, the Assault action is best used after softening the Ork forts. This leads me to think that our first year should be a Personal Action Containment, and a Personal Action Lessons Learned, with an Orbital Bombardment action, and that we begin assaulting in year two.
This is an interesting question, since Harassment and Siege tactics actually strongly compliment each other. We took a lot of casualties in our harassment force, but siege is our specialty. Basically do we want to improve our specialty or do we want to make our forces a bit more rounded in a way that compliments our specialty. Leaning towards siege, but harassment is actually a very good choice too.
So these are the three actions to choose in response to the Garkill invasion. I'm leaning towards just four years of bombardment. Frankly, I don't want to move the Orbitals back right now because if any serious threat appeared we'd probably lose them anyway without the support of the fleet. Repair would be nice to get started on, but I think we need the bombardment more.
Obvious Administorum action is obvious
Hmm... is there still an unfilled colonization site in Iota? I thought there where only five available.
Interesting. You know, maybe we ought to pursue a closer relationship at lower levels with Midgard. Since we are the two major sources of Trust military, maybe some joint training exercises? Also, some cultural exchange programs, and maybe some joint celebrations of the defeat of the Chaos invasion of Midgard?
Since Midgard is going to be providing the majority of Trust colonists, having a good relationship between our people and the common people of Midgard would be beneficial.
In general on Diplomacy, we obviously want some investigations, however there are a few other possibilities:
1: Combat coordination with the Trolls for attacking the Orks in Avernus Spine?
2: Notifying the Sirens about the Ork fortress west of Malea and suggesting that they are fair game for eating?
3: Collecting information about the campaign and developing propaganda for distribution to the rest of the Trust (including some pieces on the Quartok Death Harbingers and the psykers)
Obviously we want the sword school started, but there is the question of whether this might be a good time to encourage a better view of the Quartok. Fighting in a war together with the Quartok as allied auxiliaries is often a good time for this kind of thing. If we can get any extra bonuses because of this it might be a good time to do it.
We ought to review our current Spy Networks and decide if there is anything else we would like to build on.
Hmm... we could use some new ideas here. I'd kind of like to do something to make the Church tie the Trust more closely together. Perhaps some kind of Trust wide building project?
Also, might be worth having Ridcully look for dangers specific to Saint Lin.
So Valinor has seers too...
Also... is there any possible way to take advantage o the disarray in Valinor...
So... thinking about the divination abilities. Obviously want to spend one action on Divination Attacks. Might be worthwhile to consider investigating something specific such as say... Valinor's agricultural world.
On wards... leaning towards warding Void Shields first. On the other hand, if we intend to attack Valinor soon, then Wards on the Fleet and Folkvangr would be most beneficial.
So many more things to research....
And everything else we need to do. By the way, there 4 Betas and 11 Gammas coming up for testing in the next four years.
You know... I hate to be cold blooded about this but... we really need a spare heir.
So two of these actions are going to be locked up dealing with Orks for four years.
Another action will be locked on Thaddeus defense upgrades.
That leaves one action slot available for all four years. I'd say one Speak to the People (it's thematic since they just did an amazing job fulfilling our role as the Fortress world of the Trust, and we also have a morale slot open for a +1) followed by three spend time with people. Jane, Lin and Klovis Ultran perhaps?
We should probably establish a Spy Network on Byzantium too...
I don't think we want to Siege all strongholds, as that gives us only a base of 5% chance of success.
Going to focus on next turn plans.
Note that this is needed in addition to the current expansion. The Orks are a more urgent issue, but we shouldn't delay this one at all. I think we want to start this within the next 2 years, which means locking up our one Military action.
Okay, so how to handle the Orks. Note that Containment effects all strongholds, and does not have a chance of success reduction the way the others do. For example, siege on all Ork strongholds would have a base of 5% chance of success.
So basically we want to constantly have an Ork Containment action ongoing throughout this effort. That's going to lock up one of our Personal Actions for at least four years, maybe longer.
Now we might be able to reduce the risk of going without containment by targeting Ork fortresses in an order that divides them enough that they cannot link up even without containment actions.
Current Ork fortresses are:
Duat (central to the region's cities, possible link up with Beirut and Okefenokee Orks)
In the Everglades to the west of Okefenokee (possible link up with Duat and Beirut Orks)
In the Everglades near The Bayou ruins (possible link up with Aridia Orks)
In Aridia, east of Beirut, (possible link ups with Duat, other Aridia Orks, and The Bayou)
In Aridia "central" location between Babylon and Salem (possible link ups with other Aridia Orks and the Bayou)
In Aridia between Silver Lake and Salem, (possible link up with other Aridia Orks, The Bayou)
In Aridia between Salem and Hollin, (possible link up with other Aridia Orks, The Bayou, and Lindon Orks)
In Lindon between the Unseen University and Lorien, (possible link up with the Aridia Orks and the Spine Orks)
In Avernus Spine between Casarrondo and Gormec (possible link up with Lindon and Malea Orks)
In Elysium west of Malea, on the railway connection to Avernus Spine (possible link up with the Yphax and Spine Orks)
In Elysium south of Yphax, (possible link up with the Malea Orks)
Based on that, Aridia is the location that needs cleaning out first. Combined with taking out either The Bayou and Avernus Spine, or Lindon and Malea Orks that would help isolate the Ork forts a lot. Duat is probably a priority target because of the Black Crystal.
Additional thoughts are that the Siege action is useful for softening up a fortress, but is action costly, especially in comparison with the Bombardment action which targets all Ork forts.
Also, the Assault action is best used after softening the Ork forts. This leads me to think that our first year should be a Personal Action Containment, and a Personal Action Lessons Learned, with an Orbital Bombardment action, and that we begin assaulting in year two.
