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More all forms of combat?
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Doomed Wombat
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I do wonder though if Slaanesh is a god of the arts won't she be attracted to the song weaving especially now that she is severely weakened
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It shouldn't matter much unless Tamia becomes obsessed with perfection.
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They are Martal Artists from Avernus and with some real life martal arts supposedly being based on the wildlife. Apply that to the monsters that live on Avernus. That is some fucking brutal and savage shit. Also durin has said that Avernites are mad as a hatter as a rule of thumb. Combine that together and, to offworlders that may come off as extremely horrifying or ridiculously awesome if not both.
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Alright, I've decided. The next city we found is just going to be Avernite Hong Kong. Kung Fu movies coming out the ears, man. We'll make a fortune! Imagine, the masters of Phase Tiger and Bombardment Cacti Kung Fu fighting one another for honor and glory!
It'll be amazing, guaranteed.
It'll be amazing, guaranteed.
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See something tells me Avernite kung fu looks like something out of fist of the north star or the Breaker. With all of the blood everywhere and how are they still fighting. I think they are gonna be R rated or whatever equivalent the Imperial Trust as. Still a awesome marking idea.
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She'll be interested in it of course, but only so far as some of her followers will try making their own perverted emulation of it. As it is, Songweaving only focuses psychic power for greater control and does not produce sensation unless that's what the psychic power that's being focused does. The Sirens can naturally Songweave and haven't had any problems with it, plus the Eldar practice their own singing psykery called Bonesinging yet they aren't abnormally attracting Slaanesh when using that power.
As a side note, even when a Chaos God has been weakened, it still remains one of the five most powerful beings in the galaxy (in durin's canon at least).
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@durin can we actually do something like this to make money.
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to close to public blood sport which is Khorne bait
Doomed Wombat
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Actually that is a question.
@durin are powers we learn from the wildlife safer to use than normal ones?
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Okay Avernite martal artists are scary.
Doomed Wombat
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No I think its more the fighting for enjoyment rather than fighting for a purpose.
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Many ships in the Imperium had something called a proving grounds where disagreements between crew members could be settled by punching one another. Sometimes they were made official areas where people and visiting worthies of the Imperium could go to and watch for entertainment, much like how we watch boxing and stuff. Now I know Avernus is special and the Emperor is dead etcetera etcetera, but these are ships that regularly travel through the Warp. If public fighting was really Khorne bait the practice would've become heavily outlawed, but the Imperium at large didn't really seem to care.
Why is it that doing a kung fu equivalent is now Khorne bait when it wasn't back then, even when the conditions were more extreme and the combatants were often actually angry?
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Doomed Wombat
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That was back when emps was still around giving protection as you said.
I doubt we still do them on our ships.
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You're thinking of Mork and Gork. Khorne was about fighting for the sake of killing.
But it was still travelling through the Warp. The only way you could get enough Emperor protection to deflect the effects of travelling through the Warp above a tiny amount was to have a Living Saint or relic travelling on the ship with you.
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Doomed Wombat
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In the Warp the emps also has a great deal of power, once on the portopotty he was effectively a warp entity bound to humanity.
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Again, he wasn't powerful enough to provide more than a tiny amount of protection to Warp-travelling humans. The Warp was still the god damn Warp with four Chaos Gods, their daemons, and the Warp itself trying to drive you insane.
Doomed Wombat
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And humanity isn't dead because that protection was enough to prevent people falling as easily.
When they, demons, focused on someone or hey had weak wills, or there was a massive concentration of chaos, people would fall, but people don't randomly fall especially in the warp with Geller fields.
The warp is infinite, and we don't travel through space the chaos gods control.
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The Emperor's mental protection isn't why humanity isn't dead. Humanity isn't dead because the Astronomican lets Navigators see better and the gellar fields keep the worst stuff out, but mental discipline was still a requirement.
That's exactly my point. The blood sports on the ships wasn't enough to make them fall to Khorne, yet apparently it does on Avernus despite the significantly less extreme circumstances that the lack of the Emperor's protection doesn't alone cover for.
True, but the influence of the Chaos Gods is both omnipresent and strong, it's just not nigh-omnipotent like in their personal realms.
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Doomed Wombat
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And that worst stuff is what would corrupt humanity cause most of them never have to use their mental discipline, you don't have to roll will checks when entering the warp or gain a corruption point cause the chaos gods don't instantly try corrupting everyone on board.
And we are a warp touched death world, in the context of the quest we are constantly slightly in the warp.
When the emperor was here this was less of an issue and we could get rid of the cults entirely, but now we can't.
The blood sports looks to be like Killing the Quartok's for the abomination it won't instantly make you fall, but it will push you in that direction and on other worlds I'd wager it would be less of an issue as it wouldn't resonate so much with the warp.
And in a geller field, which is imposed reality, they don't have that influence.
A geller field creates an island in the sea that is the warp Chaos cannot penetrate without turning it off or overloading it, usually though liberal application of infinite demons.
As we can travel the warp and don't lose a ship every time to chaos I'd say the fields work quite well.
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No, that worst stuff refers to the Warp flooding in and everyone getting eaten by daemons. Nightmares and the occasional hallucination still remain since gellar fields aren't perfect. Mental discipline is required in order to not let that (relatively) small stuff get to you.
Again, that's my point.
Yet the level of Warp phenomena is less than what you'd find on a ship. The stuff you'd find on ships with working gellar field generators is generally minor at worst and minimal at best, but it's still there. I haven't read anything to suggest that Avernites have to put up with the same kinds of phenomena, so even though they're always slightly in the Warp, it's still less to being completely submerged in the Warp with an imperfect device to keep it out.
The copious carnal relations between Frederick and Freya didn't drive either of them to Slaanesh, so how would mere blood sports drive people to Khorne? The emotions are less extreme and the acts aren't even driven by the prime emotion.
They do still have influence, it's just rendered minuscule - but still very much there - by the gellar fields.
I'm not arguing this. I'm arguing that despite the gellar fields, the sum situation would've been worse than simply living on Avernus due to gellar field generators not perfectly doing their jobs and that even so, it still would've been a relatively safe experience.
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Doomed Wombat
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And that relatively small stuff only affects people with weak wills who would have fallen anyway.
Instead we have no device at all to keep it out.
Have you read on arenas and blood sports in history, those are massive things with thousands and emotions running extremely high as well as it being part of a concept of a chaos god, which are conceptual beings not just emotional ones, the phrase that springs to mind is "khorne cares not where the blood flows only that it flow."
Emotions of one person add onto each other and resonate in the warp it creates a beacon for warp entities drawn by that, now magnify that to a decent portion of a planet, not two people who genuinely love each other having sex.
No more than it is everywhere in the materium.
And I am glad you see that, the difference is Avernus is a more constant exposure without a geller field unless you are in the university or some other warded area.