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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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durin said:
you are currently at +2596.86% and would be at around +1800 without Atlas
you also gained the ability to build several military assets from that trade
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Ok, that does seem pretty significant.

Enjou said:
@durin - I just noticed this, but the Massed Deathstrikes option doesn't seem to include building more Life Eater Fungus ones. Is this intentional or just an oversight? I seem to recall asking before about whether the action would be expanded to include them once the research to make them was completed, and you said it would be.
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Is it even legal for us to have the LEF Deathstrikes? They're Exterminatus-grade weaponry when used outside Avernus. The Inquisition might not have the authority to call Exterminatus themselves but actually conducting it is presumably their job and their job alone.
 
Andres110 said:
Ok, that does seem pretty significant.


Is it even legal for us to have the LEF Deathstrikes? They're Exterminatus-grade weaponry when used outside Avernus. The Inquisition might not have the authority to call Exterminatus themselves but actually conducting it is presumably their job and their job alone.
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We already have a battery of Life Eater Fungus, and no one has complained.
 
Andres110 said:
Is it even legal for us to have the LEF Deathstrikes? They're Exterminatus-grade weaponry when used outside Avernus. The Inquisition might not have the authority to call Exterminatus themselves but actually conducting it is presumably their job and their job alone.
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Life Eater Fungus has a much more limited area of effect compared to the Life Eater Virus - it only affects the areas in which the spores land. The main issue with using it outside of Avernus is that Life Eater Fungus may take root in the native ecosystem, but that still wouldn't result in total ecosystem collapse as LEF explodes on a predictable cycle.
 
Nervos Belli said:
We already have a battery of Life Eater Fungus, and no one has complained.
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Did we even tell anyone about that battery?

Enjou said:
Life Eater Fungus has a much more limited area of effect compared to the Life Eater Virus - it only affects the areas in which the spores land. The main issue with using it outside of Avernus is that Life Eater Fungus may take root in the native ecosystem, but that still wouldn't result in total ecosystem collapse as LEF explodes on a predictable cycle.
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durin said:
He tells you that a single Life-Eater warhead can dissolve everything within a kilometre of the impact site and explode with enough force to kill humans in a radius from eleven hundred meters to three kilometres depending on the density of biological material in the impact zone. The main issue with these weapons is that they will definitely introduce the Life-Eater Fungus to the biosphere of the area targeted which could have massive effects if used anywhere but on Avernus. Due to this Fabricator-General Britton advises you to be very careful where you use these missiles.
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Pretty much everything you said is wrong. The instant-kill radius is certainly limited, but there is no "maybe" about it being introduced to the biosphere and it says nothing about not causing a total ecosystem collapse due to being on a predictable cycle. If anything, it'll only let us predict how long it'll take before it consumes all life on the planet.
 
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Andres110 said:
Pretty much everything you said is wrong. The instant-kill radius is certainly limited, but there is no "maybe" about it being introduced to the biosphere and it says nothing about not causing a total ecosystem collapse due to being on a predictable cycle. If anything, it'll only let us predict how long it'll take before it consumes all life on the planet.
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The only thing I said that was wrong is on the maybe vs definitely. What you quoted says that it COULD have massive effects if used somewhere other than Avernus, not that it WILL, as it's uncertain how well LEF will adapt to a foreign environment - it might not grow well outside of a swamp, after all. It also doesn't mention that it is considered to be an Exterminatus level threat to the local biosphere, and I'd think that our Biologis would have mentioned that possibility if he thought it credible. IMO, the predictable lifecycle of the LEF indicates to me that it isn't likely that it would ever consume all life on the planet (and cities can be made LEF proof as well), and could also allow for a chance to exterminate it on worlds that aren't Deathworlds.

But the easiest way to resolve this rather than arguing back and forth is to just ask @durin what the Biologis's actual opinion is. So let's just wait until he weighs in before we continue.
 
Yeah, this isn't really something that should be argued about. Waiting for durin's opinion seems the way to go.
 
Enjou said:
The only thing I said that was wrong is on the maybe vs definitely. What you quoted says that it COULD have massive effects if used somewhere other than Avernus, not that it WILL, as it's uncertain how well LEF will adapt to a foreign environment - it might not grow well outside of a swamp, after all. It also doesn't mention that it is considered to be an Exterminatus level threat to the local biosphere, and I'd think that our Biologis would have mentioned that possibility if he thought it credible. IMO, the predictable lifecycle of the LEF indicates to me that it isn't likely that it would ever consume all life on the planet (and cities can be made LEF proof as well), and could also allow for a chance to exterminate it on worlds that aren't Deathworlds.

