2. So you're criticizing the Eldar for being arrogant and thinking they're better than everyone else while saying that humanity should think it's better than anyone else... ok. Oh, and those bastards intend to go conquer the galaxy and keep the other races down... humanity would never do that, right? Oh wait, that's exactly what the Emperor tried to do.
Humans are not genetically predisposed to arrogance, or at least nowhere near to the level of the Eldar. In all of 40k, the only humble Eldar was known as Uthar
the Perverse. Humanity (or at least the Emperor) wants to conquer the galaxy so that all the people of the galaxy can be at peace. The Eldar just wants to put humans and other races into glorified zoos.
3. Last time I checked, humanity has been worshiping gods for most of its existence, and one of the Emperor's problems was that he apparently underestimated just how much most of humanity apparently needed something bigger to believe in, and it bit him in the ass big time. The Emperor himself was worshiped as a god for the last thirteen thousand years, and is continuing to be worshiped by us even now - again, if you haven't been paying attention, he is literally ascending to godhood. It doesn't matter what kind of future potential humanity might have regarding needing gods, right now they do, and they pretty much either go for the Emperor or one of the five Chaos Gods, with little inbetween.
Believing in gods isn't the same as having the help of gods. "The power was inside you all along" is what can be best used to describe the great things humans have done in the name of gods while seemingly under divine empowerment. Humanity's need to believe in something greater than themselves is exaggerated. The humans of the Dark Age of Technology were great and powerful despite not believing in much of anything at all, other than themselves. Even during the Age of the Imperium, many humans managed to accomplish great things through self-determination and a belief in oneself. The human "need" to believe in something greater than themselves isn't omnipresent. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it isn't.
As for the Emperor's "ascension", it is anything but. He is not "ascending" to the level of a god - he is descending. He was once above the level of individual Chaos Gods and despite that had no issues existing completely in the Materium. Warp gods, on the other hand, can't manifest except in extremely weak incarnations (relative to their strength) such as daemons and Avatars. He had the power of gods without their limitations, which is why I consider his transformation into a god to be something worthy of mourning.
Potential to be greater isn't the same thing as being greater. You should avoid confusing the two.
A ten year old chimpanzee is smarter and stronger than a newborn baby. Despite this, I still consider the baby to be a higher lifeform. Potential to be greater might not be the same as actually being greater, but it makes up a very big part of it, at least in my opinion.
The Eldar fought in a massive, galaxy spanning war against the Necron threat that could have wiped out all life in the galaxy. They survived that. They survived the fall of the Old Ones, the birth of daemons, Enslavers, and all the other nasties in the Warp that came about due to the War in Heaven. They seized control of the galaxy and maintained their dominance over all the other races for millions of years.
And you're treating it like that's trivial.
The Eldar had practically maxed out their technology and evolution and had complete control of the galaxy by the time the Necrons rose. That they were still somehow in danger of going extinct only highlights their inferiority.
And yeah, they created gods. So what? They MADE FREAKING GODS. That's an amazing achievement.
Give humanity enough time and they can make their own gods, but that's not important. What's important is that the Eldar had them and they still kept f*cking up. Figuratively
and literally. If you have and can create
gods and you're
still facing extinction events, that's a pretty clear sign that there's something wrong with you.
And yet they fell ludicrously fast, and their technology was still inferior to that of the Eldar.
They fell and had lesser tech because they didn't have the same head start(s) that the Eldar had.
And most of their technology was designed by Artificial Intelligences in the form of STC systems, not humans themselves.
Source? I knew they made AI but I haven't read anywhere that it was the AIs that made the STCs. You'd think the Mechanicus would chuck a fit if that were the case.
1. The DAoT civilization did not fall due to xenos attacking. No, they simply descended on the dying confederation. The Men of Iron rebellion was a much larger factor, and was really the first, since it resulted in pretty much all the STC systems being destroyed.
It was not a "dying confederation". The Men of Iron was indeed an absolutely massive disaste - possibly apocalypse level - but it alone wasn't enough to really make humanity "fall". It was the xenos that really hit the nail in the coffin for creating the "fall" of Dark Age humanity, though the later warp storms would've done the same thing as well.
