Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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1. How long would it take to build one.
2. How expensive would it be to maintain it?
Cause the Legend is full Gloriana.
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2. How expensive would it be to maintain it?
Cause the Legend is full Gloriana.
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- madison
have we done enough damage to the ork fleet to signifagnatly affect the outcome if the trust fleet fights though the trap?
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
yes a Gloriana would be considered to be a Dreadnought like the Legand
1. with current shipyards it would take 60 years, 30 with the next size up. for this time it would use all of Vanaheim's largest shipyard and it would cost half a million AM a year and 4k EM
construction costs would be around 90 million AM and 300k EM, though they will halve of you get the next level of shipyard
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
yes you have, inparticular the fact that you have crippled the number of Ork Kroozers and greatly reduced their escorts and attack craft means that the Imperial Trust Guard will have a massive maneuvering advantage
hover the decision has been made and even with this you will lose at least a third of the Imperial Trust's fleet, which both leaves you vulnerable and would make the planned counter attack very risky
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Bloody hell.
1. I get this is probably a terrible question, but would the legend be higher tech than the Glorians? What with it being fully Dark Age rather than 30K admech tech which has Dark Age, but not massive amounts.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. yes it would be, the 4 Ragnarok Cannons alone would make short work of a Gloriana
- Location
- Australia
Congrats on getting canon!
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
HanEmpire
Delicious
That's basically the Imperium though.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
disturbingly appropriate
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
I would ask the mods by submitting your post for review and explain 40k to be a very dark universe.
- Location
- Australia
I'm not making an omake, hence my use of "just out of curiosity". I had already thought about how such a system might work and figured out it couldn't work.
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So, just an initial idea here. General thought is to initially focus our heavy hitters in two more central locations so that they can be moved around as needed using railways for potential counter attacks, and countering deployments of the enemy. Otherwise distribute relatively evenly, but with hardening up of the most vulnerable locations (Duat) and the most valuable locations (Psyker and Forge Cities).
Plan will be to require the enemy to siege our cites, and shuffle forces around to reinforce as needed. Azure Isles are considered relatively safe despite being cut off from the railway network. On the air force we can either keep the air force around the cites, and not contest the landing, or (my prefered action) try to establish air superiority by destroying all the enemy fighters in the initial landing (basically by attacking the landers and then switching to the fighters when they come out to defend the landers).
@Durin
1: What are our advisors thoughts on the deployment suggestions below?
2: What do they think of our chances of establishing air superiority by attempting to concentrate our forces during the initial landing and attacking enemy fighters during that period?
We have 18... so...
[] Psyker Choirs: Deploy Choir in each Psyker City
[] Psyker Choirs: Deploy Choir in each city of Duat
[] Psyker Choirs: Deploy Choir in each Forge-City
[] Psyker Choirs: Deploy Choir in each Hive
Should be 18 choirs there.
I'm not as worried about the Azure Isles. Orks didn't attack much there last time, and they are not very vulnerable to the Orks due to the difficulty of concentrating their forces.
Thinking this maybe?
[] Psyker Regiments: Half in the Hives, the rest Spread out evenly
[] Psyker Regiments: Deploy an additional two Regiments in each Psyker City
[] Psyker Regiments: Double the share of Forge-Cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
And this?
[] Psyker Teams: Half in the Hives, the rest Spread out evenly
[] Psyker Teams: Double the share of psyker cities (minimum increase of 1 Team)
[] Psyker Teams: Double the share of cities in Duat (minimum increase of 1 Team)
[] Psyker Teams: Double the share of Forge-Cities (minimum increase of 1 Team)
[] Helguard : Half in the Hives, the rest spread out evenly
[] Helguard : Double the share of psyker cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] Helguard : Double the share of cities in Duat (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] Helguard : Double the share of Forge-Cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
I'm thinking something like this:
[] Black Irons: Divided evenly between Silver Lake, Malea, Dorthonion, and Iota Three
That would put 1/4 of the Black Irons in each of the four regions best suited for what the Black Irons provide (I think: Desert, Plains, Forest, and Desert). But leaves them concentrated enough for potential counter attacks. Can use the railways to move them around (except for the 1/4 in Duat).
[] Phase-Tigers: Deploy in (Hollin)
Think we should keep them central. Hollin is another option.
