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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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mrttao said:
So you want to placate the conservative admech with lies and lip service we have no intention of actually enforcing?
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Pretty much, yeah. That's how politics works.

mrttao said:
Also, What muspelheim ignored is the admech's ban, which they never recognized as having authority over them. You are asking to make it trust law.
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Muspelheim was an official world of the Imperium and thus was subject to their laws regarding technology and the Adeptus Mechanicus regardless of whether they recognised the Mechanicus' authority. Nothing would change.

Besides, isn't it already Trust law? The constitution doesn't mention the Mechanicus no longer gaining exclusivity over technology nor was it debated in later Council meetings. As far as I can tell the old Imperial law is still in effect.
 
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@durin
1. do Avernites have unarmed power armored martal Arts
2. Do Avernite biomancers draw inspiration from the native flora and fauna for their mutations and does this make them more deadlier then usual biomancers.
3. through a cooperative effort between the admech, biologists, and warp artisans can we create a force conduit system that can be surgically integrated with our Psykers bodies to aid in the channeling of warp energies.
4. Are there Avernite martal arts dojos and tournaments for both armed and unarmed martal arts.
4b. If so what are some of the more famous and prominent styles for both armed and unarmed.
5. What do Avernite death cultists do.
6. Do Avernites have a form of Metal and Rock and Roll.
7. Are Avernites more psychotic or sociopathic from all the trauma they suffer on this Hellworld and their culture on average then more normal people.

Note for 7: I am not saying Avernites are bad people or Chaos bait. I am just asking how they may differ from the norm.
 
HanEmpire said:
Avernus must have a very strange day/night cycle. Given the extreme danger of the world there must be a minimum number of active people in a settlement at all times to man the defences. This means that the population must be equally divided into sleep allotments, arranged so that each cycle overlaps with the next.

@durin:
1) Is this the case?
2) If so how are sleep allotments assigned (by family, job, lottery, etc)?
3) Is it common for large groups of Avernites to use the same bed, one group after another?
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1. not totally, there are shifts but night shift is around a third the size of day shift
2. by choice
3. no, outside of military groups that are on patrol

Wheel of time said:
@durin
1. do Avernites have unarmed power armored martal Arts
2. Do Avernite biomancers draw inspiration from the native flora and fauna for their mutations and does this make them more deadlier then usual biomancers.
3. through a cooperative effort between the admech, biologists, and warp artisans can we create a force conduit system that can be surgically integrated with our Psykers bodies to aid in the channeling of warp energies.
4. Are there Avernite martal arts dojos and tournaments for both armed and unarmed martal arts.
4b. If so what are some of the more famous and prominent styles for both armed and unarmed.
5. What do Avernite death cultists do.
6. Do Avernites have a form of Metal and Rock and Roll.
7. Are Avernites more psychotic or sociopathic from all the trauma they suffer on this Hellworld and their culture on average then more normal people.

Note for 7: I am not saying Avernites are bad people or Chaos bait. I am just asking how they may differ from the norm.
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1. yes
2. yes they do and it does, though not by much
3. you could try, it is very high risk for not a lot of reward however and you will lose a lot of psykers trying to perfect the process
4. yes
4b. have not decided
5. there are not many of them left alive due to the fact that they do things like hunt down a Phase-Tiger with a knife
6. yes
7. yes, in fact mental illnesses are a major issue on Avernus due to the stress and loss that is put on eveyone
 
Andres110 said:
Muspelheim was an official world of the Imperium and thus was subject to their laws regarding technology and the Adeptus Mechanicus regardless of whether they recognised the Mechanicus' authority. Nothing would change.
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The imperium was spread very very thin, it was easy to slip through the cracks.
Not so much in a trust of 9 worlds only.
Also, even if we don't intend to enforce it, just passing a law specifically against them will harm our relationship with them
Andres110 said:
Pretty much, yeah. That's how politics works.
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No it isn't. Lip service and lies only "work" in a democracy because the leaders who made said promises were lying to their own constituents rather than what is essentially a foreign power, furthermore, they actually do garner hate and loathing from the people lied to, it just doesn't matter because they are already in office and said leader gets their few years and then leaves, at which point someone completely different gets to make those lies.

When a leader is in office for hundreds of years and negotiation with a foreign power then the dynamic is completely different. Also said foreign powers are not full of uninformed idiots who would fall for such things. it is highly organized and full of highly educated people of significant intellect (being religious fanatics doesn't make them dumb)
 
Reader of all said:
@durin will the expansion of the new forge cities reduce mechanicus unrest?
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They aren't the ones who have issues with us. Its the folks over in Vanaheim/other worlds that are the more conservative. They won't care that Avernus is upgrading the progressives' cities.

Just face it folks. We will not be able to reduce Mechanicus unrest. The only way for this to work is to let Time erode the conservatives power base.
 
durin said:
1. not totally, there are shifts but night shift is around a third the size of day shift
2. by choice
3. no, outside of military groups that are on patrol


1. yes
2. yes they do and it does, though not by much
3. you could try, it is very high risk for not a lot of reward however and you will lose a lot of psykers trying to perfect the process
4. yes
4b. have not decided
5. there are not many of them left alive due to the fact that they do things like hunt down a Phase-Tiger with a knife
6. yes
7. yes, in fact mental illnesses are a major issue on Avernus due to the stress and loss that is put on eveyone
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For 3 every bit helps and we would have every safety precautions possible along with only using volunteers and if the price of Getting that extra edge for our Psykers is that some might die then I am willing to make that sacrifice. Though the experiments should remain humane as possible without ruining the experiment. Though I think if you give us this option it should be when our Psyker population has increased more by a substantial amount.
 
