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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 593 80.4%

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    Votes: 145 19.6%
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@durin
1. Can we get an option to construct only escorts next year since that should only take 3 turns for us to produce 24, 12 for us and 12 for the trust?
2. Also is there anything we need to do on our end to unlock the option to expand the collegia to include arcotech?
3. I was going back over the bonuses and noticed for completing STC they are all low by 10%, we have +107 there when Tranth is doing it (+50 Greater Temple, +10 Collegia, +15 Better Analysis Cog, +15 Extrapolation Cog, +17 Tranth) but the STC show as a +97 total bonus
4. Is there anyway get Extrapolation Cog to apply to arcotech as well, if I read it right we have a +65 bonus there before Tranth and +82 with him.
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5. Do Rune priest bonus apply to arcotech, on turn 57 we had +25 in other bonuses, +50 from the building and +17 from Tranth which would be +92 and would mean the arcotech options are also showing too low by 10%
6. Also the examine for the well seem to be off in our favor, when we did the internal data net we had +67 to the roll, not the +90 it seems to be indicating
 
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@durin:
1) Can we use divination to find which dig sites on Amaltheia and Deiphobe contain something useful? At least in broad sense, like "this one have low-grade archeotech, that one have very useful STCs and one that-a-way have army of dormant murderbots"?

2) Can we do something to expedite "Detailed Survey" action? Like training more Void infantry, cross-training our engineers, re-assigning tech-priests from other tasks, getting few dozens Knight-Engineer maniples, finishing repair bot STC?

3) Alternatively, can we automate graveyard exploration, like we did with STC restoration?
 
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Vote Tally : Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) | Page 1247 | Sufficient Velocity
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[X] Expand Shipyards
-[X] Expedite: Expand Shipyards
[X] Power Armoured Exchange: Part One
[X] Contact Trolls
[X] Tutor Syr (Intrigue)
[X] Detailed Survey (Escort Destroyer)
[X] Detailed Survey (Hunter Frigate)
[X] In-depth Examination (Kraken)
[X] Research: Psychic Frequencies Part One
-[X] Double Down: Research: Psychic Frequencies Part One
[X] Tutor Syr (Administration)
No. of Votes: 7
Enjou
Darkcrest
Karugus
Nervos Belli
Ruirk
Valerian
Void Stalker

[X] Expand Shipyards
-[X] Expedite: Expand Shipyards
[X] Power Armoured Exchange: Part One
[X] Contact Trolls
[X] Tutor Syr (Intrigue)
[X] Ship Graveyard: Ordinance
[X] Detailed Survey (Hunter Frigate)
[X] In-depth Examination (Kraken)
[X] Research: Psychic Frequencies Part One
-[X] Double Down: Research: Psychic Frequencies Part One
[X] Tutor Syr (Administration)
No. of Votes: 3
Elder Haman
3man75
Doomsough

[X] Expand Shipyards
-[X] Expedite: Expand Shipyards
[X] Power Armoured Exchange: Part One
[X] Contact Trolls
[X] Tutor Syr (Intrigue)
[X] Detailed Survey (Escort Destroyer)
[X] Detailed Survey (Hunter Destroyer)
[X] In-depth Examination (Kraken)
[X] Research: Psychic Frequencies Part One
-[X] Double Down: Research: Psychic Frequencies Part One
[X] Tutor Syr (Administration)
No. of Votes: 2
Jexx
DragonParadox

[X] Expand Shipyards
-[X] Expedite: Expand Shipyards
[X] Power Armoured Exchange: Part One
[X] Contact Trolls
[X] Tutor Syr (Intrigue)
[X] Detailed Survey (Escort Destroyer)
[X] Detailed Survey (Escort Frigate)
[X] In-depth Examination (Kraken)
[X] Research: Psychic Frequencies Part One
-[X] Double Down: Research: Psychic Frequencies Part One
[X] Tutor Syr (Administration)
No. of Votes: 1
Derek58

[X] Expand Shipyards
-[X] Expedite: Expand Shipyards
[X] Power Armoured Exchange: Part One
[X] Contact Trolls
[X] Tutor Syr (Intrigue)
[X]Examine: Starship Construction Technologies
-[X]Double Down: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies
[X]Detailed Survey (Light Cruiser)
[X] In-depth Examination (Kraken)
[X] Research: Psychic Frequencies Part One
[X] Tutor Syr (Administration)
No. of Votes: 1
Superticus

Total No. of Voters: 14

@3man75 and @Doomsough - can you please correct the spelling of your votes to be "Elder Haman" so they get counted correctly? I can merge them easily at the plan level with the tally program, but if I need to do a tally by line it won't work.
 
Have we put any thought into what we're gonna do after Syr becomes an adult? Are we going to have multiple children or are we sticking to the single heir thing? If we do go with having multiple children are we planning on trying to specialize each? I mean so far Syr is basically everything we could ask for out of a military commander so maybe we should try and make the next one a diplomat, or maybe try and push them toward the Mechanicus?
 
