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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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Andres110 said:
Oh shit! Idea! Brilliant idea! Ok hear me out, the Varangian Guard we have with us have not had the best time with keeping knowledge thanks to their lifestyle, I mean their Techmarine could only do repairs on the simplest of wargear. It's not surprising that their Librarian would only have the basic psychic disciplines and none of the Librarian-only schools.

But what about the Blood Dragons? The Blood Dragons, so far as we know, have unlike the Varangians stayed together as a full chapter, whole and bunkered down in their planet. This means that their Librarium could very well be intact and they'd still have the Librarian-only schools. This is excellent on its own, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

You see, one of the Librarian-only schools is called Technomancy. It's exactly what it sounds like - it uses psychic powers to influence Machine Spirits and manipulate machinery. One of the powers of Technomancy repairs machines. I'm unsure of whether it's temporary or permanent, but what's important is that for at least a time, at long enough for it to last a battle, the machine is repaired. And our STC constructor is a machine.

If we can contact the Blood Dragons, get Technomancy from them, and have them repair the STC constructor with psychic powers, we will - for roughly the length of a battle at the least - have the Omnicopaeia.
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I don't think that's how that works.

I mean I wish that will be how it works... BUUUT, I doubt that's how it will work simply because even if you repair the physical machine the Data will still be lost.

Oh and we're also missing large chunks of it that the warp may not fill.
 
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Alex pears said:
I don't think that's how that works.

I mean I wish that will be how it works... BUUUT, I doubt that's how it will work simply because even if you repair the physical machine the Data will still be lost.

Oh and we're also missing large chunks of it that the warp may not fill.
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And Avernus seems to 'scrub' old shit from the Warp, and it's been busted for so long, and we don't even know if that Librarian-specific power is part of the Durin universe...
 
Reynal said:
And Avernus seems to 'scrub' old shit from the Warp, and it's been busted for so long, and we don't even know if that Librarian-specific power is part of the Durin universe...
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I think @Durin's said that a strong enough seer can get through the interference... maybe.

vsh said:
No they are not. Reliquary is a case or a vault for keeping relics. They can contain relics of any kind, including but not limited to dead body parts.
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I'll take you're word for it.
 
Andres110 said:
If we can contact the Blood Dragons, get Technomancy from them, and repair the STC constructor with psychic powers, we will - for roughly the length of a battle at the least - have the Omnicopaeia.
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I don't know. If it was that simple, Imperium would have done it by now. Broken STC parts are rare, but not unheard of. Using Librarians to extract data from them would have been a widespread practice.
 
Andres110 said:
Doesn't Cheating basically rely on strong seers being capable of getting through the interference?
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No it only works on stuff found off Avernus everything else gets the equivalent of floodlights in your face.

vsh said:
I don't know. If it was that simple, Imperium would have done it by now. Broken STC parts are rare, but not unheard of. Using Librarians to extract data from them would have been a widespread practice.
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No in this verse our STC is possibly the biggest find the admech have ever found.

Most of the time they find archeotech or blueprints.
 
Andres110 said:
Doesn't Cheating basically rely on strong seers being capable of getting through the interference?

EDIT: @Durin, has the Mechanicus studied the technology of the STC constructor itself?
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it has tied and given up as both to complex and to destroyed
also while Librarians can extract data from destroyed datacores their success chance goes down with time and contamination. By now you are not sure if a Paragon Liberian with a relevant trait would be able to get anything from the datacore,
 
Alex pears said:
No in this verse our STC is possibly the biggest find the admech have ever found.
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Broken STC constructor is a unique find, but various broken STC fragments are not. Same process could be applied to them with the same results. But nobody does theis, despite the simplicity of the idea. They are reverse-engineered the hard way. I think it's because Technomancy is limited in how deep in the past it can reach. It's one thing to repair the armor breached a hour ago and another to repair 15k years long one.
 
