"There is no record of who built that road or of any such agreement," Lady Whitehill retorted. "And we have no records of this bandit serving house Whitehill."

"He confessed to working for you!" Forrester hissed.

"A confession you only gained after hours of sharp questioning that left the man dead," Lady Whitehill sneered. "And all you could attain was that he served my house. I give my word before the old gods and new that I never ordered him to do this vile act."
To be clear, is Lady Whitehill here denying that the saboteur factually was a man who served her house? Or is she simply denying that she ever gave such an order?

"We have no records matching House Forresters claim," he admitted, "but Lord Glover speaks highly of House Forrester. I have no reason to doubt to they at least believe they are telling the truth."
Lord Forrester's claim that he should be exempt from tolls has its roots in the idea that the road he is using is an old royal road from before the Conquest, and therefore toll-free.

One would expect the Starks to have records of which roads they, themselves, did or did not build. It would be worth asking Lord Stark whether those records are to be considered comprehensive or not. There might have been, say, an archive fire 150 years ago and in that case we can't know, but if the Starks have detailed records of all construction and maintenance from the last several centuries and know it, then that may tell us a lot about whether Lord Forrester is being honest here.

Can we get an answer to that question, @Teen Spirit ?

[] [First] Side with neither, Reduce the Tolls by half
If we do this, I'd want to make sure to specify that this is a toll reduction on specifically the Forresters' timber shipments, for a clearly delimited span of time, not a general reduction on all tolls passing along the road or for an indefinite period.

Because given that we cannot prove (and it is rather doubtful) that the Whitehills actually were behind the destruction of the dam, permanently reducing the income from something valuable on their lands would be rather heavy-handed.

I would rather not remove the tolls entirely, partly because there is no clear evidence that the Whitehills sabotaged the dam, and partly because if the tolls are abolished, it is likely that the Whitehills will allow the road to decay unless someone else is maintaining it for them.

After that, you were barely given a few moments to breath before the next case was presented. This time, a man in chains was dragged before you. His attire was rather dirty, but even through the caked on mud you can tell it was once a fine outfit. His hair was neatly cut, though his face was covered with several days of uneven, red and black fuzz.

The man glanced at you briefly before turning his eyes towards the stone floor.

"Amos here is a merchant by trade," the steward declared. "Five days ago, he started a drunken brawl in Wintertown that saw the deaths of three men. He is being charged with High Treason, Three Counts of Murder, and Disorderly conduct. Amos has claimed that he had not thrown the first punch and had only acted to defend himself, something half a dozen witnesses said was false. Though he does not deny it was his words that started the fight in the first place. "
That "half a dozen witnesses" part is rather important, given that by medieval standards of justice eyewitness testimony is about as good as you get (regrettably :p ).

"The merchant... Ah," the steward hesistated for a moment. "He insulted your father, Princess. That's why the fight started in the first place. The others believed the accused was trying to incite something before your arrival."

That just left you with even more questions.

"What could this man have said to provoke such a reaction?" you questioned.

You liked to believe the smallfolk loved your father, and you knew some of them loved you for your actions in White Harbor while others sneered at you for it. But your father had ruled justly for over a decade. Who could say something vile enough to provoke a fight against him?

The steward looked like he wanted to be anywhere else right now, his words choking in his throat.

"I need to know what the man said," you urged.

"He, he..." The steward hesitated for a moment longer before finally blurting it out. "He called King Viserys a thrice-damned abomination born of degenerate incest, who's foul blood should not be allowed to pollute the North."
Given how we reacted to insults against Rhaenyra, and that King Viserys has declared his willingness to rip people's tongues out if they start making (possibly true) insinuations against her reputation over her being a gender-nonconforming knightly lady or over her being bi, I think it's only fair if we are equally ferocious about defending King Viserys' honor.

"I was quite drunk at the time," the man said, barely glancing up to show you his fearful expression before his eyes lowered again.

"Do you deny saying these things?" you questioned.

