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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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If we're looking forward to mitigating the upcoming wars of succession (which there defintely will be), there's a few marriage paths. Marrying the prince of Dorne will bring them into the realm and guarantee us Dornish spears at the cost of alienating vast swaths of the nobility, especially the Stormlands and the Reach, and I expect Corlys will throw in with Daemon if they arrange a marriage with Laena.

This would be a very difficult path, but theoretically we could strengthen ties with the North, Riverlands, Vale, and even potentially the Iron Islands, untrustworthy as they are.

Alternately, we could arrange a political match with Laenor and both find romances with our secret partners, gaining their dragons and fleet - though we'd still have to try to prevent Laena marrying Daemon.

The Crownlands are likely to be divided in any war of succession, likely being split between Rhaenyra and Daemon off the bat, and the Westerlands are a wildcard depending on if anyone tries to back Viserys new children for the throne.

Effort could be put into befriending and subverting Laenor and Laena against Daemon, but this would be difficult and very likely put them at odds against their father if we refuse a royal marriage with Laenor. Similarly we can go hard on befriending the Westerlings and our new siblings so they'd be reluctant to betray us.

Those are the two big brain political plays we could make - the Baratheons would guarantee us the Stormlands but it'd probably be an odious marriage, and most "romantic" marriage besides Dorne don't get us an entire kingdom locked down into our camp, and all risk Corlys backing Daemon.

Thinking about it, it really seems like our biggest priority is driving a wedge between Corlys and Daemon to avoid starting at a massive disadvantage in dragons.

So basically either we marry Laenor or find a way turn his children against Daemon and probably drive a wedge between them and their father.

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We're trying to annul his marriage right now which means we basically need to make the call next turn. If we don't accept a mariage to Laenor or subvert Laena then it'll be possible they marry immediately. Corlys didn't care about her age with Viserys.
 
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Temes1066 said:
I do remember in the OTL
Mysaria unofficially served that role
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Porque no los dos?

Pick up Alys in the Riverlands, and maybe get her help to introduce Larys to a rickety flight of stairs if ya know what I mean.

And Mysaria already had a working relationship with the Hightowers. If we can manage to coordinate with her and Gwayne, we could have the whole city on lock.
 
Mysaria doesn't have a working relationship with House Hightower.

@Teen Spirit since we are a cousin of Jeyne Arryn, what are the chances of one of children inheriting the Vale of Arryn.

Edit: Also I curious, what is Ser Criston Cole up to right now?
 
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I would say unless all of surnamed Arryns also cousins to Jeyne die, we have no chance. Then we would have to fight the descendants Arryns from the female side of tree.
 
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Temes1066 said:
Mysaria doesn't have a working relationship with House Hightower.

@Teen Spirit since we are a cousin of Jeyne Arryn, what are the chances of one of children inheriting the Vale of Arryn.
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Zero, because that isn't how it works. You'd either have to wipe out the entirety of Jeyne's family branch, or usurp the Vale.

Reconstructing the Arryn family tree... our mother came from Lord Rodrik Arryn of the Vale's second marriage. He also had four children from his first marriage. They, and all their descendants, would precede us. Most likely, Jeyne's father was the eldest son of Rodrik's eldest son (so she is our half-cousin once removed - her father would have been our [half-]cousin). Her eventual heir to the Vale in canon, Joffrey Arryn, described as a cousin of hers, is probably is the grandson of Lord Rodrik's second son. And his two daughters from the first marriage presumably married people, too, and might have had descendants.
 
Temes1066 said:
Mysaria doesn't have a working relationship with House Hightower.
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Isn't Mysaria the one that sold out canon Rhaenyra and Daemon brothel visit to Otto? As well as the one Otto used to find Aegon? It might not have been a close relationship but I think Otto did use her services on the regular until she overstepped at the end of S1.

Fanhunter696 said:
Alternatively, we can marry one of our children to Jeyne's designated heir...

No need to wipe the family branch...
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Our kids obviously should marry Dornish. Because the Dornish Agenda never dies as long as there is hope.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Alternatively, we can marry one of our children to Jeyne's designated heir...

No need to wipe the family branch...
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Jeyne would go on to fight off two rebellions against her by her cousin Arnold (another grandson of Lord Rodrik's first son, while Joffrey probably came from his second son), and during the Dance another one by that cousin's son... both of who would be her heir at the time. But might be considered attainted now. And of course, Jeyne would never have children of her own.

So basically, there is no clear heir. Though I guess Joffrey is probably just a few years younger for us. But, uh, we really don't want personal unions, I feel like. And ideally also not husbands with prestigeous names and positions that they could sideline us or our name.