Not sure how many companies we have available to deploy (EDIT: apparently 6), but leaning towards:
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Ridcully)
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Ridcully) x2
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Syr)
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Jane)
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Lin)
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Aryz)
(Aryz is more of a political gesture, but I think it's potentially worth it, otherwise x2 on Syr?)
Maybe this?
[] Heavy Armour: Split evenly between Silver Lake and Dorthonion
[] Helltroopers: Spread out evenly between all cities
If we are planing to contest the landing than I'd guess we'd want them concentrated:
[] Air Force: Divided evenly between Dis, Helm's Deep, and Hollin
That puts them all in the central areas and where they can support each other but can't all be neutralized by a lucky Rok strike.
On the other hand if we are planning to stay turtled around the cites then I'd guess:
[] Air Force: Spread out evenly between all cities
[] PDF: Spread out evenly between all cities
[] PDF: 50% increase in the share of psyker cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] PDF: 50% increase in the share of cities in Duat (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] PDF: 50% increase in the share of Forge-Cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] Aesir: 10% in Iota Two, 10% in Iota Five, 40% in Silver Lake, 40% in Dorthonion
The vote for the Svartalfar is missing, but I'm guessing the same question.
I'm leaning towards spreading them out evenly to bolster the cities for sieges:
[] Svartalfar Guard/Elites: Spread out evenly between all cities
[] Fire-Giants: All in (Dis)
[] Vargarian Guard: All in (Dis)
[] Vargarian Guard: Chaplain Horatius in (Dis)
Keep our two best chances of killing Garkill in DIs with us (as that is the most likely place he'll come). Also is central location and can be deployed elsewhere using railways.
Correct
Nope
Plan will be to require the enemy to siege our cites, and shuffle forces around to reinforce as needed. Azure Isles are considered relatively safe despite being cut off from the railway network. On the air force we can either keep the air force around the cites, and not contest the landing, or (my prefered action) try to establish air superiority by destroying all the enemy fighters in the initial landing (basically by attacking the landers and then switching to the fighters when they come out to defend the landers).
@Durin
1: What are our advisors thoughts on the deployment suggestions below?
2: What do they think of our chances of establishing air superiority by attempting to concentrate our forces during the initial landing and attacking enemy fighters during that period?
We have 18... so...
[] Psyker Choirs: Deploy Choir in each Psyker City
[] Psyker Choirs: Deploy Choir in each city of Duat
[] Psyker Choirs: Deploy Choir in each Forge-City
[] Psyker Choirs: Deploy Choir in each Hive
Should be 18 choirs there.
I'm not as worried about the Azure Isles. Orks didn't attack much there last time, and they are not very vulnerable to the Orks due to the difficulty of concentrating their forces.
Thinking this maybe?
[] Psyker Regiments: Half in the Hives, the rest Spread out evenly
[] Psyker Regiments: Deploy an additional two Regiments in each Psyker City
[] Psyker Regiments: Double the share of Forge-Cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
And this?
[] Psyker Teams: Half in the Hives, the rest Spread out evenly
[] Psyker Teams: Double the share of psyker cities (minimum increase of 1 Team)
[] Psyker Teams: Double the share of cities in Duat (minimum increase of 1 Team)
[] Psyker Teams: Double the share of Forge-Cities (minimum increase of 1 Team)
[] Helguard : Half in the Hives, the rest spread out evenly
[] Helguard : Double the share of psyker cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] Helguard : Double the share of cities in Duat (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] Helguard : Double the share of Forge-Cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
I'm thinking something like this:
[] Black Irons: Divided evenly between Silver Lake, Malea, Dorthonion, and Iota Three
That would put 1/4 of the Black Irons in each of the four regions best suited for what the Black Irons provide (I think: Desert, Plains, Forest, and Desert). But leaves them concentrated enough for potential counter attacks. Can use the railways to move them around (except for the 1/4 in Duat).
[] Phase-Tigers: Deploy in (Hollin)
Think we should keep them central. Hollin is another option.
Not sure how many companies we have available to deploy (EDIT: apparently 6), but leaning towards:
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Ridcully)
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Ridcully) x2
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Syr)
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Jane)
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Lin)
[] Governor's Own: Deploy a company to protect (Aryz)
(Aryz is more of a political gesture, but I think it's potentially worth it, otherwise x2 on Syr?)