"No, I do not," The merchant admitted. "I said what I said, but I never wanted a fight. I tried to calm things down. They threw the first punch."

"But it was your words that provoked the fight in the first place," the steward said pointedly.

"Aye," the merchant nodded.

Had it just been words, even an insult as vile as this, you knew your father might let them off lightly. Muttered discontent would do nothing to change succession after all. But your father wasn't here, Lord Stark was, and men where dead.
I don't like it, but I think we have to go for execution. It's not, in a cosmic sense, fair perhaps, but when you're a medieval monarch you really cannot start the precedent that people are allowed to start violence by shit-talking you. This is effectively a microcosm of what a civil war would look like, and a reputation for stomping down hard on people who risk civil war that way may help deter or delay one.

"Does the accused have anything to say in his defense?" you questioned. The man deserved a chance even if you knew there was little he could say to change his fate.

"My daughter was dying!" Pate cried as he knelt before you. "Foulness corrupted my fields! The rot killed my brother and I couldn't let my family suffer the same fate, but we had nothing else to eat. Summer snows had eaten through our reserves. My daughter had barely eaten anything in weeks! Please, princess! Mercy! I beg of you!"

You stared at the man with wide eyes, you'd never had anyone beg you for their life before.

"Is this true?" you asked, forcing yourself to break the farmer's gaze and look at the steward.

"Hmm, yes," the steward said as he checked his notes. "The armsmen who found him did report his fields had been overtaken by a foulness known to rot the limbs and drive a person mad. But Lord Stark has provisions set aside for such incidents. If he had simply come to Winter Town, his family would have been provided for."

"My daughter wouldn't survived that long!" the farmer replied sharply. "She's only alive because the soldier who found me took pity and provided some of his own ration."

His gaze turned towards Lord Stark who stared back impassively.

"I apologize profusely, mi'lord," his voice wavering as he spoke. "You have always been good to me and mine, but I had no other option. I swear before the gods of the forest it will never happen again."

"It is the princess' decision, not mine," was all Lord Stark said.

The farmer's gaze turned back to you.

"Please, princess," he begged. "My family needs me. My girl's barely reached her eight nameday and my wife cannot handle the farm alone. Please spare me."

You sat uneasy in the throne. The law was clear here. A hand or the Wall. But you had to imagine that farming with only one hand was quite the difficult feat. And sending him to the Wall would leave his wife alone to raise their daughter and run their farm come winter's end.

But it didn't take the wits of Lord Strong to realize that if you spared this man, every lord here would think you soft and word would spread to the smallfolk that all it took was a sad story to get away with poaching. Lords would be dealing with criminals for years because of your mercy.

It didn't feel right to punish this man for such a desperate act though. You only saw a few options here, and none of them were to your liking.

How Do You Rule in the Third Case?

[] [Third] Remove his Hand

[] [Third] Send him to the Wall

[] [Third] Spare Him

[] [Third] Write-in (Subject to QM Approval)
Uuuugh, I don't know, this one is a toughie.

Ideally I'd like to find some way to impose a penalty on him that can be repaid more gradually, but that allows him to continue living and working.
 
Also guys, critical witnesses getting tortured to death by a litigant so they don't get to testify is actually a really big deal. The forresters committed a massive obstruction of justice here by denying us the chance to interrogate the most crucial witness in this case in an attempt to get a more favorable confession for themselves. It's absolutely right to penalize them for this, particularly that by doing so they effectively left themselves with no evidence on either the dam sabotage or the road.

Again, don't torture critical witnesses before they can testify before the court yo.

It's too much gold to carry on dragonback. It's with the rest of the progress. I even noted that in one of the turn options.
I must have missed it then. Mea culpa.

Well better then them just not getting anything I suppose. That way they'll have to do without his labor or compensation for a few months rather than forever and hey, they apparently get to stay in Wintertown until their fields recover anyway.
 
