The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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The Romantic option would have just lead to Viserys picking Alicent
Delaying would have increased the odds of Alicent being picked
Viserys would have accepted Marrying Laera but the wedding would be so awkward and uncomfortable it would give Rhaenyra Stress
Viserys would accept the Tyrell, Johanna, and Dorne but would have rejected Sabitha and Essos.
And honestly if you somehow engineered a situation where Sabitha could have married Viserys, likely would have just caused more problems for Rhaenyra considering this is how she's described
The Romantic option would have just lead to Viserys picking Alicent
Delaying would have increased the odds of Alicent being picked
Viserys would have accepted Marrying Laera but the wedding would be so awkward and uncomfortable it would give Rhaenyra Stress
Viserys would accept the Tyrell, Johanna, and Dorne but would have rejected Sabitha and Essos.
And honestly if you somehow engineered a situation where Sabitha could have married Viserys, likely would have just caused more problems for Rhaenyra considering this is how she's described
Huh, good to know he'd have gone for the dornish princess. And yeah, makes sense Laena marriage would have been unconfortable.
You didn't say how he would have reacted to just asking him not to marry alicent. Too much overlap with the winning plan?
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the all important note now that shes probably not gonna be our mom is can we hang with sabitha I love her vibes. also yeah delaying and romance leading to alicent tracks. maybe he'll still end up doing dorne independently you mad martell gambit truthers
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The Pary Rose or Swag Johanna for a mom, I really dont mind either but the thread has really sold me on Johanna being kind of awesome at this point so i kinda really want Viserys to pick her
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I do think Viserys choosing the Tyrell match is more likely since politically it would be better then a Westerling one, but Viserys obviously takes into consideration more things then just politics, so we'll wait and see.
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Edit: By the way what other options would we have if Rhaenyra spoke to other people like lord Beesbury?
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A dragon lord visiting a city founded by Valyrian Slaves... That seems like a terrible idea.
Well to be fair, that was a Rhaenyra who spent the last 3 years behaving like an angry bratty teen, if we don't go through the "Where on the seven hells Rhaenyra might be!?" phase and we remain close to Viserys and involved with our duties (which include actively seeking a good match) the pressure would probably be significantly lower, and as long as we are betrothed before Nyra is 20 and we marry before 22...
@Teen Spirit just to be sure, the Royal Progress would be done with Rhaenyra and her retinue traveling by land and/or sea, or mostly by Rhanyra and Syrax flying around Westeros?
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Retinue size and if Syrax is coming along will be things voted on.
Umm, that was why I mentioned it, as the suggestion listed us as skipping the Iron Islands and I was asking if we should do that, or if we shouldn't make a short detour.
No? I don't remember that. I don't think Viserys will agree to that. Braavos and Volantis will be heavy enough lifts that I think we wait until after our tour to suggest them. Probably can only make it work if we are looking for alliances against the Triarchy.
I like the Southern Route because I think starting off with Storms End is important. We need to make Borros feel appreciated by his cousin Rhaenyra. Rather than Summerhall (which hasn't even been built yet if I remember right), I think we should visit the marcher lords, in particular Nightsong (as that is the House of Borros wife). Showing an interest in the border is always important for the heir, and makes them feel appreciated.
I do think we should detour a little bit in the Reach, we can pass it off as giving attention to the Reach after Viserys either marries Victaria or rejects her (either is a good excuse). One of the major strengths of the Blacks was that so many of the Reach houses rose for Rhaenyra, and we should plant some seeds for that. On the other hand I agree that there is little point in visiting any place in the Westerlands other than Lannisport and Casterly Rock. The Lannisters have their bannermen tightly bound to themselves. Either we win their support or don't.
Then in the Riverlands I think we again detour a bit, as that is another place where we can gain a lot of support even if the Tullys ultimately side against us. Following that I think we can limit the North to Winterfell and the Manderlys, though we ought to visit the Wall, as the Starks will like that. IN the Vale we should visit Runestone, the Eyrie and Gulltown.