But the easiest way to resolve this rather than arguing back and forth is to just ask @durin what the Biologis's actual opinion is. So let's just wait until he weighs in before we continue.
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As far as Saren can tell the Life Eater will eventually consume the continent that it is used on but that this would take hundreds of years and it would be possible to wipe it out before that
 
durin said:
As far as Saren can tell the Life Eater will eventually consume the continent that it is used on but that this would take hundreds of years and it would be possible to wipe it out before that
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Wait what? Centuries? The description in Regional Information>Flora and Fauna of Everglades says it only takes an hour for it to spread 20-30km.
 
Andres110 said:
Wait what? Centuries? The description in Regional Information>Flora and Fauna of Everglades says it only takes an hour for it to spread 20-30km.
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Yes, but then it enters a dormant phase until triggered again, which can take years. Think of tree rings. Some years there's basically no growth and the lines are on top of each other, while some times it grows massively and creates a single huge ring.
 
I also figure the LEF has to still adapt to it's new environments. I understand that it is bullshit and likely something that was genetically engineered (either by Old Ones or DAoT humanity) but there likely are still natural hurdles and obstacles for it to overcome as it begins it destructive path on the ecosystem.
 
Ruirk said:
I understand that it is bullshit and likely something that was genetically engineered (either by Old Ones or DAoT humanity) but there likely are still natural hurdles and obstacles for it to overcome as it begins it destructive path on the ecosystem.
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I've been thinking, it might be that a previous investigation/colonization attempt of Avernus resulted in people going "Nope!" and then trying to virus-bomb it out of existence. Only . . . it's Avernus, so it absorbed the life-eater virus instead and integrated it into the ecosystem. At which point the people just Nope'd on out of the system.
 
tq343 said:
I've been thinking, it might be that a previous investigation/colonization attempt of Avernus resulted in people going "Nope!" and then trying to virus-bomb it out of existence. Only . . . it's Avernus, so it absorbed the life-eater virus instead and integrated it into the ecosystem. At which point the people just Nope'd on out of the system.
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Not likely. The previous colonists were largely there for scientific purposes, and wanted to study the lifeforms on the planet. However, it's quite possible that they engineered the Life Eater Virus using Life Eater Fungus as an example...
 
Enjou said:
Not likely. The previous colonists were largely there for scientific purposes, and wanted to study the lifeforms on the planet. However, it's quite possible that they engineered the Life Eater Virus using Life Eater Fungus as an example...
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Tis a mystery...honestly not sure I want to find out regardless. One of those "somethings are better off not knowing" which since this is 40k, that is a real thing to take into consideration.

The LEV (or I suppose in this case the LEF), while likely useful in the battles to come, should not have ever existed in the first place.
 
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Nervos Belli said:
Yes, but then it enters a dormant phase until triggered again, which can take years. Think of tree rings. Some years there's basically no growth and the lines are on top of each other, while some times it grows massively and creates a single huge ring.
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Ah, thanks for reminding me about that. Took me a while to find the source (Adeptus Mechanicus>Biologis>Research Complete) but it does say that it goes dormant.

tq343 said:
I've been thinking, it might be that a previous investigation/colonization attempt of Avernus resulted in people going "Nope!" and then trying to virus-bomb it out of existence. Only . . . it's Avernus, so it absorbed the life-eater virus instead and integrated it into the ecosystem. At which point the people just Nope'd on out of the system.
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Actually, the Dark Age humans who settled Avernus were slowly killed off by the wildlife. The reason this happened was because the Men of Iron sent strike teams and destroyed all of their STC Constructors. Check out Regional Descriptions>Helheim History- From Muspelheim if you want to read more.

durin said:
The first of these is the twin Flamer STC which is the design for method to create the Orthus patten flamer, an intriguing design that manages to use the interplay between the two streams from the flamer to double the effect of the flamer without using any more promethium. This will be immediately rolled out among your military and will provide a major boost to them in certain situations.
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@durin, does this mean there's no point in creating flamer regiments?
 
Yes, we do have Combat Engineers as of Turn 51. "50 Helltrooper Combat Engineer Regiments and 200 PDF Transport Regiments for Avernus and 10 Helltrooper Combat Engineer Regiments and 50 PDF Transport Regiments for the Imperial."

However we might have lost a fair amount during the recent war.

EDIT: Yes we did, 21/50 Combat Engineer Regiments died.
 
@durin, I have some questions.
1. Does the Mechanicus still venerate the Emperor as the Omnissiah or did the Imperial Truth do away with that? If the latter, what do they believe in now?
2. Does the damaged STC Constructor have its own fancy/High Gothic name like how 'Omnicopaeia' would refer to an undamaged STC Constructor?
3. Could you please link the Imperial Trust's Constitution somewhere in Information Sheets? It would make finding it a lot easier.
 
I think the closest translation for what the damaged STC Constructor is called by the local Mechanicus is "Mine!"
 
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