If we do this, I'd want to make sure to specify that this is a toll reduction on specifically the Forresters' timber shipments, for a clearly delimited span of time, not a general reduction on all tolls passing along the road or for an indefinite period.
It's very specifically "Cut the tolls on Ironwood that House Whitehill jacked up after the flood in half"
 
I think we need to combine our actions so that we don't show only compassion/forgiveness or only the iron hand of justice. So far as it goes, I have far more sympathy for the third than the second, so right now I'll vote...

[] [Second] Execute Him
[] [Third] Spare Him


This will give us stress, but we do have to get used to it.

Obviously if a lawyer has contrary claims, or thinks of some clever dodge for either the second of third, I'd happily go along with it, to be clear.
That might help. Though I also like the idea of finding some kind of penalty to apply to the farmer in the third case that will actually mean something (to make it clear that we're not just being soft on poaching) but not cripple his ability to be a productive laborer in a North that badly needs all the hands it can get.

[] [First] Compromise: With no document proving if the road can be tolled or not, you find it reasonable that House Whitehill does so. However, you also find it reasonable that House Forrester is receiving recompense for the actions of the Whitehill armsman. House Whitehill will have to pay for the reconstruction of the dam.

While toll rights usually are clearly enumerated, there isn't really anything here one way or another, so it makes sense that the Whitehill's can toll that road.
For the dam though, the matter is fairly clear. The damage was done by an armsman of House Whitehill, and thus they are responsible for the damages. Doesn't matter if they ordered it or not. It's their guy, so it's their responsibility.
Hmmmm. That's... actually rather clever.

@Teen Spirit , to a rough order of magnitude, about how many years' tolls on the road would the reconstruction of the dam cost? Are we talking more like one year? Ten? A hundred?

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Though we're going to have to mandate that the Whitehills charge only whatever the tolls were before the dam broke, because otherwise they'll just use the jacked-up tolls to pay the costs, and possibly jack up the tolls even farther to cover the cost of the dam repairs.

[] [Second] Send him to the Wall for inciting the fight and have a wergild paid to the families of the dead from his possessions.

I think it's very reasonable to declare that he started this without outright declaring it treason. I do want to add a wergild though since he should have the money to make that viable.
I don't think wergild is a custom common in the Seven Kingdoms or the North, so I'm not sure how this will be received.

[] [Third] Send him to the Wall

It's more merciful than the hand, which is a slow execution for a farmer, but the law is pretty clear here, mitigating circumstances or not.
A thought occurs to me.

@Teen Spirit , this guy's a medieval peasant, but what kind of peasant? Is he a freeholder? Are there tenant farmers in the North? The farmer's lands are rotted out, but that rot is expected to eventually clear, right?

If this guy is a freeholder, he owns land. Land is property; it has value. We could declare that some reasonable chunk of his land (maybe not all, maybe only some) is forfeited to Lord Stark, and that in future he can only work it as a tenant farmer paying rent to Lord Stark for the privilege, at rents of the Starks' choosing.

That's hard on the family, with intergenerational consequences, but it means his household isn't outright doomed the way it will be if we cripple him or send him to the Wall, leaving the wife alone to care for an eight-year-old who just went through a severe bout of malnutrition.

It's very specifically "Cut the tolls on Ironwood that House Whitehill jacked up after the flood in half"
Ahhh, well that's not so bad then. Did Whitehill only start charging the tolls after the flood? Or did they just double or otherwise increase an existing toll?
 
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Amos has claimed that he had not thrown the first punch and had only acted to defend himself, something half a dozen witnesses said was false
"He called King Viserys a thrice-damned abomination born of degenerate incest, who's foul blood should not be allowed to pollute the North.
You could just remove his tongue or send him to the Wall for his words, but that would be seen as saying the fight was not his fault.

Yeah, just tossing him at the Wall feels pretty lenient. Especially since we're also doing it to the much more sympathetic poacher, basically saying it's the same tier of crime to us.

