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[X] Write In: Path of Least Resistance
-We are faced with a dilemma. Exert ourselves to defend our class, or stay obscured and let them rot. Why not find the easiest path to secure both?
-We have in our possession a book containing all the information you need to know about your enrollment. A pity it doesn't contain a passage talking about potential scams. Or does it?
-Focus your powers on developing the most simple illusion cantrip possible. For a genius like Sol, this should be child's play. Nothing compared to what might be required to ward off upper class man through force.
-Follow your classmates as per plan Punish Scamming, but rather than focus on convincing the upper class men to back off, simply act as if you have a passage in the book warning about this very scam. Overlay the warning over the book, and your classmates will assume it is an official source.
-This allows you to only appear as a more prepared student, not an unprecedented genius. The effort it would take in terms of magical prowess is much less than a dismissive show of force. The book is also more credible, bypassing Sols issue of convincing classmates of his predictions.
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Not wrong, although I feel like pointing out a good part of the Will cost for Punish Scamming is just going outside - the walk, the conversation, etc. That said, if we have an illusion cantrip, we could alter the book and show it to Harrison and Penelope as they're going out. Gives them foreknowledge and doesn't require going out of the room too much, if at all.
Unless this is your idea and I just didn't notice.
 
Mithrill said:
Not wrong, although I feel like pointing out a good part of the Will cost for Punish Scamming is just going outside - the walk, the conversation, etc. That said, if we have an illusion cantrip, we could alter the book and show it to Harrison and Penelope as they're going out. Gives them foreknowledge and doesn't require going out of the room too much, if at all.
Unless this is your idea and I just didn't notice.
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We don't know exactly where the will cost is coming from, but discounting the will is only part of what I'm trying to accomplish here. We get to work less hard on magical practice, we get to avoid full confrontation/showing off, and we get to avoid the spotlight in comparison to baseline Punish Scamming.
 
The idea is to slip into the background, exercise our magic - and let Penelope and Harrison take the spotlight. With none the wise about our prodigy. With those two aware about the scammers they'll be on their guard.

We could argue that the spell draws on the Illusion aspect of Hermes/Thoth - the themes of the misdirection side of Words. If that helps with compatibility and costs?
 
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[X] Write In: Path of Least Resistance

This seems like the best option, both with getting an in with Penelope and preventing the class from being weakened (we will still rely on them), as well as practicing out magic abilities and gaining the initiative on that front.

Edit: Removed vote due to recent WoG that it would probably increase depression.
 
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GenericName said:
We don't know exactly where the will cost is coming from, but discounting the will is only part of what I'm trying to accomplish here. We get to work less hard on magical practice, we get to avoid full confrontation/showing off, and we get to avoid the spotlight in comparison to baseline Punish Scamming.
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I get it and I think it's a good idea. Still, I think using illusions to warn the classmates beforehand still keeps those benefits. It nets less social, true, but it preserves more Will. So, perhaps it's a trade-off over the Least Resistance as-is. I'll think of a better way to get my point across and present it as an alternative to your plan.
 
Mithrill said:
I get it and I think it's a good idea. Still, I think using illusions to warn the classmates beforehand still keeps those benefits. It nets less social, true, but it preserves more Will. So, perhaps it's a trade-off over the Least Resistance as-is. I'll think of a better way to get my point across and present it as an alternative to your plan.
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My main issue is
1. I don't know how long the illusion cantrip would take to develop. Walking with them gives us time to develop it.
2. We have no reason to warn them about it because we shouldn't know the upper classmen are coming meet us. Walking with them gives us cause to point out the section in the book.
 
GenericName said:
My main issue is
1. I don't know how long the illusion cantrip would take to develop. Walking with them gives us time to develop it.
2. We have no reason to warn them about it because we shouldn't know the upper classmen are coming meet us. Walking with them gives us cause to point out the section in the book.
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1. That is true. It is possible that they would want to go outside right now, leaving us no time to cook up solution before they leave.
2. I disagree. If we are going to quote the book, that means we have read the book. And if it contains warning about upper classmen running a scam which we want to show them, then we must have read it and found that passage. In this instance, foreknowledge is fully justified even without the prophecies being involved. This is true even if the passage isn't really there and our foreknowlegde is a genuine prophecy.
 