So I'd propose a route like this:
- Kings Landing
- Storms End
- Blackhaven
- Nightsong
- Longtable
- Highgarden
- Horn Hill
- Brightwater Keep
- Oldtown
- Lannisport / Casterly Rock
- Lordsport / Pyke
- Seaguard
- Riverrun
- Pinkmaiden
- Harrenhal
- Maidenpool
- Gulltown
- The Eyrie
- Runestone
- White Harbor
- Winterfell
- The Wall
- back to Winterfell
- then White Harbor
- return to Kings Landing
In terms of time and a more specific itinerary:
Probably a week and a half of travel to Storms End, with a short stop at Felwood and Bronze Gate on the way to Storms End for a day each. We stay at Storms End for a month. A week and a half worth of travel to Blackhaven with short day stops at Griffin's Roost, Crows Nest, and Stonehelm on the way. Stay at Blackhaven for a week, then a week and a half of travel to Nightsong with a few day stops at other marcher lords castles like Harvest Hall. A week staying at Nightsong, then a week and a half worth of travel to Longtable (probably day stops at Ashford and Cider Hall). That's a total of twelve weeks plus change for the days stayed at various castles. So roughly three months, and one turn.
We stay at Longtable for two weeks, travel down river to Highgarden, that's probably two maybe three days travel by river. We stay at Highgarden for two months (lots of lords need to travel large distances to meet us there, and lots of Lords to meet), then send our baggage on to Brightwater Keep (travel time probably takes a week) while we dragon flight to Horn Hill in one day (it's our sworn sword's family so we can afford to travel light), we stay there for a week and then fly to Brightwater Keep (probably takes two days). That's around 12 weeks and is one turn.
We spend a week at Brightwater Keep. Then we travel to Oldtown, which should take one day on the Honeywine, but let's say we take two so we can stop at Honeyholt and visit with the Beesburys for a day. We spend a month at Oldtown. It's about 1000 miles from Oldtown to Lannisport, so about a week and a half of travel time. We spend five weeks at Casterly Rock, it's about five days of travel to Pyke, where we spend four days, we then travel to Seaguard which takes about half a week, maybe a day stop at Harlaw. That's around 12 weeks and is one turn.
We spend a week at Seaguard recovering from the Ironborn. Then take about half a week to travel to Fairmarket (with a day stop at Oldstones), where we spend two day while our baggage is transferred to carts for half a weeks travel to the Inn of the Kneeling Man, where we spend another two days getting our luggage back on the riverboats to travel to Riverrun in about three days on the river. So in total about a week and a half of travel time from Seaguard to Riverrun. We spend a month a Riverrun, then travel upriver (half a week) to Pinkmaiden were we spend a week. Thinking about it, I think this might be the best place to split off for Kings Landing. We send our baggage train back down the Red Fork to meet us at Harrenhall, and spend a day flying by dragon over the hills to Stoney Sept, where we spend a day to recover, and then take a boat to Kings Landing taking us about two days. There we spend a week with father catching up on what has happened before leaving to sail up the Blackwater to Harrenhall on the Gods Eye, taking us about four days (so a weeks worth of travel time from Stoney Sept to KL to Harrenhall). We spend a week at Harrenhall. then travel back to up to the Trident, taking about half a week to get to Darry, we spend a week at Darry, then take half a week to sail to Maidenpool where we spend a week. That's around 12 weeks and is one turn. (Travel is a lot faster in the Riverlands than anywhere else).
It takes half a week to travel to Gulltown from Maidenpool, where we spend a week. It takes two weeks to reach the Eyrie where we spend six weeks, it takes two weeks to travel back to Runestone, where we spend a week before leaving to head to White Harbor. Travel is difficult in the Vale. We decide that in the future we will try to travel primarily by dragon back when we visit in the future. That's around 12 weeks and is one turn. Alternatively we could divide our time in the Vale more evenly, and depart from Heart's Home or Old Anchor instead, but I'm guessing it will be easier to just visit our cousin Jeyne in the Eyrie and try to make peace with Lady Rhea.
