Remove ads

The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
Reader mode
atrophy said:
It can be a capital punishment or something like that for gene slave production - i imagine there is enough crime going around for 10-100k on the nine worlds ?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Azgrin said:
Thats how it usually works, you grab people headed for the gallows or servitor bays and instead use them to make more gene seed.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The issue is that it causes instability in the geneseed as well.

Ultramarines I know, but they can still mutate.

Azgrin said:
Iunno, yall seem to have the Abomination on lock down. All those Saint Lin actions and such.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Good for the majority of the populace.

Azgrin said:
Being able to get a full chapter of space marines seems like a pretty good risk to take. From there you can just do it as normal to expand them further.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The issue then becomes power.

Gulliman had a point when he broke up the legions and imposed the 1000 limit after all.

With the 1000+ olds we're good, but unless we can ensure they won't go rogue then we're in trouble.

atrophy said:
1,800 Land Raiders
300 Land Raider Annihilators

Those were found on the hypercarriers a few turns ago , jesus christ .

Thats like enough land raiders for i dont know how many space marines rofl.

Seriously you can roll up to the meeting with like a gift of like 5 regular ones and 3 annihilator freaking land raiders with like 1k each of gravity ,plasma and neutron weapons as a freaking gift in honor of surviving for so long and the imperial trust meeting glorious grandsons of the emperor or whatever and your stocks wouldnt even blink a eye ( seriously ur daot weaponry stash is insane and this can make a interesting impression - I THOUGHT for some reason giving weapons to the marines might be abit of a problem but you have insane stocks and could provide enough for several grand crusade legions omfg.. )

You can say that the emperor space marines being armed with impalers is so inadequate its disturbing for the weapons part and on the land raiders you can mention you have few thousand of them in a freaking warehouse somewhere gathering dust. ( the tech marine might die at that statement and the same for weapons aswell if they wonder about the generosity?Say something about the imperial tithe LOL) . Mention that you could probably give these weapons to all ultramarine chapters in existence ahahaha if you were pressed
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The 50% boost is there for a reason, we can outfit them with more shines than any group had during the great crusade.
 
Alex pears said:
The issue is that it causes instability in the geneseed as well.

Ultramarines I know, but they can still mutate.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Lore varies on that like with most things in the setting. Depends on the Durin ruling to be honest.
Alex pears said:
Gulliman had a point when he broke up the legions and imposed the 1000 limit after all.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
If that's an actual issue you could just do the same and break them into chapters. Shouldn't be that hard to have the smurfs go along with it, given who Grandpapa Smurf is.

Was just throwing a suggestion out, since the warp storm is ending soon.

*relurks*
 
Last edited:
Yeah i got that but i thought that land raiders werent available but decided to check some numbers on turn results of tech we loot from the ships and my eyes popped.

And my last post was also about more about arriving like a boss and making a insane impression to the space marines with some daot loot . Id personally like more than 1k space marines tough - 10k seems like a realistic number but 50 - 100k would be cool for the grand crusade vibe . It would be hilarious when the storms dissipate and you send a 10k detachment in the bossest gear possible to macragge to see whats going on and do the ultramarines need help :D .


Or do like 2500 "grand" chapters . If the numbers are high for abit more managable sizes so it doesnt get too many cooks in the kitchen or whatever is the english expression( if the numbers are boss tough only then ) . The number limit was abit artificial i imagine and trying to reform the marines into managable chunks . Seriously post heresy the primarch roles and effects seem to be kinda minimal considering how important they were but that might have been the point thanks to heresy i guess and the thought about the limitation ?

They can elect the local " chapter master " or whatever if the numbers are high with quazi primarch roles but not permament i guess for leadership? Or choose a leader for each campaign they are on so they work togheter okay.

I think there arent any active primarchs in the imperium at the moment of collapse i think beside roboute being stuck in stasis wich is sad?

How many loyalists are kinda alive in canon?lion, russ ,corvus , roboute , jaghatai , vulkan( im straight confused here) and thats it ? Wow reading wiki , only roboutes location is known and hes almost dead in stasis .. Corvus dissaparead during the heresy from depression , jaghatai died got captured by eldar , vulkan was last sighted at the divisons of the legions according to rumors and russ is "Hunting" for the tree of life to restore the emperor . Thats so fracking depressing and lion is missing wow.. . Sanguinus died at terra and manus died at isstvan and dorn died blunting the first black crusade of confirmed..

edit: christ you have no idea what a newb to 40k i was when i started reading horus heresy novels ( read like the first 20 books in 10 days and at end of it was depressed about the loyalists and have kinda swore off them beside reading summarys and stuff) and remember i didnt know that 40k was a epic grimdark universe .......... so yeah a bad moment when i realised again the loyalist primarchs fate. The emperor was a moron but it was almost comically horrorific outcome

Seriously vulkan getting captured and manus getting his head cut off during the dropsite massacre was such a fracking moment but i kept reading and hoping things would get better but i was so wrong.
 