We have witnesses saying straight up that he didn't just fight in self-defense, he was talking shit about our father and King, and his only excuse is that "he was drunk". Not even close to a good reason.

His words about not starting the fight is like a guy saying that just because he poured gasoline over a building, because he didn't throw the match he has no responsibility for when it predictably goes up in flames.

Honestly think we're more than within our rights to kill this goober.

Especially because the Wall is still seen as at least a little honorable by the North. Sending the poacher will fit in, sending this treason-talking drunk with the rest of the lords who are going feels a bit insulting to the duty.
 
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Yeah, just tossing him at the Wall feels pretty lenient. Especially since we're also doing it to the much more sympathetic poacher, basically saying it's the same tier of crime to us.

We have witnesses saying straight up that he didn't just fight in self-defense, he was talking shit about our father and King, and his only excuse is that "he was drunk". Not even close to a good reason.

His words about not starting the fight is like a guy saying that just because he poured gasoline over a building, because he didn't throw the match he has no responsibility for when it predictably goes up in flames.

Honestly think we're more than within our rights to kill this goober.

Especially because the Wall is still seen as at least a little honorable by the North. Sending the poacher will fit in, sending this treason-talking drunk with the rest of the lords who are going feels a bit insulting to the duty.
Okay with all this taken into context, you are making a lot of sense, not sure if it will win but i'll join you on the execution train.
 
[X] [First] Compromise: With no document proving if the road can be tolled or not, you find it reasonable that House Whitehill does so. However, you also find it reasonable that House Forrester is receiving recompense for the actions of the Whitehill armsman. House Whitehill will have to pay for the reconstruction of the dam.

can we insist that the tolls be reasonable, or are they already at expected rates?

[X][Second] Execute him. Also decree that the first claim on the traitor merchant's estate will go to pay customary damages for wrongful death to the survivors of each of the three dead men. If there is anything left for the merchant's heirs to inherit after the wrongful death damages have been paid, then they can have it.

this definetly isn't the first time he's gotten drunk, so he should know the type of drunk he is. i know ppl irl that bitch about politics when inebriated, but they know that about themselves as adults.

edit: yeah, i've been convinced, we need to kill this guy.

i'm not sure on the third one, is cutting out his tongue an option? i know it's usually a punishment for "verbal" crimes, but there's a connection there with the whole "stealing from the lord's metaphorical table to feed your starving daughter". almost an ironic punishment, but still leaves him able to work.

edit2: i like this one, losing land was very serious business but he can still work to support his daughter, he's already proved he's a solid hunter, he bagged a deer. no reason he can't travel and set up somewhere as a hunter for some small no-name noble's household.

[X][Third] In recognition of the poacher's unusual and desperate conditions, and that he may remain able-bodied and capable of supporting his daughter, the court will allow him to compensate Lord Stark by forfeiting all his land. The land is now Stark property, to rent to tenants or otherwise to do with as they see fit.
 
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Also provided we still punish the poacher and don't give his family a stipend excessive to the point its seen as a reward, it could give us a positive reputation as someone who's charitable/compassionate towards the smallfolk while still upholding the law.
 
[X] [First] Compromise: With no document proving if the road can be tolled or not, you find it reasonable that House Whitehill does so. However, you also find it reasonable that House Forrester is receiving recompense for the actions of the Whitehill armsman. House Whitehill will have to pay for the reconstruction of the dam.

[X] [Second] Execute Him

[X] [Third] Send him to the Wall


The Second guy straight up talking shit about our pops and killed people, no way he should get off with just the Wall.
 
[X] [First] Compromise: With no document proving if the road can be tolled or not, you find it reasonable that House Whitehill does so. However, you also find it reasonable that House Forrester is receiving recompense for the actions of the Whitehill armsman. House Whitehill will have to pay for the reconstruction of the dam.

[X] [Second] Send him to the Wall for inciting the fight and have a wergild paid to the families of the dead from his possessions.