This is an interesting question, since Harassment and Siege tactics actually strongly compliment each other. We took a lot of casualties in our harassment force, but siege is our specialty. Basically do we want to improve our specialty or do we want to make our forces a bit more rounded in a way that compliments our specialty. Leaning towards siege, but harassment is actually a very good choice too.
So these are the three actions to choose in response to the Garkill invasion. I'm leaning towards just four years of bombardment. Frankly, I don't want to move the Orbitals back right now because if any serious threat appeared we'd probably lose them anyway without the support of the fleet. Repair would be nice to get started on, but I think we need the bombardment more.
Obvious Administorum action is obvious
Hmm... is there still an unfilled colonization site in Iota? I thought there where only five available.
Interesting. You know, maybe we ought to pursue a closer relationship at lower levels with Midgard. Since we are the two major sources of Trust military, maybe some joint training exercises? Also, some cultural exchange programs, and maybe some joint celebrations of the defeat of the Chaos invasion of Midgard?
Since Midgard is going to be providing the majority of Trust colonists, having a good relationship between our people and the common people of Midgard would be beneficial.
In general on Diplomacy, we obviously want some investigations, however there are a few other possibilities:
1: Combat coordination with the Trolls for attacking the Orks in Avernus Spine?
2: Notifying the Sirens about the Ork fortress west of Malea and suggesting that they are fair game for eating?
3: Collecting information about the campaign and developing propaganda for distribution to the rest of the Trust (including some pieces on the Quartok Death Harbingers and the psykers)
Obviously we want the sword school started, but there is the question of whether this might be a good time to encourage a better view of the Quartok. Fighting in a war together with the Quartok as allied auxiliaries is often a good time for this kind of thing. If we can get any extra bonuses because of this it might be a good time to do it.
We ought to review our current Spy Networks and decide if there is anything else we would like to build on.
Hmm... we could use some new ideas here. I'd kind of like to do something to make the Church tie the Trust more closely together. Perhaps some kind of Trust wide building project?
Also, might be worth having Ridcully look for dangers specific to Saint Lin.
So Valinor has seers too...
Also... is there any possible way to take advantage o the disarray in Valinor...
So... thinking about the divination abilities. Obviously want to spend one action on Divination Attacks. Might be worthwhile to consider investigating something specific such as say... Valinor's agricultural world.
On wards... leaning towards warding Void Shields first. On the other hand, if we intend to attack Valinor soon, then Wards on the Fleet and Folkvangr would be most beneficial.
So many more things to research....
And everything else we need to do. By the way, there 4 Betas and 11 Gammas coming up for testing in the next four years.
You know... I hate to be cold blooded about this but... we really need a spare heir.
So two of these actions are going to be locked up dealing with Orks for four years.
Another action will be locked on Thaddeus defense upgrades.
That leaves one action slot available for all four years. I'd say one Speak to the People (it's thematic since they just did an amazing job fulfilling our role as the Fortress world of the Trust, and we also have a morale slot open for a +1) followed by three spend time with people. Jane, Lin and Klovis Ultran perhaps?
We should probably establish a Spy Network on Byzantium too...
I don't think we want to Siege all strongholds, as that gives us only a base of 5% chance of success.
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- Germany
We've had it often enough: We are a Dictatorship, not a Monarchy, we have a functional chain of command and one of our advisors can take over without causing crisis and uprising.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Unfortunately no when we asked @Durin what happens when Lin has them they actually hurt him.
Who'd have thought the man being killed by his own soul would have been harmed by items that enhance the soul.
We've also done an action to remove the curse and our population is now one of the most resistant to chaos thanks to natural selection, only matched by Nifleheim and Muspelhiem.
As proof
ALSO
@Durin/@Addio has the reward been shown yet or are we waiting for the diplomacy section next turn to light up like a Christmas tree?
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
We actually have quite significant bonus's in harassment thanks to criting the Dark Eldar lesson's learned.
Pretty much what I think, lets eliminate the orks and then everything can return to complete normal.
Wiggles hands.
The problem there is that anything of that sought would probably need to be done on Midgard, other wise we'd probably lose half the people they send.
I am all for it though, especially if we can give the Midgardian's training against super elites and us training against mass disciplined troops (a subset we haven't really been able to do.)
In fact it'd be quite a nice project if we could get all the Trust worlds to do cross military training outside the Imperial Guard.
Adding that to question for @Durin.
Nothing I can really think of.
The only thing I can think of would be infiltrating and helping out their cult hunters, but I think that'd probably be seen as insulting.
I had an idea for setting up a Pilgrimage route following Lin's path as he united the church...
Honestly given abomination BS I'm less interested in the Agri world, I think we should cripple their ship yards/target their fleet.
We know they have two main ship building locations, we cripple them then they're stuffed, especially if we start raiding the fleet they have left.
Can we even do that with the fleet away?
Maybe, but IC and we've got a good system.
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- Leeds
It was suggested that we could correspond with Julius exchanging tips and tricks about how to administrate.
It would however cause a major conflict with Vanaheim
Lesson's Learned can wait until next turn, so we don't need to do that yet. Personally I'm thinking we siege two strongholds (probably Duat and maybe one in Aridia) and then Assault them in a year. The one in Duat has a lot of Orks in it, and the leader will be BCJ boosted, so I don't want to underestimate him. After that we just do a couple Assaults every year, and Double Down on all of our Assaults.
It was seven. Two at the lake, two in the delta, three in the desert.
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- Germany
Possibly, but a new wife wouldn't change that unless she's a Vanir too.