The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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They do, but oddly enough they seem to keep C'tan shards around, which evidently they use from time to time against their enemies.

That is an end game boss in the Deathwatch RPG when fighting Necrons. You can even roll up your own C'tan.

Which shouldn't be possible considering they literally all ate each other in a cannibalistic feeding frenzy leaving only the Deceiver, the Outsider, the Nightbringer, and the Void Dragon.
 
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Which shouldn't be possible considering they literally all ate each other in cannibalistic feeding frenzy leaving only the Deceiver, the Outsider, the Nightbringer, and the Void Dragon.
Retconned away it seems. Those four apparently are the only ones that have eluded escape from the Tesseract Labyrinth.

"A Tesseract Labyrinth is an arcane Necron artefact that takes the shape of a small and innocent-looking cube about the size of a closed fist. However, a Tesseract Labyrinth is nothing less than the physical manifestation of a pocket-dimensional prison gateway, utilising the Necrons' mastery over hyper-geometry and phase technology to trap enemies within its fold; from which there is no escape. Necrons have used Tesseract Labyrinths to trap and imprison C'tan Shards in the past, and Necron royalty like Necron Overlords, Necron Lords and Necron Destroyer Lords sometimes carry a Tesseract Labyrinth into battle so as to imprison a particularly troublesome enemy, or, should the tidings of war be dire enough to warrant it, release an imprisoned C'tan Shard upon their foe. Such action is not undertaken lightly by Necron rulers, for the chance of the C'tan Shard escaping re-capture after the battle is, while remote, a possibility too dangerous to be allowed."

Need to check my Black Crusade book real fast to confirm this, it's mentioned in there.

EDIT: Yeah, this is a real thing.
 
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The Despair of Yoahi
The Despair of Yoahi

Low darken ceilings echoed as a man walked the halls. Knocking thrice on the looming doors they opened to the bridge of The Despair of Yoahi named for the first man, a Alpha grade at that, who became it's first cargo. The soul-numbing despair that cloaked the rest of the ship was held at bay by the bright torches and glowing Halo-screens casting soothing light on the Captain and his bridge crew. The Navigator for the day, a lower member of the Granicus House, glanced at the man approaching his Captain before wisely deciding that discretion was the better part of valor and retreated from the dials. Never turning his head from the map before him the Captain sat in silence as the man waited at the foot of his command throne. Finally he grated out his question.

"Mr. Horkft. Would you care to explain to me what happened to my cargo?"

Whencing at the tone the First Mate could but hope the Captain would see the necessity of his actions. "Sir! During routine movement of unsanctioned psykers from Hold E-768-A2S to Hold A90-7Y6-7H a Epsilon-level regained enough lucidity to attempt to attack and escape his guards. However in his attempt he opened a Warp Rift that lead to a minor Deamon incursion. Following confirmation of Deamons orders were given to purge the Hold and all surrounding Holds. After action investigations show that our attempts to ration our sedatives left him under dosed and are responsible for the incident. We have 53 unsanctioned psykers left after the purge."

Designing to look upon his First Mate Captain Fyuin leveled a heated gaze at the man. "Mr. Horkft your actions have left me with more Navigators than cargo on my ship. Do you see my problem."

"Captain Fyuin do lighten up on the poor man." came a very cultured voice on the other side of the bridge. Turning to the spat Novator Gestde casted a disappointed look at the Captain. "This was supposed to be a training trip for my House. Get the new bloods used to using their gifts and the atmosphere of a Blackship before they are placed in charge of a ship themselves. No one expected for the Emperor to go die much less to get caught up in this mess." gesturing at the map. Outside of the asteroid belt of the gas giant they were hiding in a Tyranid fleet was fighting and losing against a Ork Space Hulk and its Escorts. "Once the Shadow in the warp passes we can continue to the nearest Scholastica Psykana and continue our mission. Now how sure are you that this Avernus is still around and hasn't fallen?"

"Very. My head Adept was in the same class as the man sent to head the Scholastica Psykana on Avernus, one Headmaster Ridcully. According to him if any of the Scholastica Psykana survived the Emperors death it would be his. Hows your House holding up anyway these days Gestde." Captain Fyuin taunted him digging at his fallen fortunes.

Giving a poisonous glare Novator Gestde replied "As well as yours. Those too weak of mind who didn't fall in the Emperors death have already collapsed to the Shadow in the warp. What is left are some of the hardest Navigators alive all 400 of them. Just get us were we need to be Fyuin, so I may never have to see your face again." As he stalked off the bridge to the quarters the Granicus House had claimed he was followed by the Captains harsh laughter.
 
Not sure what's going on here. So your omake is about a ship full of Navigators being near the Imperial Trust?
A Blackship on a training cruise for the Granicus Navigator House, one of three Houses who only supply Blackships, was make its rounds in the area when the Emperor died. Now whats left of the crew, Navigators, and unsanctioned psykers are trying to make their way to the closest Scholastica Psykana that they know of, Avernus, but ran right into the Ork Nid fight and can't get out. The Captain is a ass who the Novator in charge of the Navigators hates and the feeling's mutual. In this part while trying to stretch their supplies a under drugged unsanctioned Epsilon opened a Warp Rift killing most of the psykers. The Captain and Novator snip at each other. I should stretch the Omake but I got work in a few hours so I rushed it and it shows.
 