[X] [Third] Send him to the Wall
 
@Teen Spirit if we let the third guy get away with lets say 10-20 lashes would still be considered "too soft"?
Almost certainly, because it's not lasting. Like, I certainly wouldn't consider it soft- cruel and unusual punishment, rather!- but I'm not a medieval noble in a culture that normalizes chopping men's heads off with swords for crimes like this.

[] [Second] 5 lashes with a whip
That is absolutely not going to be seen as a proportionate punishment for a guy who committed treasonous lese-majeste and provoked a fight that saw three men killed. We'd be a laughingstock, and I wouldn't even blame the people for laughing, in our cultural context.

Whipping the poacher would be soft but at least it would make sense on a level. Whipping the guy who insulted our dad after we challenged a guy to a duel he had no real chance of winning for insulting us is just bass-ackwards.
 
One thing I want to bring up with regards to the poacher is that while for most areas of Westeros it's purely a matter of recreational hunting and feasting for the nobility (and only a barest nod to game stewardship), we know for a fact that Winterfell in specific acts as a food reserve for the entire region and that the meals produced by the hunters operating out of the seat are for the entire community rather than specifically reserved to the aristocrats of the court.

The thing about how all they'd need to do is head to Wintertown to be provided for is because that's part of the underlying social contract in the North in general, but for the Starks in particular.

If this was about poaching in the Kingswood, then yeah, it's overwhelmingly bullshit, they have a forest the size of a fucking country to hunt in, and no particular constraints on hunting trips or food supplies, it's purely about recreation.

So not only is there actually an existing social safety net for the peasant's family that he knew about, but the deer taken was from the entire community, not something reserved for Lord Stark's family alone. Much of anywhere else in Westeros, punishing a poacher is solely about the politics of noble privileges, but that's not actually the case here.
 
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Yeah, just tossing him at the Wall feels pretty lenient. Especially since we're also doing it to the much more sympathetic poacher, basically saying it's the same tier of crime to us.

We have witnesses saying straight up that he didn't just fight in self-defense, he was talking shit about our father and King, and his only excuse is that "he was drunk". Not even close to a good reason.

His words about not starting the fight is like a guy saying that just because he poured gasoline over a building, because he didn't throw the match he has no responsibility for when it predictably goes up in flames.

Honestly think we're more than within our rights to kill this goober.

Especially because the Wall is still seen as at least a little honorable by the North. Sending the poacher will fit in, sending this treason-talking drunk with the rest of the lords who are going feels a bit insulting to the duty.
More than that given that the treason in question was insulting Rhaenyra's family in a attempt to start something right when she showed up.

It's both a insult to the Wall as a institution and not really that lenient since it would be viewed as Rhaenyra having the Wall doing her dirty work for her as a method to prevent her from having to do an execution. Which is real bad since the north is using this to gauge how Rhaenyra will be when queen.

In a way it's kinda the worst of both worlds.
 
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[x] [First] Side with House Whitehill, Keep the Tolls in place.

House Forrester is asking for relief here, and they can't meet their burden to show they're entitled to it. In a word, they don't have enough evidence to show anything more than equality of evidence, never mind a preponderance. There are no records of the ancient easement rights they claim, nor is there a standing practice of free use they can point to. And I don't buy the confession that the Forresters tortured (a hell of a euphemism, "sharp questioning that left the man dead"), out of the saboteur, it's as likely as not that he told them what they wanted to hear. What's more, since he's dead, and didn't leave signed sworn statement, there is only the Forresters' word that he gave a confession at all. So to my mind the confession must be doubly excluded from consideration as hearsay and also as fruit of the poisonous tree. If both Houses' word is as good as their overlords say, and their representatives both earnestly believe they are telling the truth, then even credibility doesn't tip the scales. And if the scales don't tip, however slightly, in favor of the party seeking relief, they don't get that relief.