It's about two weeks travel time to reach White Harbor. We spend a week there, and then spend a week travelling to Winterfell (most of it is by river, we spend a day at Crewyn's castle switching from boats on the White Knife to travel the final days worth of distance to Winterfell). We spend six weeks at Winterfell, and then a week back to White Harbor before leaving for home. At least that is our official itinerary. In reality after spending two weeks at Winterfell we make a trip up to The Wall on dragonback, taking three days to travel north (one of our night stops being at Queenscrown), spend three days at the Wall, and then three days travelling back with an extra day spent at the Last Hearth (the Umbers) as our first stop after leaving the Wall, for just under two weeks. Hopefully we can invite Lord Stark to join us. We then spend another two weeks at Winterfell before travelling back to White Harbor. That's around 12 weeks and is one turn.
So a total of 15 months and five turns. We might be dealing with a wedding next turn or two, after that we start pushing preparing for this, though we should also look at what we can do ahead of time to make sure it happens.
Noteworthy that the prevailing winds means that there is likely a triangle trade of White Harbor, to Braavos, to Gulltown, to White Harbor. So it should take us any extra time to visit Braavos briefly for a day. Perhaps we can leverage that into father letting us stop iver for a couple days for us to check in with our accounts at the Iron Bank and make some connections (so that in the future if war comes we will be known to those that might lend us money).
Well well well well well. I'm gonna go ahead and take a preemptive victory lap. Because I know Viserys is going to make the only right choice once we lay it all out for him with the winning plan.
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It seems best to choose caution in that regard rather then just assume we'd convince Viserys to let us marry late, by the standards of the society he lives in, given how uncomfortable it would be for Viserys to force us into a marriage that we might not want.
Besides, Viserys is unlikely to live to be an old man. Wait too long with our marriage and our children will be too young to ride dragons into battle for us if the worst should come to pass and we'd need them to. Even Rhaenyra's oldest, 15 years old, in canon had not yet reached adulthood by the time of the dance.
Alpaca here is already counting Sunspear in the Royal Tour route.
Well I wouldn't say *no* to a fiery dornish romance...
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This would somehow have been a very shoujo romance development, if you ignore Viserys' very unshoujo appearence.
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Can't believe people missed the obvious solution, for him to marry all the Candidates, have children with all of them.
Then for Rhaenyra to be the compromise candidate when all the kingdoms squabble over who should inherit.
What could go wrong.
Then for Rhaenyra to be the compromise candidate when all the kingdoms squabble over who should inherit.
What could go wrong.
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BTW here's an image of Forrest Frey from official artwork in the books:
Pretty sure the artwork from the book is meant to be from the same time when the Freys are mustering for the dance, so same age as well. One of those cases where whether Teen Spirit chooses to go with the show or the book version might be of some plot significance in case we hope a Frey might be able to sweep us off our feet
What the? Seems like the show runners wanted to make the Frey ugly to fit in with preconceived ideas about Freys from Game of Throne. Never mind that Forrest Frey was young and handsome. He was considered a romantic fool for his proposal because as a second son he didn't have a lot going for him in inheritance, and thus little to recommend him in the marriage department. I guess the show runners transformed that into him being a middle aged bald man?
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They also made Sabitha Frey into a middle aged woman who dresses halfway like a Septa so, clearly they weren't going for book accuracy with that power couple.
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Was it because he was a second son or because the Freys were still considered an upstart dynasty at the time? Do we know when Forrest went from being the spare to being the heir to the Twins?
We know it was after he proposed to Rhaenyra in 112 AC. Fire in Blood specifically calls out his position as not being the eldest son at that time. I think there are also hints that he married Sabitha Vypren before he became the heir, since she is a bit low for the heir to the Twins to marry.
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Might be a tough match for us to sell to Viserys in that case. Though assuming Teen Spirit goes with the book version a handsome, romantic, young knight for whom warrior women are his type, judging by his canonical marriage to Sabitha Vypren, seems like someone we could relatively easily want to marry in character given our traits.
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