Maybe this?
[] Heavy Armour: Split evenly between Silver Lake and Dorthonion
[] Helltroopers: Spread out evenly between all cities
If we are planing to contest the landing than I'd guess we'd want them concentrated:
[] Air Force: Divided evenly between Dis, Helm's Deep, and Hollin
That puts them all in the central areas and where they can support each other but can't all be neutralized by a lucky Rok strike.
On the other hand if we are planning to stay turtled around the cites then I'd guess:
[] Air Force: Spread out evenly between all cities
[] PDF: Spread out evenly between all cities
[] PDF: 50% increase in the share of psyker cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] PDF: 50% increase in the share of cities in Duat (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] PDF: 50% increase in the share of Forge-Cities (minimum increase of 1 Regiment)
[] Aesir: 10% in Iota Two, 10% in Iota Five, 40% in Silver Lake, 40% in Dorthonion
The vote for the Svartalfar is missing, but I'm guessing the same question.
I'm leaning towards spreading them out evenly to bolster the cities for sieges:
[] Svartalfar Guard/Elites: Spread out evenly between all cities
[] Fire-Giants: All in (Dis)
[] Vargarian Guard: All in (Dis)
[] Vargarian Guard: Chaplain Horatius in (Dis)
Keep our two best chances of killing Garkill in DIs with us (as that is the most likely place he'll come). Also is central location and can be deployed elsewhere using railways.
Correct
Nope
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Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
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- Fólkvangr
Sooo no Aryan race created by gene modding? Shame.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. The scattering of the Psyker Choirs will limit their ability to apply overwintering force but will allow them to reinforce more areas
The extra regiments in the Psyker Cites should be enough against all but the heaviest attack, and with the regiments as split out as they are there will be a regiment in every city to counter Wiedboyz and act as some super elites
The teams will be able to act effectivly in all areas, and you will have a major reserve int he Hives
This will provide both a level of reinforcement to all cities and a decent core of Helguard in each Hive
No issues with the Black Irons
Dis is the most central but Hollin is the environment they are most deadly in, and not that much less central
You have 6 available to deploy, otherwise Scott is not doable as she is on Diephobe
The heavy armour will remain concentrated in two locations that are liable to be attacked, this could be useful or it could be an issue as those locations have weaker defences then many and may be targeted for concentrated bombardment
No issues with spreading out the Helltroopers
I should mention that the air force does not include the militia air force, just your regulars
No issues with PDF
Will add Svartalfar vote but it is the same,
The Aesir follow your habit of concentrating your heavies in two cities that are your most vunerable to orbital bombardment and most likely to be attacked
No issues with Svartalfar, Vargains or Fire-Giants
Baron Ouroboros
Emerald Leaves and Crimson Petals
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- Vancouver
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- He/Him
1. What would be the Rock's power level?
2. This may sound ignorant, but don't the Mechanics have their skitarii?
2. This may sound ignorant, but don't the Mechanics have their skitarii?
Danger speech
dpara
slightly confused ascendant
Mini Omake - Danger speech
My fellow Avernites.
Within the next days the we expect roughly 20 billions orcs to come knocking on our doors.
I know everyone is exited to fight something less deadly for once, but please keep the doors shut.
Notably I governor Rothbart hereby invoke Total War Protocols.
Yes, this means usage of recreational high explosives is now allowed within city limits.
Please, keep an appropriate kill ratio with respect to damaging public structures.
Also there will be disciplinal hearings for anyone found luring lone orcs into fistfights.
..it's not efficient.
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My internal picture of the average Avernite being Steve Irwin is probably not canon compliant. ...just roll with it xD.
"'ere we see an orc jugganaut. beawtiful
Agh, he's cranky awlright!
I'm gonna wrastle him."
My fellow Avernites.
Within the next days the we expect roughly 20 billions orcs to come knocking on our doors.
I know everyone is exited to fight something less deadly for once, but please keep the doors shut.
Notably I governor Rothbart hereby invoke Total War Protocols.
Yes, this means usage of recreational high explosives is now allowed within city limits.
Please, keep an appropriate kill ratio with respect to damaging public structures.
Also there will be disciplinal hearings for anyone found luring lone orcs into fistfights.
..it's not efficient.
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My internal picture of the average Avernite being Steve Irwin is probably not canon compliant. ...just roll with it xD.