[x] [Second] Execute Him

I don't think we need to reach the issue of whether the defendant intended to incite violence with his words, because I believe beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant threw the first punch. The consistent testimony of many disinterested witnesses more than outweighs to my mind the self-serving testimony of the defendant. And given that he threw the first punch, I can see my way clear to finding knowledge that severe bodily injury, at least, would occur. Further, intentional battery is itself a felony, opening the door to felony murder (which is why I believe the trumped-up treason charge is here; but it's not necessary for that purpose). One murder is sufficient to warrant execution, three is ample.

[x] [Third] Write-In: Send him to the Gift, to farm the land in bond to the Watch

The law is one thing, but the defendant here doesn't even try to make out a case on the law. He threw himself on our mercy as a fount of equity and fairness, and seems genuinely remorseful of his desperate act. That said, I'm not actually sure sparing the defendant to go back to his farm would do any good. If his land's as far gone as he says and as the Stark men confirm, neither he nor his wife will be farming it whatever we do. Either maiming the defendant or sending him to the Wall condemns his innocent family to pauperism in Wintertown. But there is more than one way to go to the Wall. If he and his family were to pack up to a plot of land in the Gift, they would be well exiled from the lands they had known, and he would be quite unable to poach in the Stark lands again, but they would be together and he would be whole and able to provide.
 
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If you found him guilty of all charges, there was really only one option before you. The chopping block.

Rhaenyra says straight up that if the Second guy is guilty of all his crimes, he does deserve nothing less than execution.

And he is guilty, he admits that he did publically insult the Royal Family, Viserys in particular, and we have witnesses denying his claims of self-defense. This dude is hella guilty. We have the medieval equivalent of catching him in 4k!
 
Look, part of the importance of a trial like this is that it may affect what people will expect of us as a judge going forward. Shouldn't one of the messages we want to be sent be that you shouldn't torture to death people we want to testify before us before we get to hear their testimony?
 
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Almost certainly, because it's not lasting. Like, I certainly wouldn't consider it soft- cruel and unusual punishment, rather!- but I'm not a medieval noble in a culture that normalizes chopping men's heads off with swords for crimes like this.
Would sparing him but saddling him with free labor owed to House Stark until lord Stark feels the debt is paid be an acceptable compromise or still too lenient ?
 
So not only is there actually an existing social safety net for the peasant's family that he knew about, but the deer taken was from the entire community, not something reserved for Lord Stark's family alone. Much of anywhere else in Westeros, punishing a poacher is solely about the politics of noble privileges, but that's not actually the case here.
I think that sending the Poacher to the wall is the best bet to rectify this to Starks satisfaction, he has taken from his community and therefore needs to give back to it in the form of service to the Night's Watch.

Also, we should execute the drunken merchant, not only did he incite a deadly brawl but he did so by insulting the crown personally, no lord on earth or westeros would let this man get away with his life on this, its like at the Eyrie, our power and the power of nobility in general relies on people thinking we are untouchable, letting a smelly peasant with a bit of gold besmirch us sets a bad precedent.
Execution also reinforces what we did at the Eyrie was not a fluke and that we are ready and willing to defend the reputation of the crown with our own two hands.
 
Look, part of the importance of a trial like this is that it may affect what people will expect of us as a judge going forward. Shouldn't one of the messages we want to be sent be that you shouldn't torture to death people we want to testify before us before we get to hear their testimony?
Yeah, gotta protect the integrity of the court system :V
 
if we order Whitehill to pay for the reconstruction of the dam, but Forrester needs to continue to pay road tolls until it is fixed, is there a worry that Whitehill may sabotage the reconstruction to squeeze more money out of the situation?
If they do, it's going to really piss off the Starks, who will be making the judgment when that case comes to trial. It's also going to ruin the Whitehills' plausible deniability.

That's... a little vague. Is Rhaenyra aware of any other tolls and how they compare to the toll levied by the Whitehills? I'm not asking for hard numbers here but surely Rheanyra is at least vaguely aware of what a reasonable toll on goods would be.
Honestly she might not be, not least because the cost of road maintenance is probably different here in the North than it is in the Crownlands or the Reach or whatever.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Teen Spirit.