2. You are forgetting that the three older Chaos Gods awoke in no small part due to humanity's presence.
I'd say it was a small part at most, if at all. I'm not sure whether you're referring to their births or their frenzy, but I'm right in both cases. It took trillions/quadrillions/quintillions/whatever of psychically-active Eldar to create Slaanesh. There is no way that less than a billion psychically-neutral humans could create a whole three Chaos Gods, especially with the Emperor there to put a stopper or something on that nonsense.
Khorne's most powerful Daemon Prince is suspected to be Genghis Khan, for crying out loud.
I'm gonna have to ask for a source on that. Genghis Khan killed a lot of people but I'd hardly think of him as Daemon Prince material. If he really were that big of a threat, the Emperor would've foreseen it and terminated him.
You can't blame everything on the Eldar.
Yes I can. Everything wrong with the galaxy is the fault of those damned space elves. Just ask the squats! /joke
Hell, most of Chaos's forces aside from daemons are humans.
That's because humans are extremely populous, Chaos became active at the time humans humans became extremely populous, and humans are at that point where they're psychic enough to attract Chaos but not psychic enough to resist them.
Something you need to understand since you're getting a good deal of your rhetoric here from it - "If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device" is a comedy series. It is not a serious analysis of WH40k Lore.
It might be a comedy series but it does a damn good job of representing and explaining the WH40k lore and setting. There's no reason to dismiss it just because of its genre.
Just because there was a funny short with Decius proclaiming that mankind are greater than gods doesn't make it objectively the truth.
True, but it doesn't mean that mankind being greater than gods isn't the objective truth already. TTS just condense and expressed what information existed in the same competent and comedic manner it always does.,
Ynnead greatly weakened Slaanesh and has kicked the Dark Eldar out of the Webway. The Emperor never managed that.
Ynnead failed to do more than wound Slaanesh despite Slaanesh rolling two 1's in a row (her being in the centre of her power only gave her that saving roll) while she was distracted by a direct assault from the Abomination. The Emperor never managed to kick the DE out because it simply wasn't worth the time and effort. Reclaiming humanity's lost worlds and connecting mankind to the webway were both more important tasks. As for why he didn't kill/wound Slaanesh, it's for the same reason why the Abomination didn't despite her already being wounded - the Chaos Gods would've ganged up on him and beat his ass. As powerful as the Emperor is, he can't take all four Chaos Gods at once.
And yes, the creation of the Emperor is a big deal, but he was still a deeply flawed individual whose conceit cost him, his sons, and humanity and the galaxy as a whole dearly. Chaos ended up having a bigger presence in the galaxy than ever, and it even resulted in a new Chaos God.
He wasn't perfect, but so what? He was still the greatest thing the galaxy had ever seen, his virtues far outweighing his flaws. In that way, he really was the embodiment of mankind: not perfect, but still really freaking great. Chaos had a bigger presence in the galaxy, but that would've happened regardless. The Emperor was the only real threat to the machinations of the Chaos Gods, hence the epithet 'Anathema'. The Emperor's actions may have (maybe) sped up the process of their victory, but he was the only one capable of preventing it at all. Worship of him may have resulted in a new Chaos God, but at least it's one that's directly opposed to the Four - a far better outcome than if they were to simply have free reign over the galaxy without equals.
Maybe if he had less of that good old human arrogance things would have gone much better.
Maybe if Horus just trusted his father, things would have gone much better. Maybe if Magnus just listened to his father and stopped using his psychic powers, things would have gone much better. Maybe if the Chaos Gods hadn't scattered the Primarchs to the far corners of the galaxy in the first place, things would have gone much better. A lot of things could've gone much better. The Emperor's arrogance may've been a detriment, but it was just one on top of the massive pile that had already built up.
Also, give the guy credit. His arrogance was based on "My sons know that I love humanity and I would never do anything to hurt it" and "Humanity is great and only needs to believe in itself". His greatest flaw was trusting those he loved the most, which isn't really a bad flaw to have.