As I recall, we have (supposing Wallet wins) exactly 2 blasts of pure flavor left in the tank.

The good news is that we have confirmation of the possibility of making coffee jello with a level 3 technique and high enough Arcanum, but Supply/Demand mathematics would reduce their individual effectiveness.
 
As I recall, we have (supposing Wallet wins) exactly 2 blasts of pure flavor left in the tank.

The good news is that we have confirmation of the possibility of making coffee jello with a level 3 technique and high enough Arcanum, but Supply/Demand mathematics would reduce their individual effectiveness.
I mean not if we only used the power sparsely. Like once maybe twice a monthly turn.
 
I mean not if we only used the power sparsely. Like once maybe twice a monthly turn.
Birdsie has already been reducing coffee jello effectiveness due to overuse; Its discounts to the remedial-heavy plan for the post-trip month were reduced relative to the first usage of coffee jello. Logically, using the power 'sparsely' would have to be more sparse than our previous usage, meaning less frequently than once a month, to avoid reducing effectiveness.
 
Birdsie has already been reducing coffee jello effectiveness due to overuse; Its discounts to the remedial-heavy plan for the post-trip month were reduced relative to the first usage of coffee jello. Logically, using the power 'sparsely' would have to be more sparse than our previous usage, meaning less frequently than once a month, to avoid reducing effectiveness.
Uh Rihaku corrected them on why they think that's weird and we didn't lose effectiveness though.
 
Putting this in the thread for SC and because Discord still won't load effectively on my computer:

Right now the proposed mechanics for Aspect stacking are:
*Sanctum +0.2 Arcanum Levels per Sanctum Level while inside the Sanctum (by Birdsie)
*Hermes +2 Arcanum for Combat if equal level with Arcanum, bonus reduced by 30% for each level below (by Birdsie)
*Arcane Focus: Devotion - the specialist bonuses mentioned above plus some degree of +Arcanum Levels for the Technique itself. I have proposed +1 at acquisition and +0.2 per level thereafter.
*Arcanum has a baseline -0.25 penalty to combat.

Eyeballing the numbers, my thoughts are:
*We should probably cap the Sanctum bonus at +2.0 to be safe. This won't be relevant until Sanctum 10 anyway. Sanctum levels beyond 10 can apply some different mechanical benefit or massively improve the sanctum's mobility / accessibility / defensibility.
*If we want to maintain Hermes' position as the go-to solution for efficient combat power, I think a +3 bonus with 50% decay would be cleaner. This will basically maintain its relative value for each level below Arcanum, but offer a hefty bonus for keeping it equal level with Arcanum.
*Basically, Hermes works as an XP tax on Arcanum but grants great combat power in exchange. If we pay a 100% tax (equal level) we get +3 Combat Arcanum. If we pay a 50% tax (-1 level) we get +1.5 Combat Arcanum (compare to +1.4 for the current proposal - nearly identical). If we pay a 25% tax (-2 levels) we get +.75 Combat Arcanum (compare to +.7 for the current proposal). If we pay a 12.5% tax (-3 levels) we get +.375 Combat Arcanum (compare to +.49 for the current proposal). +3 / 50% decay makes it compelling to level Hermes in concert with Arcanum, as a 100% tax can also be used to fund a direct +1 Arcanum itself.

Okay, let's model two hypothetical Sols with these revised proposals in mind. I will consider the outcome degenerate if Sol exceeds Combat Arcanum 16 (16+ is when Aspects begins to scale really fast, going from 9 to 16 only takes you from townbuster to citybuster) by the end of a theoretical 3rd year without additional major SC purchases. I won't consider it degenerate if 16 is exceeded via Sanctum or the Air Devotion, as Sol's supposed to be overpowered in such conditions.

Model 1: Post-build Sol + ~10k XP and Arcane Focus
*This is Sol immediately after our Dual Transcendence build vote, plus 10k more XP to account for adventures and stuff in the coming months. Assume Simple and Good II wins.

Arcanum 7 + 1 Eldritch
Hermes 5 (4,000 XP)
Arcane Focus: Air 3 (3,000 XP)
Sanctum 4 (3,750 XP)

Combat Arcanum: 7 + 1 Eldritch + .75 Hermes + 1.4 Devotion + (3 Air Devotion vs Supernatural Effects) + (0.8 In Sanctum) - .25 Arcanum Penalty = 9.9, 12.9 vs Supernaturals, 13.7 theoretical max

So 10k XP elevates Sol from Simple and Good II's 8.25 to 9.9. If the Air Devotion specifically is taken, that becomes 12.9 against foes that rely on supernatural effects such as magic or superscience, but not hard science. If Air is not taken, it's 9.9 for Water, or 11.9 briefly for Fire, or 9.9 for Earth. Note that Air does dramatically reduce his versatility compared to the other Devotions, so must be mechanically powerful to compensate.