So, a thought I had on getting the AdMech to recognize other authorities on technology - the best strategy would probably be to use the AdMech itself as an example of why they should.

In the First Age of Strife, Mars was still around, so even though the other Forge Worlds were separated they were still technically part of Mars's empire as they owed fealty to Mars. But this is the Second Age of Strife. Mars has been ravaged by daemons and is no more. The Adeptus Mechanicus is no longer whole, but rather it has fractured into a large number of independent organizations which will no doubt evolve different views as time goes on.

For instance Atlas may still be friendly to us when we re-establish contact, but they won't likely recognize Fabricator-General Britton as having any authority over them. They may have instituted reforms if they recognize the Abomination as a problem as well, but those reforms will likely differ from those that the AdMech of the Imperial Trust have undergone. Despite these differences, so long as they haven't fallen to Chaos or to the C'tan/Necrons, it might still be said they are blessed by the Omnissiah and are a legitimate authority on technology. As such, trading secrets (as they will have access to technology that they weren't allowed to trade with us as the time) is likely acceptable, provided it is well considered.

Other examples of foreign technological authorities aside from Forge Worlds would be the demi-Titan legion on Danaan and any other tech-priests there, the AdMech in Sub-Sector Annwn, Explorator Fleets that have perhaps become nomadic, Space Marine Chapters (which have AdMech trained Tech Marines), and possibly others. In some cases we might find human worlds where the local AdMech has become more integrated into the local organizations, even. And there's also any areas that the Emperor sent a warning to aside from the Nine Worlds.

So, if foreign technological authorities can be recognized and possibly traded with, it's only sensible that any technological organizations within the Imperial Trust itself also be considered for some kind of legitimate status. Using a bit of critical thinking, it can be determined if they are "blessed by the Omnissiah". For instance, the Artisan's Guild has had a long standing positive relationship with the Adeptus Mechanicus, even before the Emperor's death, and their technological prowess is well known. In the case of Muspelheim, the Thanes have obviously managed to keep the Ancient Machine Spirits of the Nomad cities - which are great technological marvels - maintained and happy for twenty thousand years without the AdMech. Neither group have shown themselves to have been susceptible to Chaos, so while their methods differ they could be recognized as legitimate authorities to be traded with. They are also far less outsiders than foreign AdMech are now, due to being part of the same polity.

A recognition of some kind of honorary status would allow for trade of secrets while maintaining their right to independence. The AdMech wouldn't even necessarily have to give up their perceived primacy, as they'd be the ones declaring who is an isn't legitimate. They can, if they want, claim that they are the Omnissiah's most favored organization by virtue of all that has been found in the Helheim system, yet still recognize that others still have favor.

Thoughts?
 
Void Stalker said:
2. Also is there anything we need to do on our end to unlock the option to expand the collegia to include arcotech?
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Something to consider is that this is quite risky. Reverse engineering arcotech means using up a certain amount of the existing samples.

For low chances that means the Collegia could repeatedly fail, and use up all the working samples.

drewski346 said:
Have we put any thought into what we're gonna do after Syr becomes an adult? Are we going to have multiple children or are we sticking to the single heir thing? If we do go with having multiple children are we planning on trying to specialize each? I mean so far Syr is basically everything we could ask for out of a military commander so maybe we should try and make the next one a diplomat, or maybe try and push them toward the Mechanicus?
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I think we should have multiple children. I think that each child should be trained according to their abilities. If we get another military genius, that's fine. Not like Avernus can ever have a shortage.

If we get a diplomat, great. Or a potential spymaster? Great. Or an administrator? Even better.
 
Ok @durin, I feel bad for asking this, but in this quote
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Also I rolled a d100 to see if there was an intact STC contructer on Avernus at the start with 1 or 2 meaning there was and rolled a 3, which is why you got this
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ON Avernus you said. Does this mean we have a chance for a broken/intact one anywhere else in the system?

please be yes there is, please be yes there is :D
 
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Alex pears said:
Ok @durin, I feel bad for asking this, but in this quote

ON Avernus you said. Does this mean we have a chance for a broken/intact one anywhere else in the system?
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The historical data we got from Muspelheim indicated all of them in the system were destroyed by the Men of Iron. Presumably that means there is zero chance of there being an intact one. At best one of the two ruins on the moon will have another broken database.
 
Enjou said:
The historical data we got from Muspelheim indicated all of them in the system were destroyed by the Men of Iron. Presumably that means there is zero chance of there being an intact one. At best one of the two ruins on the moon will have another broken database.
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I can dream and they might not have got all of them :D, or one may be intact enough to reverse engineer is constructing abilities :D
 
Enjou said:
So, a thought I had on getting the AdMech to recognize other authorities on technology - the best strategy would probably be to use the AdMech itself as an example of why they should.

In the First Age of Strife, Mars was still around, so even though the other Forge Worlds were separated they were still technically part of Mars's empire as they owed fealty to Mars. But this is the Second Age of Strife. Mars has been ravaged by daemons and is no more. The Adeptus Mechanicus is no longer whole, but rather it has fractured into a large number of independent organizations which will no doubt evolve different views as time goes on.

