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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Maybe you are right. Maybe, just maybe, we can all get along!
... You don't have to laugh so hard.
[X] Attack as soon a possible
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
This will not go as we think or hope in so many ways.
There could be a webgate there with the majority of them just fleeing and us dying to automated defences...
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
This will not go as we think or hope in so many ways.
There could be a webgate there with the majority of them just fleeing and us dying to automated defences...
[X] Attack as soon a possible
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
- Location
- Leeds
Given we have no information about the Dark Eldars time line for creating defences it could also be the worst of both. It could turn out that the upgrades are more effective on the larger ships.
- Location
- Somewhere, Maybe
[X] Attack as soon a possible
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
As much as I want us to utterly flatten these cenobyte-wannabies, our supply lines between the Nine Worlds are stretched to the breaking point already, we can't afford to loose a single merchantman at the moment, as it would royally fuck off Vanaheim's already-poor morale and we don't want a full-blown rebellion on our naval-shipyard world, thanks.
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
As much as I want us to utterly flatten these cenobyte-wannabies, our supply lines between the Nine Worlds are stretched to the breaking point already, we can't afford to loose a single merchantman at the moment, as it would royally fuck off Vanaheim's already-poor morale and we don't want a full-blown rebellion on our naval-shipyard world, thanks.
- Location
- Spain
[X] Attack as soon a possible
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
- Location
- Australia
[X] Attack as soon a possible
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
- Location
- Somewhere Out There
Surt, the inquisition, and the fabricator-general are all in favor of waiting and I haven't seen anybody taking that as seriously as I think it should be. Can our fleet suffer little enough damage to remain effective after this fight? It would be REALLY unfortunate to win with high attrition here and then be more exposed than we can handle. I don't have a good feel for the situation, but if a few years of raiding is going to do less damage to us then the attrition of an immediate attack, it may be worth waiting. Also, it feels... unlikely that we'll get every DE which means that we'll have (if I understand the situation correctly) small raiding ships which are too quick to be caught without significant fleet coverage. Coverage we may not have if we go break our heads against them now.
All that said, none of the arguments for waiting included any of my above concerns so I could just be worried about nothing
Input, anyone?
All that said, none of the arguments for waiting included any of my above concerns so I could just be worried about nothing
Input, anyone?
- Location
- nowhere
the problem is that our shipping is stretched to the breaking point now. we cannot afford for them to finish fortifying their cities. then turn to raiding our shipping. and all of the military minded are for attacking now. enjou's plan has us waiting for our escorts sensors and PD's to be upgraded before the attack. which should reduce our losses in space.
- Location
- Australia
The tech-focused characters argue to delay for tech, the warrior types argue to advance. Understandably it hasn't been considered as a key debating point.Surt, the inquisition, and the fabricator-general are all in favor of waiting and I haven't seen anybody taking that as seriously as I think it should be. Can our fleet suffer little enough damage to remain effective after this fight? It would be REALLY unfortunate to win with high attrition here and then be more exposed than we can handle. I don't have a good feel for the situation, but if a few years of raiding is going to do less damage to us then the attrition of an immediate attack, it may be worth waiting. Also, it feels... unlikely that we'll get every DE which means that we'll have (if I understand the situation correctly) small raiding ships which are too quick to be caught without significant fleet coverage. Coverage we may not have if we go break our heads against them now.
All that said, none of the arguments for waiting included any of my above concerns so I could just be worried about nothing
Surt, the inquisition, and the fabricator-general are all in favor of waiting and I haven't seen anybody taking that as seriously as I think it should be. Can our fleet suffer little enough damage to remain effective after this fight? It would be REALLY unfortunate to win with high attrition here and then be more exposed than we can handle. I don't have a good feel for the situation, but if a few years of raiding is going to do less damage to us then the attrition of an immediate attack, it may be worth waiting. Also, it feels... unlikely that we'll get every DE which means that we'll have (if I understand the situation correctly) small raiding ships which are too quick to be caught without significant fleet coverage. Coverage we may not have if we go break our heads against them now.
All that said, none of the arguments for waiting included any of my above concerns so I could just be worried about nothing
As has been stated, the Dark Eldar ships are glass cannons that are really good at speed and stealth. Equipping the fleet with all the new tech would help a lot against those, especially the sensors.
Unfortunately we can't be sure about the Dark Eldar's defense platforms. Those are likely more like our own defense platforms - they're probably able to take a beating before going down. We don't want the Dark Eldar to have sufficient time to complete those. (@durin - just to confirm, it does appear at least some of their defense platforms are still unfinished?)
Then there's the city defenses they'd have. They're still building their cities, which will likely have some rather nasty fortifications of their own. Not to mention some equivalent of orbital defense lasers, which will inevitably be more powerful than the ones we have. They will also likely ward them against psykers, which will limit the options we have against them if they haven't already completed doing that.
The group that wants to strike right away wants to prevent a group with very advanced technology from becoming too entrenched and raiding our merchant fleet. The group that wants to wait for the upgrades thinks the new technology will provide a large enough advantage that it's worth the risk.