"'ere we see an orc jugganaut. beawtiful
Agh, he's cranky awlright!
I'm gonna wrastle him."
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Not sure I understand the thought here. It seems that you are concentrating the general forces in the Hives, while spreading our heavies (Aesir, Baneblades, Levithans etc) out all over the place.
It seems to me like the opposite is the best approach.
Evenly distribute the PDF, Heltroopers, and Helguard, since we can re-concentrate them using the railways if need be. So better to have them distributed so that every city is harder to initially roll over, allowing more time for reinforcements to arrive. (Perhaps with some extra concentration at the vulnerable and valuable locations, ie Duat and Forge/Psyker cities).
Meanwhile our heavies ought to be concentrated into two or three locations so that they can act together as a mighty fist for a counter attack. (Or reinforce once Garkill clearly commits his forces to attacking a specific location). Spreading them out makes little sense since they are most powerful in combination and that's almost certainly how we will want to deploy them.
It seems to me that deploying so many of the heavies to Duat is particularly damaging, since we will not be able to use them in counter attacks elsewhere. We should put the minimum of heavies in Duat (zero I think), and give Duat extra PDF/Heltroopers/Helguard instead.
This is more defensible, though I would prefer to have the Black Irons available as reinforcements and for counter offensives. Still I can see the reasoning behind giving the Black Irons the Duat cities to defend, as they will hold no matter the odds. Allowing us a lot more time to get reinforcements there.
This seems to commit us to not contesting the landing of Garkill's troops. This is probably the most important decision (other than the Aesir) so we might want to discuss this decision in more detail.
Particularly if you want to provide escorts to moving troops from Azure Isles (if they are not attacked again) or to or from Duat we will want them much more concentrated so that we have enough Cargo ships to move large numbers of troops and be defended by escorts.
This again seems very bad, as we want a minimum of Aesir in Duat, and most of the available to be moved to wherever we need to move them.
Not sure why you are deploying them there... Hollin or Dis are more central locations.
Isn't this our Garkill attack unit? Seems like we should keep them at central command until we know where Garkill is.
We have not divided them into different units. We specifically voted to keep them as a single unit.
We might deploy them in smaller units, but since they are better at infiltration, sabotage, and assassination, seems to me we should keep them together in the central location to be dispatched as needed.
Hmm... wondering if we should have the Gungnir switch to targeting Death's Harbringer. Softening it up before the main fleet arrives in two weeks.
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Okay...
Moved Phase Tigers initial deployment to Hollin.
Main two issues left is the concentration of the Aesir/Heavies and the Air Force.
Concentrating the Heavies/Aesir in two of the most likely targets was something I was intending. Glad to know that they are vulnerable.
On the one hand, this might be a very good idea as it puts our most powerful units in two of the most likely targets for massive attacks.
On the other hand, we could also deploy them to the region Hives and then reinforce later... avoiding potential damage in the initial bombardment.
I'm leaning towards keeping them in Silver Lake and Dorothian.
On the air force...
Maybe it would be better to describe what we want to do and then ask for the best deployment to accomplish it?
@Durin
I get that this is just our main air force, for the air force what would the best deployment for each of the following strategic goals:
1: Attempting to destroy the Ork fighter cover by attacking them during the initial landing
2: Attempting to eliminate/reduce the Ork landing craft during the initial landing
3: Bombing the initial landing positions before the Orks can fully deploy their anti-aircraft defences
4: Providing local air superiority around each city during an assault on the city, including bombing attack on assaulting columns
5: Attacks of opportunity on Ork transports/bombers/fighters that are small enough to be overwhelmed
6: Maintain the ability to reinforce cities (like the Azure Isles and Duat) by air
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- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. split between the Hives
2. split everywhere,
3. split between the hives
4. split everywhere
5. everywhere
6. double in selected regions and one of the others
you have hundreds of thousands of militia air wings, you may actually have the numbers in the air for quite some time
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
I'm throwing my support behind Elder Haman. You should concentrate your heavies in order to use them as a strategic unit, not parcel them out in penny packets everywhere. Its basically the difference between the French and British forces (Penny packets of armor all down the line) and the German Wehrmacht(smaller, less technologically advanced, but concentrated force) during the Battle of France. Concentration of force is necessary for successful offensive and defensive operations.