So anyone think that the Fair Isles disappearance sounds a lot like an ISOT event? Course, since its Warhammer 43k they will likely end up somewhere horrible, but it would be funny if another Avernite enclave popped up in another dimension, or heck on a random planet on the other side of the galaxy.
 
2. So you're criticizing the Eldar for being arrogant and thinking they're better than everyone else while saying that humanity should think it's better than anyone else... ok. Oh, and those bastards intend to go conquer the galaxy and keep the other races down... humanity would never do that, right? Oh wait, that's exactly what the Emperor tried to do.
Humans are not genetically predisposed to arrogance, or at least nowhere near to the level of the Eldar. In all of 40k, the only humble Eldar was known as Uthar the Perverse. Humanity (or at least the Emperor) wants to conquer the galaxy so that all the people of the galaxy can be at peace. The Eldar just wants to put humans and other races into glorified zoos.

3. Last time I checked, humanity has been worshiping gods for most of its existence, and one of the Emperor's problems was that he apparently underestimated just how much most of humanity apparently needed something bigger to believe in, and it bit him in the ass big time. The Emperor himself was worshiped as a god for the last thirteen thousand years, and is continuing to be worshiped by us even now - again, if you haven't been paying attention, he is literally ascending to godhood. It doesn't matter what kind of future potential humanity might have regarding needing gods, right now they do, and they pretty much either go for the Emperor or one of the five Chaos Gods, with little inbetween.
Believing in gods isn't the same as having the help of gods. "The power was inside you all along" is what can be best used to describe the great things humans have done in the name of gods while seemingly under divine empowerment. Humanity's need to believe in something greater than themselves is exaggerated. The humans of the Dark Age of Technology were great and powerful despite not believing in much of anything at all, other than themselves. Even during the Age of the Imperium, many humans managed to accomplish great things through self-determination and a belief in oneself. The human "need" to believe in something greater than themselves isn't omnipresent. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it isn't.

As for the Emperor's "ascension", it is anything but. He is not "ascending" to the level of a god - he is descending. He was once above the level of individual Chaos Gods and despite that had no issues existing completely in the Materium. Warp gods, on the other hand, can't manifest except in extremely weak incarnations (relative to their strength) such as daemons and Avatars. He had the power of gods without their limitations, which is why I consider his transformation into a god to be something worthy of mourning.

Potential to be greater isn't the same thing as being greater. You should avoid confusing the two.
A ten year old chimpanzee is smarter and stronger than a newborn baby. Despite this, I still consider the baby to be a higher lifeform. Potential to be greater might not be the same as actually being greater, but it makes up a very big part of it, at least in my opinion.

The Eldar fought in a massive, galaxy spanning war against the Necron threat that could have wiped out all life in the galaxy. They survived that. They survived the fall of the Old Ones, the birth of daemons, Enslavers, and all the other nasties in the Warp that came about due to the War in Heaven. They seized control of the galaxy and maintained their dominance over all the other races for millions of years.

And you're treating it like that's trivial.
The Eldar had practically maxed out their technology and evolution and had complete control of the galaxy by the time the Necrons rose. That they were still somehow in danger of going extinct only highlights their inferiority.

And yeah, they created gods. So what? They MADE FREAKING GODS. That's an amazing achievement.
Give humanity enough time and they can make their own gods, but that's not important. What's important is that the Eldar had them and they still kept f*cking up. Figuratively and literally. If you have and can create gods and you're still facing extinction events, that's a pretty clear sign that there's something wrong with you.

And yet they fell ludicrously fast, and their technology was still inferior to that of the Eldar.
They fell and had lesser tech because they didn't have the same head start(s) that the Eldar had.

And most of their technology was designed by Artificial Intelligences in the form of STC systems, not humans themselves.
Source? I knew they made AI but I haven't read anywhere that it was the AIs that made the STCs. You'd think the Mechanicus would chuck a fit if that were the case.

1. The DAoT civilization did not fall due to xenos attacking. No, they simply descended on the dying confederation. The Men of Iron rebellion was a much larger factor, and was really the first, since it resulted in pretty much all the STC systems being destroyed.
It was not a "dying confederation". The Men of Iron was indeed an absolutely massive disaste - possibly apocalypse level - but it alone wasn't enough to really make humanity "fall". It was the xenos that really hit the nail in the coffin for creating the "fall" of Dark Age humanity, though the later warp storms would've done the same thing as well.

2. You are forgetting that the three older Chaos Gods awoke in no small part due to humanity's presence.
I'd say it was a small part at most, if at all. I'm not sure whether you're referring to their births or their frenzy, but I'm right in both cases. It took trillions/quadrillions/quintillions/whatever of psychically-active Eldar to create Slaanesh. There is no way that less than a billion psychically-neutral humans could create a whole three Chaos Gods, especially with the Emperor there to put a stopper or something on that nonsense.

