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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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NotteBoy97 said:
So as someone mostly unfamiliar with Warhammer 40k what are the differences between Avenus and a Daemon World besides Chaos?
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Avernus has no Chaos, no Legions of Daemons doing their thing, and isn't dictated by the whims of a Daemon, Greater of Princely. The parts we've seen still abide by the Laws of Physics for the most part, and it doesn't get twisted this way or that based on a powerful Daemon's desires.
 
NotteBoy97 said:
So as someone mostly unfamiliar with Warhammer 40k what are the differences between Avenus and a Daemon World besides Chaos?
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They make no sense, daemons are constantly fighting on the surface, and its impossible to destroy with exteminatus once it's gone full deamon world. Not sure if it CAN be taken back but if so it's extremely costly.

In the old Imperium entire systems may be off limits if a world in it becomes a Daemon world.

durin said:
even so assaulting a daemon world in enemy territory at the end of a over two month supply line sounds like a good way to lose armies to me
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Procurement onsite? We do also have those forward bases that Tranth just figured out.
 
I like the idea of taking out nearby daemonworlds, but I don't think taking the fight to them will be practical soon after the warp storm dies down.

From the reports we've gotten, there are nearby enemies that would love to capitalize on any openings we leave. While we can almost certainly afford to send out a raiding group of some type (I'm very much in favor of both blooding our navy and taking out the enemy's void assets), any group with enough combat power to go hunting for a specific daemon on a daemonworld is going to leave us under strength in terms of regiments that can move to reinforce a world under attack.

Once the Varangian Guard is fully established and we're in a position where the local threats are under control is another matter. I can very much see that campaign being used both to get some more Trust-wide military experience as well as provide a triumphant victory for the Marines.

Also, if we get a chance to kill the daemon organically I wouldn't be opposed to working on it. It's just that the cost/benefit ratio sucks balls for picking a fight with it at home, especially if it requires risking the black crystal sword.
 
Execute/Dumbo said:
Ah, that reminds me, who has the Crystal Necklace?
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We do. We have all the Black Crystal Jewellery.

HanEmpire said:
I don't think we've implemented any special training for survival on daemon worlds. Klovis-Ultan certainly hasn't released the details on how to raise Inquisitorial Storm Troopers or any file on the Ordo Malleas' experience with Daemon Worlds.
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We don't need any special details. Being good enough to fight on a Daemon World in both mind and body is probably one of the main requirements for becoming a Helltrooper.
 
NotteBoy97 said:
So as someone mostly unfamiliar with Warhammer 40k what are the differences between Avenus and a Daemon World besides Chaos?
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Whoof, yeah, what Han said, it's not just simple hatred of you, the entire planet and reality itself will restructure according to the will of whatever Daemon Prince is controlling it, and that Daemon Prince, at best, is going to kill you quickly, at worst?
Think of the absolute worst things that could be done to you, things that are so horrifying to your core that you'd rather die than have it happen to you, it'll be so much worse than that.
 
Andres110 said:
We do. We have all the Black Crystal Jewellery.
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No we don't, we don't know what other Black Crystal items there may be.
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durin said:
There is little more of interest in Champion Surt's message other then the fact that your Black Crystal Jewellery was found in the initial exploration of Avernus by a young explorer named Vlad, his last name having been forgotten. After his death Vlad left most the Black Crystal Jewellery to the President, or Governor as you would understand, of Helheim who used the ring you are now wearing as a signet. There are eleven pieces of the set that were found including another ring, a sword, a pistol and several pieces or armour.
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@durin the "or armour" should be corrected to "of armour".
 
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Execute/Dumbo said:
Okay, so to try and stop this argument over literal semantics, how about we give the necklace to Tamia? She's the one who could benefit the most from it.
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The Necklace's special ability is buffing mental defence, not telepathy. For the stuff that Tamia does, it buffs her abilities only as much as any other piece from the set and does so for all her psychic abilities, not just telepathy.
 
Andres110 said:
The Necklace's special ability is buffing mental defence, not telepathy. For the stuff that Tamia does, it buffs her abilities only as much as any other piece from the set and does so for all her psychic abilities, not just telepathy.
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What?
durin said:
Over the last two year Headmaster Ridcully has been carefully investigating the Black Crystal Necklace that you got off the Siren Queen that you killed over a century ago. He found that the Black Crystal Necklace boosts the ability of the wearer to communicate telepathically and to use telepathic powers, making it very useful for telepaths of all types.
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I think that's the crown's natural ability.
 
You know, since we were talking about daemon worlds earlier. Is there any reason we wouldn't just kink shame it with the force of a dozen cyclonic torpedoes by bombarding it with a dozen cyclonic torpedoes?
 
Ramble said:
You know, since we were talking about daemon worlds earlier. Is there any reason we wouldn't just kink shame it with the force of a dozen cyclonic torpedoes by bombarding it with a dozen cyclonic torpedoes?
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You can't perform Exterminatus on Daemon Worlds because the Daemon who controls it can just twist the laws of reality around the world to make the Exterminatus weapons harmless.
 
HanEmpire said:
You can't perform Exterminatus on Daemon Worlds because the Daemon who controls it can just twist the laws of reality around the world to make the Exterminatus weapons harmless.
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Well, not harmless. Weapons made to murder worlds still have a, lets say narrative weight, that can't be fully ignored by Warp-effects.

It's more that most Exterminatus weapons only burn the surface and a Daemonworld takes a lot less damage and can easily rebuild destroyed ares.
 
Ramble said:
You know, since we were talking about daemon worlds earlier. Is there any reason we wouldn't just kink shame it with the force of a dozen cyclonic torpedoes by bombarding it with a dozen cyclonic torpedoes?
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HanEmpire said:
You can't perform Exterminatus on Daemon Worlds because the Daemon who controls it can just twist the laws of reality around the world to make the Exterminatus weapons harmless.
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And when it doesn't make it harmless it instead gives it ideas.
 
My understanding of daemonworlds is that it's more that the daemon in charge can overrule the laws of the Materium more or less at will. It's not an I-win situation where they can effectively declare that any human on the world dies.

Thus traditional methods of doing an Exterminatus are total no-goes, but it might be possible to pull one off through less direct means. Off the top of my head, taking out the guiding intelligence (either by killing, lobotomizing, or mind controlling them) would remove a lot of the resistance the place has. Affecting it through the Warp would also be possible—although it would certainly take a shitload of pyromancers to pull that off. Finally, the Necron solution of figuring out a way to nullify the effects of he Warp in an area would also let us take the place out.

Of course, none of these potential solutions are what I'd call practical, and I can't even say that they'd work for sure. Still, the bragging rights from being able to say we pulled off destroying a daemonworld would be epic.
 
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