Last edited:
Alex pears said:
Noooo please don't :(.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Heh, well the quest that takes the most of my time is on hiatus soooooo.

Honestly right now I just want to see the Smurfs rebuilt as fast as reasonably possible. Having a full first founding chapter would be ridiculous for giving the Trust legitimacy beyond reproach. 30 marines from a first founding chapter? Not so much.
 
atrophy said:
Yeah i got that but i thought that land raiders werent available but decided to check some numbers on turn results of tech we loot from the ships and my eyes popped.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
We can also make more.

Lots more.

atrophy said:
And my last post was also about more about arriving like a boss and making a insane impression to the space marines with some daot loot . Id personally like more than 1k space marines tough - 10k seems like a realistic number but 50 - 100k would be cool for the grand crusade vibe . It would be hilarious when the storms dissipate and you send a 10k detachment in the bossest gear possible to macragge to see whats going on and do the ultramarines need help :D .
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
After the Vanir fiasco I don't think we want to be throwing our weight around so much, besides that's the admech's job.

Besides Macragges on the other end of the galaxy from where we are I think.

atrophy said:
Or do like 2500 "grand" chapters . If the numbers are high for abit more managable sizes so it doesnt get too cooks in the over or whatever is the english expression( if the numbers are boss tough only then ) . The number limit was abit artificial i imagine and trying to reform the marines into managable chunks . Seriously post heresy the primarch roles and effects seem to be kinda minimal considering how important they were but that might have been the point thanks to heresy i guess and the thought about the limitation ?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The number limitation was imposed by Gulliman to stop marines from growing out of control and the chapter system implemented to stop another heresy.

Primarch's post heresy was Gulliman and the codex and then they all either died or vanished.

The last Primarch confirmed in the Imperium was Vulkan who killed THE BEAST in M32

Azgrin said:
Heh, well the quest that takes the most of my time is on hiatus soooooo.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Deus Ex Mechanicus right?

Azgrin said:
Honestly right now I just want to see the Smurfs rebuilt as fast as reasonably possible. Having a full first founding chapter would be ridiculous for giving the Trust legitimacy beyond reproach. 30 marines from a first founding chapter? Not so much.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
True.
 
Alex pears said:
Deus Ex Mechanicus right?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Nah, that is still going and only requires me to draw up military deployments once every few months ;)

Though to be fair that's like a Segmentum's worth of gun I have to manage :p

War of the Krork is the one on hiatus.
Alex pears said:
The number limitation was imposed by Gulliman to stop marines from growing out of control and the chapter system implemented to stop another heresy.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Well Legions are for rapidly conquering weak and or isolated polities, Chapters are meant to seek out and hit the shatter points in a conflict. Simply put they are built for different things.

Both are good ways to deploy Marines, both are great methods to use Marines, the only question is how the quest wants to use them.

OTOH a good way to limit the ability for a legion to go full Heresy is to eliminate or heavily limit the marines ability to control the ships assigned to them. Can't burn the Galaxy without a ride :p
 
Azgrin said:
War of the Krork is the one on hiatus.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Ah.

Azgrin said:
Well Legions are for rapidly conquering weak and or isolated polities, Chapters are meant to seek out and hit the shatter points in a conflict. Simply put they are built for different things.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Problem is we're going to be dealing with both now.

Eh we'll think of something.

Azgrin said:
OTOH a good way to limit the ability for a legion to go full Heresy is to eliminate or heavily limit the marines ability to control the ships assigned to them. Can't burn the Galaxy without a ride :p
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I never thought about that :o
 
Alex pears said:
The number limitation was imposed by Gulliman to stop marines from growing out of control and the chapter system implemented to stop another heresy.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

While that was certainly a major part of it, i'd argue that breaking up the Legions was also intended to transform the space marines into a more capable defensive force. Think firefighters capable of putting out a lot of small brushfires instead of crusaders trying to conquer a galaxy.
 
Azgrin said:
OTOH a good way to limit the ability for a legion to go full Heresy is to eliminate or heavily limit the marines ability to control the ships assigned to them. Can't burn the Galaxy without a ride :p
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I think it would be difficult to get enough armsmen on a ship that transports Marines to stop them from taking over if they want to.

You could put them in harmless transporters, but not if you want them to do dangerous boarding actions in space.

In the end no human wants to fight Spacemarines in ships, without artillery and tanks behind you.
 