Khorne's most powerful Daemon Prince is suspected to be Genghis Khan, for crying out loud.
I'm gonna have to ask for a source on that. Genghis Khan killed a lot of people but I'd hardly think of him as Daemon Prince material. If he really were that big of a threat, the Emperor would've foreseen it and terminated him.

You can't blame everything on the Eldar.
Yes I can. Everything wrong with the galaxy is the fault of those damned space elves. Just ask the squats! /joke

Hell, most of Chaos's forces aside from daemons are humans.
That's because humans are extremely populous, Chaos became active at the time humans humans became extremely populous, and humans are at that point where they're psychic enough to attract Chaos but not psychic enough to resist them.

Something you need to understand since you're getting a good deal of your rhetoric here from it - "If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device" is a comedy series. It is not a serious analysis of WH40k Lore.
It might be a comedy series but it does a damn good job of representing and explaining the WH40k lore and setting. There's no reason to dismiss it just because of its genre.

Just because there was a funny short with Decius proclaiming that mankind are greater than gods doesn't make it objectively the truth.
True, but it doesn't mean that mankind being greater than gods isn't the objective truth already. TTS just condense and expressed what information existed in the same competent and comedic manner it always does.,

Ynnead greatly weakened Slaanesh and has kicked the Dark Eldar out of the Webway. The Emperor never managed that.
Ynnead failed to do more than wound Slaanesh despite Slaanesh rolling two 1's in a row (her being in the centre of her power only gave her that saving roll) while she was distracted by a direct assault from the Abomination. The Emperor never managed to kick the DE out because it simply wasn't worth the time and effort. Reclaiming humanity's lost worlds and connecting mankind to the webway were both more important tasks. As for why he didn't kill/wound Slaanesh, it's for the same reason why the Abomination didn't despite her already being wounded - the Chaos Gods would've ganged up on him and beat his ass. As powerful as the Emperor is, he can't take all four Chaos Gods at once.

And yes, the creation of the Emperor is a big deal, but he was still a deeply flawed individual whose conceit cost him, his sons, and humanity and the galaxy as a whole dearly. Chaos ended up having a bigger presence in the galaxy than ever, and it even resulted in a new Chaos God.
He wasn't perfect, but so what? He was still the greatest thing the galaxy had ever seen, his virtues far outweighing his flaws. In that way, he really was the embodiment of mankind: not perfect, but still really freaking great. Chaos had a bigger presence in the galaxy, but that would've happened regardless. The Emperor was the only real threat to the machinations of the Chaos Gods, hence the epithet 'Anathema'. The Emperor's actions may have (maybe) sped up the process of their victory, but he was the only one capable of preventing it at all. Worship of him may have resulted in a new Chaos God, but at least it's one that's directly opposed to the Four - a far better outcome than if they were to simply have free reign over the galaxy without equals.

Maybe if he had less of that good old human arrogance things would have gone much better.
Maybe if Horus just trusted his father, things would have gone much better. Maybe if Magnus just listened to his father and stopped using his psychic powers, things would have gone much better. Maybe if the Chaos Gods hadn't scattered the Primarchs to the far corners of the galaxy in the first place, things would have gone much better. A lot of things could've gone much better. The Emperor's arrogance may've been a detriment, but it was just one on top of the massive pile that had already built up.

Also, give the guy credit. His arrogance was based on "My sons know that I love humanity and I would never do anything to hurt it" and "Humanity is great and only needs to believe in itself". His greatest flaw was trusting those he loved the most, which isn't really a bad flaw to have.
 
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The Eldar had practically maxed out their technology and evolution and had complete control of the galaxy by the time the Necrons rose. That they were still somehow in danger of going extinct only highlights their inferiority.
actually the Eldar were not around at the early part of the War in heaven, it is implied that the Old Ones created or uplifted them to fight in it
 
also can you stop this argument, both of you have reached the point where you are just asking for proof and not thinking about the others persons arguments and to be honest it is getting a bit off topic,
also I am getting tempted to provide some in universe support for Enjou who is closer to my point of view and I shouldn't
 
What about Avernus? A great deal of its population either comes from elsewhere in the Imperium or Midgard, which you said is prejudiced against them.
 
What about Avernus? A great deal of its population either comes from elsewhere in the Imperium or Midgard, which you said is prejudiced against them.
In general they have more important thing to worry about, there may be a level of prejudice but it is not very large and does not get passed on to the next generation much
 
@durin: What would Avernite colonization have been like if "Abundant Growth- Massive amount of quickly growing plants, very easy farming, much effort is need to keep growth under control. +3" had been made one of the planetary traits?
 
@durin: What would Avernite colonization have been like if "Abundant Growth- Massive amount of quickly growing plants, very easy farming, much effort is need to keep growth under control. +3" had been made one of the planetary traits?
the entire planet would have been covered in jungle, think of a planet with Avernus level flora and fuana where the plants grow fast enough that you can see the growth with a naked eye
 
Would it be improper to request som bolognaise sauce to go with all this spagghetti posting?

We are damn lucky we did the hydroponics this year.
 
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