Mithrill said:
1. That is true. It is possible that they would want to go outside right now, leaving us no time to cook up solution before they leave.
2. I disagree. If we are going to quote the book, that means we have read the book. And if it contains warning about upper classmen running a scam which we want to show them, then we must have read it and found that passage. In this instance, foreknowledge is fully justified even without the prophecies being involved. This is true even if the passage isn't really there and our foreknowlegde is a genuine prophecy.
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If you vote for the plan I'll add a clause about attempting to stall them long enough to develop the cantrip and show them the book. Though stalling might cause it to take more will. If unsuccessful it will default to the plan as is.
 
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[X] Literally Least Resistance
-[X] Take the Write-In with the lowest Will Cost or greatest Will Gain which still averts the problem, or if neither Write-in is functional, the optimised Stay In Bed.
 
Of course, I expected that Solomon was strong in social machinations, but I didn't think that he would be able to influence this topic.
The Stay In Bed option leads by a margin of 6 votes.
 
Fghubyygvb said:
Of course, I expected that Solomon was strong in social machinations, but I didn't think that he would be able to influence this topic.
The Stay In Bed option leads by a margin of 6 votes.
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Unfortunately the write in missed the initial voting surge. I'd assume as people look back on the thread or late voters come in it might get more support. It is very early on after all.
 
Hmm, can something bad happen to Sol while he asleep? Or am I just too paranoid?
 
Andre Chaos said:
Hmm, can something bad happen to Sol while he asleep? Or am I just too paranoid?
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I think not, at least there are no hints of this and the prediction of Solomon himself is silent about it, and I will remind you that he is able to predict even accidents.
So if we are in danger, it is clearly much higher than our current level and we still will not be able to resist it.
 
[X] Write In: Path of Least Resistance

Excellent, the only addition I can think of would be giving Harrison the baton as a reminder and a way to build good will
 
GildedSergeant said:
[X] Write In: Path of Least Resistance

Excellent, the only addition I can think of would be giving Harrison the baton as a reminder and a way to build good will
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I feel that giving away the baton is a mistake, simply due to firefrog finding out that the Magician's wand used to be a baton. That would give us a lot of leeway with the Educator in regards to symbolism and compatibility, as well as being an easy focus for our burgeoning powers. However, if it is temporary I would be more willing.
 
This isn't a suggestion for now, since I suspect it's beyond Sol's reach at the moment, but it might be interesting to look into summoning spirits to possess Sol's body while he sleeps, to let him get the psychological benefits of frequent naps without being tied to a bed. Also summoning spirits, cultivating tulpas, etc. in general to supplement Sol's own willpower by just, taking Sol out of the driver's seat.
 
Aabcehmu said:
This isn't a suggestion for now, since I suspect it's beyond Sol's reach at the moment, but it might be interesting to look into summoning spirits to possess Sol's body while he sleeps, to let him get the psychological benefits of frequent naps without being tied to a bed. Also summoning spirits, cultivating tulpas, etc. in general to supplement Sol's own willpower by just, taking Sol out of the driver's seat.
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Studying while sleeping via self-possession? I'd call it genius were it not for the inherent risk of giving a mystic being the wheel.
 
We could tell Penelope to go with them to protect them. Because she has lot's of knowledge about enrolment she might be able to prevent any leaks, for her own benefit as much as everyone else's.
Edit: Was just shown that Penelope was already in the group, we should just give her a heads up then.
 
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There's a Fate effect working against us if we try to tell people directly about information from foreknowledge. Hence the attempt to indirectly act on this knowledge instead.
Solceror said:
We could tell Penelope to go with them to protect them. Because she has lot's of knowledge about enrolment she might be able to prevent any leaks, for her own benefit as much as everyone else's.
Edit: Was just shown that Penelope was already in the group, we should just give her a heads up then.
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