Alex pears said:
The last Primarch confirmed in the Imperium was Vulkan who killed THE BEAST in M32
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
While he will probably be the one that kills the Beast they're still dealing with the bastard being able to resurrect himself via beautiful WAAAGH bullshit in the novels IIRC.
Alex pears said:
Problem is we're going to be dealing with both now.

Eh we'll think of something.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Like I said, they're both great options to use marines and one can't go that wrong. Though IMO given the ability of troops like the phase Tigers to act as shatter point breakers I feel the trust would better be served by a Legion to help re absorb (and thereby unfuck) various petty Imperiums.

Which is kinda what they were made for in the first place.
Alex pears said:
I never thought about that :o
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yeah, just like the guard/navy split after the big tantrum.

The smurfs will get a stupid amount of ships assigned for they're use (in the event of a legion) with the caveat that every single one is controlled and commanded by Trust naval officers.
Artemis1992 said:
I think it would be difficult to get enough armsmen on a ship that transports Marines to stop them from taking over if they want to.

You could put them in harmless transporters, but not if you want them to do dangerous boarding actions in space.

In the end no human wants to fight Spacemarines in ships, without artillery and tanks behind you.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I would think I could trust the Trust naval officers to scuttle their ships in such a doomsday situation.
 
Yeah you can seriously pimp their ride , one of the dark age super battleships for the flagship and each chapter gets a fracking battleship instead of barge or every company has to have a barge so they can drag our dang loot behind them lol . You can use them in both roles like they were used in the crusade , cause i imagine eventually we will start interacting outside of 9 worlds again and the world out there isnt nice the imperium remnants will be real strange and we are probaly gonna try converting the native populations wow...

Treat them like the elite part of the trust military and maybe consider abit of expansion cause of them on the navy side i guess for heavier ships ? A big imperium problems were the nobels to be honest for example and the fact that the army was mishmash of stuff and not really unified chain of command ...


The midgard 10% population in the army sounds insane and its a freaking hive world and they were looking to expand that , my thought would be to aim the further expansion into the navy (apparently midgard wanted a pretty big navy but wasnt sure what to aim for and what to specilize in - they are the place to get numbers for our trust more or less for the navy beside vanaheim more or less beside ourselves and our plans are kinda getting there on the navy side slowly but surely i guess)
 
Last edited:
Man when these Ultramarines start rebuilding they are going to be so pimped out with awesome gear.

Seriously DAoT armor, weapons, ships, medical tech, vehicles, reverse engineer some of their own stuff better, etc.
 
Massgamer said:
Man when these Ultramarines start rebuilding they are going to be so pimped out with awesome gear.

Seriously DAoT armor, weapons, ships, medical tech, vehicles, reverse engineer some of their own stuff better, etc.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
50% increase its there for a reason.

Heck we can easily afford to equip each of them with a refactor field, they only cost 1 AM.
 
Don't forget the benefits of having Avernus as their recruiting world. It is literally the most beautiful dream of any chapter master.

Also, eventually a Beta will make it through implantation. The Ultramarines are going to have a Librarium that would make the Thousand Sons cry with envy. In a few generations anyways.
 
Azgrin said:
Don't forget the benefits of having Avernus as their recruiting world. It is literally the most beautiful dream of any chapter master.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Here's what @durin said mechanically would happen.

durin said:
pretty much, a basic marine would be a lot better, a veteran a bit better and no real difference for a hero
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The real boost is that we can quickly get more Marines to the level of veterans.

On that note @durin is back.

Upgrades went well?
 
Last edited:
One of the big issues with the recruting proses is the rejection of the implants. Given our advanced medical tech an the fact we just found a spider that has the ability to change its flesh to stop rejection science should be possible. Maybe even getting the gray boys up and running to.
 
Alex pears said:
Again that's not the issue with the Knights.

The Knights's geneseed is more advanced than normal astartes, comes from being direct from the emperor.

Implanting the geneseed should be exactly the same, the issue is making the organs from the geneseed.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
True, but I'd give good odds the Apothecary will be able to help tremendously with it. I mean, come on, they can't be so different it's useless.
 
@durin

1. What happens to the remains of psykers after they get executed?
2. What additional privileges does a Veteran Sanctionite have over a Sanctionite?
3. How substantial is the bonus that our Veteran Beta Sanctionite Afrim Rhee provides to Beta pass rates?
4. Is there a celebration or something for people who are promoted to Veterans?
 
Last edited:
we really should try to do something special to lower failures for higher level psykers.

Um why didnt the gk we got take a few of their glands and farmed them with geneslaves to get their numbers up when the emperor fell? Hell even going for a chapter size for them would be completly insane ..
 
We just don't have enough Major Sanctionites. Hopefully that number will correct after we've constructed the Sanctionite Psyker City.

The only other thing we could do is make Psyker Omakes.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top