Durin said:
it has tied and given up as both to complex and to destroyed
also while Librarians can extract data from destroyed datacores their success chance goes down with time and contamination. By now you are not sure if a Paragon Liberian with a relevant trait would be able to get anything from the datacore,
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It was intact enough that Tranth could get printouts from it so its machine spirit from way back in the Dark Age is still there. Since "the machine spirit guards the knowledge of the ancients", wouldn't repairing the machine/healing the machine spirit allow us to gain its knowledge? I'm seeing it as the equivalent of waking up someone who's been in a coma and asking them questions instead of studying their distorted brainwaves while they're asleep with primitive scanners.

In other words, it's not about using Librarians to extract data, it's about fixing the machine and letting it give us data.
 
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vsh said:
Broken STC constructor is a unique find, but various broken STC fragments are not. Same process could be applied to them with the same results. But nobody does theis, despite the simplicity of the idea. They are reverse-engineered the hard way. I think it's because Technomancy is limited in how deep in the past it can reach. It's one thing to repair the armor breached a hour ago and another to repair 15k years long one.
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No the datacores are things like the fleet where we extracted our fleet, those contain STC fragments.

STC fragments are anything STC related, blueprints, data ect. With the exception of Mars and maybe a few other Forge Worlds we have the largest chunk of the STC in human history. A person cannot reconstruct a different STC with the blueprint for a different STC.

The reason techmancy wouldn't work is that even in datacores reconstructing data is hard,

We have an STC constructor, those things contained ALL STC data, every blue print ect. that is the STC that we have fragments of.
 
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@Durin, I still have a couple of questions:
1) Isn't it already obvious that efficiency of Phase-Tigers is spiritual, something-something power of friendship and determination?
2) Can Lin cleanse Chaos Space Marine geneseed? Especially if it comes from loyalist primarchs, so there is no spiritual link to Chaos Primarchs?
 
vsh said:
That someone has a wide hole right between the eyes, to continue the analogy.
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There is precedent, the Admech reconstruct destroyed titans basing it on wheter the machine spirit is still in there like Sanctus Forum, and can wait for thousands of years before doing so.

And these things can be broken as hell, much worse than our STC.
 
Alex pears said:
There is precedent, the Admech reconstruct destroyed titans basing it on wheter the machine spirit is still in there like Sanctus Forum, and can wait for thousands of years before doing so.

And these things can be broken as hell, much worse than our STC.
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Yeah, I just mean that waking guy with brain damage from a coma and asking him "What do you remember?" will likely result in "Huh? Who am I?"
 
The STC is dead, which is a good thing otherwise you would be dealing with a Black Crusade equivalent at the moment
 
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True Metal Power said:
@Durin, I still have a couple of questions:
1) Isn't it already obvious that efficiency of Phase-Tigers is spiritual, something-something power of friendship and determination?
2) Can Lin cleanse Chaos Space Marine geneseed? Especially if it comes from loyalist primarchs, so there is no spiritual link to Chaos Primarchs?
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1. no it isn't there are several other possible answers including
2. why would he want to try, it would be challenging, take a long time and have a low chance of success if it is even possible and you already have Space Marines
 
Actually, can someone explain to me why Chaos Space Marines taint their geneseed? From my understanding mutating geneseed tends to cause terrible mutations or just making them unusuable. We don't see all CSMs with mutations and the latter is undesirable.
 
Andres110 said:
Actually, can someone explain to me why Chaos Space Marines taint their geneseed? From my understanding mutating geneseed tends to cause terrible mutations or just making them unusuable. We don't see an abundance of the former in CSMs and the latter is undesirable.
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They don't decide to taint their geneseed.
Long time of being in the Eye or other Warpstorms does that automatically. Or the Marine himself being mutated.
Several factions of CSM actually try to keep their seed clean and almost all steal Geneseed from loyalist when they have the chance, to replace those that mutated into uselessness.
 
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