For instance Atlas may still be friendly to us when we re-establish contact, but they won't likely recognize Fabricator-General Britton as having any authority over them. They may have instituted reforms if they recognize the Abomination as a problem as well, but those reforms will likely differ from those that the AdMech of the Imperial Trust have undergone. Despite these differences, so long as they haven't fallen to Chaos or to the C'tan/Necrons, it might still be said they are blessed by the Omnissiah and are a legitimate authority on technology. As such, trading secrets (as they will have access to technology that they weren't allowed to trade with us as the time) is likely acceptable, provided it is well considered.

Other examples of foreign technological authorities aside from Forge Worlds would be the demi-Titan legion on Danaan and any other tech-priests there, the AdMech in Sub-Sector Annwn, Explorator Fleets that have perhaps become nomadic, Space Marine Chapters (which have AdMech trained Tech Marines), and possibly others. In some cases we might find human worlds where the local AdMech has become more integrated into the local organizations, even. And there's also any areas that the Emperor sent a warning to aside from the Nine Worlds.

So, if foreign technological authorities can be recognized and possibly traded with, it's only sensible that any technological organizations within the Imperial Trust itself also be considered for some kind of legitimate status. Using a bit of critical thinking, it can be determined if they are "blessed by the Omnissiah". For instance, the Artisan's Guild has had a long standing positive relationship with the Adeptus Mechanicus, even before the Emperor's death, and their technological prowess is well known. In the case of Muspelheim, the Thanes have obviously managed to keep the Ancient Machine Spirits of the Nomad cities - which are great technological marvels - maintained and happy for twenty thousand years without the AdMech. Neither group have shown themselves to have been susceptible to Chaos, so while their methods differ they could be recognized as legitimate authorities to be traded with. They are also far less outsiders than foreign AdMech are now, due to being part of the same polity.

A recognition of some kind of honorary status would allow for trade of secrets while maintaining their right to independence. The AdMech wouldn't even necessarily have to give up their perceived primacy, as they'd be the ones declaring who is an isn't legitimate. They can, if they want, claim that they are the Omnissiah's most favored organization by virtue of all that has been found in the Helheim system, yet still recognize that others still have favor.

Thoughts?
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The reaction more comfortable to the Mechanicus on both sides of that equation would be to demand that the other faction follow their creed and leadership or be declared hereteks to be conquered if possible and shunned if it is not.
 
:evil: had a little think... even if the human constructors are gone which I really hope they are not, there is one set that are probably still relatively intact.
 
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So what? That's not the intent of what we're trying to do. We're trying to reform them, remember?
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Well yes but if we push too hard (like implicitly demanding that they accept other mechanicus factions as equals and using that to build another argument to allow even non-mechanicus factions access to their sacred duty) it could backfire badly.

Alex pears said:
Also Dragon's plan seems rather too OBEY to me. We don't want to go abomination after all :D
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That is not my plan see above. I was just pointing out that the argument was flawed because the premise has not been accepted by the mechanicusat this time.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Well yes but if we push too hard (like implicitly demanding that they accept other mechanicus factions as equals and using that to build another argument to allow even non-mechanicus factions access to their sacred duty) it could backfire badly.
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We ain't were try to slowly reform it, not go RARA change now.

Slow but steady.
 
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Well yes but if we push too hard (like implicitly demanding that they accept other mechanicus factions as equals and using that to build another argument to allow even non-mechanicus factions access to their sacred duty) it could backfire badly.
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What are you talking about? This is for the Whispers of Change action - just us making suggestions to Britton.
 
Enjou said:
What are you talking about? This is for the Whispers of Change action - just us making suggestions to Britton.
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The way you worded it assumes equality between mechanicus factions to be an established fact making the argument fatally flawed at this time. Britton can't make it anymore than we can. First he would have to convince people to work with the other mechanicus factions (and that assumes they are agreeable) then he could make the argument about non-mechanicus organizations. You are putting the cart before the horse.
 
DragonParadox said:
The way you worded it assumes equality between mechanicus factions to be an established fact making the argument fatally flawed at this time. Britton can't make it anymore than we can. First he would have to convince people to work with the other mechanicus factions (and that assumes they are agreeable) then he could make the argument about non-mechanicus organizations. You are putting the cart before the horse.
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so your plan is to forget the cart and hit the horse?
 
Alex pears said:
so your plan is to forget the cart and hit the horse?
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No my plan is to wait until we establish relations with other freindly tech priests (if we are that lucky) before broaching the subjects that they may not be hereteks. A few decades after that working relation is established (thank the Emmperor for longer turns in the future) we could try something like Enjou's argument.
 
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No my plan is to wait until we establish relations with other freindly tech priests (if we are that lucky) before broaching the subjects that they may not be hereteks. A few decades after that working relation is established (thank the Emmperor for longer turns in the future) we could try something like Enjou's argument.
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We do, the most successful arch magos explorator in history and the head of the biologis, both archmagi, both incredibly influential,
 
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