Given how advanced the Dark Eldar are, I'm not willing to bet on the advantage against their defense platforms being as large as they hope. Further, if their ground defenses make besieging their cities untenable, then we're left with Exterminatus being the only option to get rid of them, and that would mean wasting a perfectly good planet that has been made ideal for colonization.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
yes it does
- Location
- Australia
I'm also not sure how much we want our Inquisition to get a taste for blowing planets up again
I'm also not sure how much we want our Inquisition to get a taste for blowing planets up again
Well, I doubt that the Velvet Glove has an infinite amount of Exterminatus ordinance. Another reason to not want to pursue that option is because we likely have a limit on how much Exterminatus weaponry we have available, and there may be a more important thing we'd need it for later on.
- Location
- Somewhere Out There
[X] Attack as soon a possible
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
Alright, given the points people have raised I'm going with Enjou's slightly-delayed attack plan. I'm still worried our fleet is going to get too battered and we're going to suffer for it, but it sounds like we're going to get beat up either way. Hopefully the small delay will also let us get some scouting done and maybe pull up some better data about their fleet size, the planet's layout, etc. Maybe I'm not giving Alliance Intelligence enough credit, but it feels like going in immediately wouldn't give us enough information to effectively plan a battle.
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
Alright, given the points people have raised I'm going with Enjou's slightly-delayed attack plan. I'm still worried our fleet is going to get too battered and we're going to suffer for it, but it sounds like we're going to get beat up either way. Hopefully the small delay will also let us get some scouting done and maybe pull up some better data about their fleet size, the planet's layout, etc. Maybe I'm not giving Alliance Intelligence enough credit, but it feels like going in immediately wouldn't give us enough information to effectively plan a battle.
Any serious scouting wouldn't really get us much beyond what we already have - sending scouting ships into the Dark Eldar's space is risky, and they can't be there long enough to get more than cursory readings on the planet before the Dark Eldar show up and fuck them up.
Also, the plan isn't much of a delay, if it even is one. The attack is supposed to happen next year or the year after. This meeting is likely taking place early in the year or in the middle of it, meaning that the refit should begin immediately and be completed mid to late next year, at which point we'll attack.
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
- Location
- Terror Australis
[X] Attack as soon a possible
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
Serious scouting versus Eldar in space is just going to get the scouts ambushed and shot up. They have better sensors, faster and more agile ships with better individual firepower and powerful stealth systems, so trying to skulk around is a bad idea.
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
Serious scouting versus Eldar in space is just going to get the scouts ambushed and shot up. They have better sensors, faster and more agile ships with better individual firepower and powerful stealth systems, so trying to skulk around is a bad idea.
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They're still there, but they're a relatively low priority for the AdMech so we haven't gotten any actions on them. Likely at some point after we switch to the ten year turns the Coligia will get a chance to sort through them.
Vote Tally : Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) | Page 1020 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.1.23
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
No. of Votes: 25
[X] Attack as soon a possible
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
No. of Votes: 18
[X] Attack as soon a possible
No. of Votes: 7
Total No. of Voters: 25
##### NetTally 1.1.23
[X] Support Aelfric for command of the ground forces
No. of Votes: 25
[X] Attack as soon a possible
-[X] Get all the Escorts upgraded with the new sensors and point defense systems before attacking, eschewing the other upgrades if needed to complete the upgrades in time for the attack.
No. of Votes: 18
[X] Attack as soon a possible
No. of Votes: 7
Total No. of Voters: 25
Dark Eldar Conference Part Three: Finishing up
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
Dark Eldar Conference Part Three: Finishing up
After a brief period of discussion Governor-General Alefric of Midgard is chosen as the leader of the combined ground forces of the Nine Worlds. Once he had been chosen the discussion turned to when to launch your attack. This subject took far more debate until eventually a compromise position of spending a year readying your forces and equipping as many escorts as possible with the more advanced scanners and point defence weapons before launching your attack. This will give you a small amount of time to get ready for the campaign and hopefully still happen before the Dark Eldar defences are finished.
Once the discussion finished you spent a few days talking about details and logistics before the gathered dignitaries begun heading home in well guarded ships. You were on one of the first ships trying to return to Avernus as fast as possible to begin last minute preparations for the campaign.
After a brief period of discussion Governor-General Alefric of Midgard is chosen as the leader of the combined ground forces of the Nine Worlds. Once he had been chosen the discussion turned to when to launch your attack. This subject took far more debate until eventually a compromise position of spending a year readying your forces and equipping as many escorts as possible with the more advanced scanners and point defence weapons before launching your attack. This will give you a small amount of time to get ready for the campaign and hopefully still happen before the Dark Eldar defences are finished.
Once the discussion finished you spent a few days talking about details and logistics before the gathered dignitaries begun heading home in well guarded ships. You were on one of the first ships trying to return to Avernus as fast as possible to begin last minute preparations for the campaign.