Wheel of time said:
For 3 every bit helps and we would have every safety precautions possible along with only using volunteers and if the price of Getting that extra edge for our Psykers is that some might die then I am willing to make that sacrifice. Though the experiments should remain humane as possible without ruining the experiment. Though I think if you give us this option it should be when our Psyker population has increased more by a substantial amount.
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if you think that the morale (and moral) issues from live human experimentation, usually lethal are worth determining if a totally new way of boosting a psykers powers works then I may offer the option
 
durin said:
if you think that the morale (and moral) issues from live human experimentation, usually lethal are worth determining if a totally new way of boosting a psykers powers works then I may offer the option
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I am not saying this is a good thing and if we did it would only be after convincing ridcully and Xavier along with the rest of the unseen university staff okayed it if they say no never mind. But in the age of dusk we need every advantage possible. That and if we proceed to make a super soldier program you can bet it will involve human experimentation. The warp storm will soon go away then we will have to deal with the train wreak that is the rest of the galaxy.
 
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durin said:
if you think that the morale (and moral) issues from live human experimentation, usually lethal are worth determining if a totally new way of boosting a psykers powers works then I may offer the option
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Wouldn't stuff like the Psychic Hood have required live human experimentation? Can we practice on Avernite wildlife, Trolls, Sirens, and Eldar first?
 
Wheel of time said:
I am not saying this is a good thing and if we did it would only be after convincing ridcully and Xavier along with the rest of the unseen university okayed it if they say no never mind. But in the the age of dusk we need every advantage possible. That and if we proceed to make a super soldier program you can bet it will involve human experimentation
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What do you actually want to achieve?

More power? We have already more and stronger psykers than we know how to handle in a war. Let it rest for some decades and one or to wars until we figured out the optimal uses of psykers.

More Control? Our trained psykers are stable enough and trying to experiment with untrained ones is just begging for daemon-headsplosion.
 
Artemis1992 said:
What do you actually want to achieve?

More power? We have already more and stronger psykers than we know how to handle in a war. Let it rest for some decades and one or to wars until we figured out the optimal uses of psykers.

More Control? Our trained psykers are stable enough and trying to experiment with untrained ones is just begging for daemon-headsplosion.
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Durin said it would provide a benefit of some sort and who said we would be experimenting on untrained Psykers. It would be done on trained volunteers and again if the unseen university says no then I won't advocate it. As for the benefit itself we won't know what it is if we don't try. Finally my opinion on Power in 40k is you can never have enough just to be safe. That being said I do not support the gaining of such power by violating your morals or ethics.
 
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Coming near you soon. Psyker death metal band. I will omake this tommorow with free wifi.
 
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Wheel of time said:
Durin said it would provide a benefit of some sort and who said we would be experimenting on untrained Psykers. It would be done on trained volunteers and again if the unseen university says no then I won't advocate it. As for the benefit itself we won't know what it is if we don't try. Finally my opinion on Power in 40k is you can never have enough just to be safe. That being said I do not support the gaining of such power by violating your morals or ethics.
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I said it may provide a benefit of some sort
 
3man75 said:
Coming near you soon. Psyker death metal band. I will omake this tommorow with free wifi.
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I always thought that for the first song made through song weaving would have a more orchestral feel to it but I guess you cannot go wrong with metal may I recommend dragon force-through the fire and flames

@durin if songweaving is succesful would we be able to create psyker songs like say a rendition of more famous songs from the 1800s or so?
 
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Wheel of time said:
Durin said it would provide a benefit of some sort and who said we would be experimenting on untrained Psykers. It would be done on trained volunteers and again if the unseen university says no then I won't advocate it. As for the benefit itself we won't know what it is if we don't try. Finally my opinion on Power in 40k is you can never have enough just to be safe. That being said I do not support the gaining of such power by violating your morals or ethics.
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Converting to Chaos provides a benefit of some sort. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.

While a potential gain in power for psykers may or may not be a good thing, you have to judge whether they will be able to effectively apply that power and weigh any gains against the certain losses in both existing Psykers and the opportunity cost of killing off so many that could be doing more useful things than dying under the knife.
 
You know if we ever do get around to making that branch university at the spine we should totally see if making warp musical instruments is possible you know like the guitars from brutal legend or Demyx's sitar all that kind of stuff
 
Akritedes said:
Converting to Chaos provides a benefit of some sort. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.

While a potential gain in power for psykers may or may not be a good thing, you have to judge whether they will be able to effectively apply that power and weigh any gains against the certain losses in both existing Psykers and the opportunity cost of killing off so many that could be doing more useful things than dying under the knife.
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I did just post that I said forget it never mind. I mean if people that actually make the vote plans think this is worth it and they make a plan with it then that is their decision and they well do it from a far more informed and wise standpoint then me.
 
Reader of all said:
I always thought that for the first song made through song weaving would have a more orchestral feel to it but I guess you cannot go wrong with metal may I recommend dragon force-through the fire and flames

@durin if songweaving is succesful would we be able to create psyker songs like say a rendition of more famous songs from the 1800s or so?
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Yeah dragon force through the fire and flames is a perfect song for Avernus @3man75
 
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