Model 2: Above build + 120k XP
*A hypothetical third-year Sol who doesn't get any more SC

Arcanum 8 (32,000 XP) + 1 Eldritch
Hermes 7 (24,000 XP)
Arcane Focus: Air 7 (35,400 XP)
Sanctum 7 (28,250 XP)

Combat Arcanum: 8 + 1 Eldritch + 1.5 Hermes + 2.2 Devotion + (3 Air Devotion vs Supernatural) + (1.4 in Sanctum) - .25 Arcanum Penalty = 12.7, 15.7 vs Supernaturals, 17.1 theoretical max
Casting Arcanum: 8 + 1 + 2.2 = 11.2, 12.6 in Sanctum, (14.6 theoretical max with Fire)

This extra 120k XP elevates Sol from 9.9 to 12.7, 15.7 against supernaturals if Air is taken. 14.7 briefly if Fire is taken, 12.7 for Water or Earth. Okay, this looks more or less fine to me. Since Air's bonus doesn't actually pay out against the environment or civilians, even Sol with an Air Devotion would take many, many SC purchases to equal the impact of a graduated Metaphysician. We don't even have the extra SC for Arcane Focus right now and don't want to kneecap a future Sol if monetary support dries up for whatever reason.

If this build is willing to drop Air by a level and Sanctum by three levels, it can squeeze out an extra Hermes Level, which would provide a marginal 1.3 Combat Arcanum taking Sol to 14 (17 vs Supernaturals) at a great cost in versatility. If Hermes were +2 / 30% instead of +3 / 50% this would not be worth it.

And of course, Sol's baseline combat power will be much lower if he takes Capitalism, Ho! or some less spell-focused build instead. Noting that the thread does not realistically produce 25 SC in any appreciable time without monetary support (even with 3.5x we struggled to get 12 in this voting period), I don't think we'll actually get that many EFBs later.
 
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Birdsie: It also has the same gematria value as Martin Scorcese, by the way.
He's been known to employ cigarettes as symbolism in his movies.
It's all connected

So if you want possible sc do this guys.
 
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We got +40 for this latest Jello usage. How much have we previously gotten?
No, not the direct will yield, the discounts. Like, Coffee Jello while doing Classwork originally discounted each purchase by 10 Will; but, if we had that much of a discount when doing your conditional-heavy plan for remedials before the trip, it would've been impossible for it to select penelope bonding (because any scenario able to take penelope bonding could take a lesson instead). Thus, the amount it discounted the remedials was reduced due to overuse.
 
No, not the direct will yield, the discounts. Like, Coffee Jello while doing Classwork originally discounted each purchase by 10 Will; but, if we had that much of a discount when doing your conditional-heavy plan for remedials before the trip, it would've been impossible for it to select penelope bonding (because any scenario able to take penelope bonding could take a lesson instead). Thus, the amount it discounted the remedials was reduced due to overuse.
But, birdsie already said the cut on how much it gave has been taken back?
 
So, it's impossible, then?
It's actually connected to numerology, and Hebrew letters have numerical values that can be added together to get a gematria value, so you could start by transliterating "cigarette" into Hebrew consonants (or better yet, start from the Hebrew word for cigarette), add the values together, and find passages of the Torah corresponding to it (don't use Christian old testament, it was changed in several spots and so doesn't always have the same chapter- and verse-numbers for the same passages). You will find several, and then you can pattern match to find meanings. The sephirot (components of the tree of life, which is the representation of the structure of the universe in Jewish theology, kinda) also are each associated with a Hebrew letter and thus to number values.
This is Kabbalah. The rest is commentary ^^

Actually this is a cool enough exercise that maybe I'll do it myself in a couple hours when I have access to a pc
 
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It's actually connected to numerology, and Hebrew letters have numerical values that can be added together to get a gematria value, so you could start by transliterating "cigarette" into Hebrew consonants (or better yet, start from the Hebrew word for cigarette), add the values together, and find passages of the Torah corresponding to it (don't use Christian old testament, it was changed in several spots and so doesn't always have the same chapter- and verse-numbers for the same passages). You will find several, and then you can pattern match to find meanings. The sephirot (components of the tree of life, which is the representation of the structure of the universe in Jewish theology, kinda) also are each associated with a Hebrew letter and thus to number values.
This is Kabbalah. The rest is commentary ^^

Actually this is a cool enough exercise that maybe I'll do it myself in a couple hours when I have access to a pc
If on discord there's been a comment from library and bright wing on it. That you can probably take some notes from if ya do it since it's an analysis it might be about four detailed paragraphs To count.
 




Thanks for everyone in the Discord who contributed to this effort. And more thanks yet to the inestimable @_brightwing without whom none of this would be at all possible, and who deserves most of the Credit.

Here's a link to the album.
 
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I can see a connection between traitors and crushing serpents with the tree of life due to the Biblical story of Adam and Eve with both Adam and Eve being traitors to god and god crushing the serpent by removing its leges forcing it into the ground with the tree of life being represented by the garden of Eden, by smoking cigarettes they gained knowledge over good and evil as well as being aware of their nakedness which they were cast out of and by god crushing that serpent they were cast out of the garden losing the eternity that they would have otherwise enjoyed.
So in summery by smoking cigarettes they would have gained wisdom but they had lost the power of eternity they would have otherwise enjoyed.
Does this count for points?
Or if not maybe being used by someone else for inspiration, hope this helps with the challenge thing.
 
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Absolutely fucking incredible. I'm surprised how much I missed having news articles...
 
PSA - Once more, the whales make a return: an anonymous individual has acquired the potential of getting the Brass Cube at a much later point in the quest's progression.
 
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