There's no reasonable way to estimate what a fair toll is without a lot more local knowledge than Rhaenyra can get in a hurry. Some number like "whatever the toll was before the dam broke" is a better bet.

[] [First] Side with the Whitehills and keep the tolls in place. Make it clear to the court that by torturing the sabotager to death the Forresters denied the court the ability to assess his testimony, thus both foiling the court's ability to examine potentially valuable evidence as well as leaving the foresters with no evidence to their claims, forcing you to rule against them.

Don't torture critical witnesses to death so that they don't get to testify before court yo.
Ooooh, that is clever. I gotta write that down. Though I'm going to adjust the spelling and phrasing a bit...

The only question is, is it or is it not in dispute that the dam saboteur was a Whitehill man? If it is not in dispute that he is a Whitehill man, then the Whitehills are still at least somewhat liable for the destruction of the dam...

Yeah, just tossing him at the Wall feels pretty lenient. Especially since we're also doing it to the much more sympathetic poacher, basically saying it's the same tier of crime to us...

Especially because the Wall is still seen as at least a little honorable by the North. Sending the poacher will fit in, sending this treason-talking drunk with the rest of the lords who are going feels a bit insulting to the duty.
A good point. One thing we can see because we see the future of this setting's timeline 150 years down the road is that the habit of sending criminals to the Wall has gradually undermined discipline and the self-respect (and everyone else respect) of the Wall and the Night Watch as an institution. That's... not a good thing, especially since Rhaenyra is one of the few people aware that a giant evil winterpocalypse may come down from the other side of the Wall at some point in the future.
 
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The only question is, is it or is it not in dispute that the dam saboteur was a Whitehill man? If it is not in dispute that he is a Whitehill man, then the Whitehills are still at least somewhat liable for the destruction of the dam...
The Whitehills certainly dispute that he was their man. And I do not see [and am shutting my eyes to inadmissible] evidence that he was.
 
[X] [First] Write-in: House Whitehill as a vassal of House Bolton is allowed to levy tolls on the road given their previous maintenance work and the lack of documentation provided by House Forrester. However, the levy must be set at a reasonable level that is comparable to other road tolls levied in the North. House Whitehill is responsible for the actions of its armsmen and must provide recompense to House Forrester. The recompense shall be set at half the cost of repairing the dam. Any further actions against the dam or similar infrastructure by House Whitehill or servants of House Whitehill will face significantly more harsh punishments as decided on by House Stark.
[X] [Second] Execute Him
[X] [Third] Send him to the Wall

Fundamentally, despite the stress it will cause us, we are socially required to execute the second. Frankly, executing him with a clean sword slash is better than he could reasonably expect.

There's an element of sexism at play: if we were the shining galant prince we could laugh it off and give him the "lighter" punishment of the wall. But Rhaenyra does not get to play by the rules that a prince would. We're not going to like it (as say Joffrey would) hence the stress. But this is part of the role we need to play.

On the other hand, we cannot be cruel. Because if we are seen to be cruel we will be labelled Maegor with teats. Its a fine balancing act, but this is an area where the law is clear and we know what our father's judgement would be, indeed we can reasonably guess what Lord Stark's would be.

As for the first I think that the thread has broadly settled on a consensus, I just prefer this write in because I think it goes into the "why" of our judgement further. Although I am swayed by the argument that actually House Forrester have brought no evidence beyond the alleged confessions of a dead man.

As for the third... I think this is again what we have to do.
 
Lads let's execute the merchant, I know the stress hit sounds scary, but we do intend to rest to get some stress reduction at some point, and more importantly we look weak if we don't, not lenient or merciful or a chill girl, but weak.

Our Father would cut out his tongue if someone said those things to us, and pretty much every lord would do something similar if their house was insulted in such a way, also the bastard knows we have a dozen witnesses saying he threw the first punch and escalated, and he's still trying to lie and say he didn't.
 
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