Temes1066 said:
Joffrey Arryn is her fourth cousin. A maybe grandson of Lord Rodrick Arryn is Arnold Arryn (Jeyne's First cousin who tried to overthrow her twice)
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Is that stated it's her fourth cousin? Given the timeline, that would make him more distant related to her than us, as you can't put 4 generations between Rodrick and him/Jeyne.
 
Susano said:
Jeyne would go on to fight off two rebellions against her by her cousin Arnold (another grandson of Lord Rodrik's first son, while Joffrey probably came from his second son), and during the Dance another one by that cousin's son... both of who would be her heir at the time. But might be considered attainted now. And of course, Jeyne would never have children of her own.

So basically, there is no clear heir. Though I guess Joffrey is probably just a few years younger for us. But, uh, we really don't want personal unions, I feel like. And ideally also not husbands with prestigeous names and positions that they could sideline us or our name.
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TBH, if we marry our children to her "designated heir" that heir will have a dragon rider as his or her spouse, which will probably clarify the succession conflict significantly...
 
As things are, we probably have the Vale in our bag as is. We only have one marriage (well, one at atime :V ), so we better use it wisely in the future. Somewhere where it might throw more weight onto the scales. Also, again, maybe not a heir.
 
Susano said:
Is that stated it's her fourth cousin
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The book, Fire and Blood make it clear.

Edit: For potential Alicent marriages, how about Harwin Strong:
  • This (hopefully) gives us Harrenhal, a vital Riverland seat
  • This gives Otto Hightower potential leverage over Lyonel Strong (which will increase his power in Small Council)
  • Harwin may be open to sharing Alicent
  • Harrenhal is not far from King's Landing, so travel should be easy.
  • If either of the curses of Harrenhal (The Curse or Larys) strike down Harwin, as long as Alicent survives, she can avoid remarriage by claiming to be still mourning Harwin.
 
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Lord Lyone currently is Skeptical at the moment, why not Beesbury? I know we want to keep Alicent close but at least marry someone whos relationship can be summed as Loyal
 
We can always talk the other council members to try and change their opinions of us.

Between the Tullys, Freys, and Strongs we have good options to get some strategically important allies in the Riverlands if we befriend them properly.
 
Temes1066 said:
The book, Fire and Blood make it clear.

Edit: For potential Alicent marriages, how about Harwin Strong:
  • This (hopefully) gives us Harrenhal, a vital Riverland seat
  • This gives Otto Hightower potential leverage over Lyonel Strong (which will increase his power in Small Council)
  • Harwin may be open to sharing Alicent
  • Harrenhal is not far from King's Landing, so travel should be easy.
  • If either of the curses of Harrenhal (The Curse or Larys) strike down Harwin, as long as Alicent survives, she can avoid remarriage by claiming to be still mourning Harwin.
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Man Teen Spirit has already told us that our ability to play matchmakers with anyone (including Alicent) is minimal...

So this is a pretty useless discussion, the only marriage we will be able to arrange for a long time is our own...
 
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Unhacker said:
Otto having more power isn't something that is entirely advisable
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Normally you would be right. However in this scenario Otto becoming more powerful is to our benefit because hates the other future Ruler candidates more than us:
  • Prince Daemon is his sworn enemy
  • I highly doubt he will be in favour of Westerlander ascendancy (which is already happening under our new Westerlander Queen).
  • The only major Kingly candidate left are House Velaryon (which may not matter as we intent to marry Laenor to gain access to Velaryon boats and Dragons). Additionally Otto probably isn't a big fan of Corlys (partially because Daemon and Corlys are close and partially because Corlys made House Velaryon richer that House Hightower).
 
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I may be beating a dead horse but I'm less worried about marrying Laenor or not than I am about Laena marrying Daemon.

Even if we marry Laenor, Laena marrying Daemon is still a huge problem for us, as I'm dead sure it won't stop Daemon from rebelling and forces harsh division in their family in the civil war.

I'm not not nearly as worried about Corlys, or even less imaginably, Laenor, deciding to make a run at being Velayron kings wholesale.
 
Would it be possible to make Laena our second Handmaiden after we get betrothed to Laenor? I think the Royal Progress plan was starting around Driftmark, and dragging Laena around Westeros with us keeps her out of Daemon's hands.

Also apparently she's a romance option too, so it would be like adding another to the collection. Wonder if Alicent would be jealous or if fiery dragon riding ladies is her type, making for a very flustered girl.
 
I do wonder how people want to manage a polycule when the action crunch is only talk to two people per turn... (3 with stress)Which of course only increases the more poeple, everyone wants to bring in
 
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Ghost in the sun said:
I do wonder how people want to manage a polycule when the action crunch is only talk to two people per turn... (3 with stress)Which of course only increases the more poeple, everyone wants to bring in
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We can talk to three people per turn without incurring stress, we can't take three actions per turn without incurring stress. (And of course we can't do both.)
 
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