Just wanted to say, thanks for always commenting your thanks. I see you do that for myself and some other authors, and I'm really grateful. Its always nice to hear that bit of assurance.
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The Galaxy is Flood, Not Food
- Thread starter Jackson Fox
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Just wanted to say, thanks for always commenting your thanks. I see you do that for myself and some other authors, and I'm really grateful. Its always nice to hear that bit of assurance.
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Vhalidictes
(Verified Demon)
- Location
- Las Vegas
The latest chapter is interesting and I can't wait to see how the psykers new plan goes...
- Location
- Puerto Rico
Awesome chapter.
Which in 40K, it would explain why all the best shiny things are stuff that is bloody old.
Well, you could technically speaking blame it first on the Japanese and the belief of tsukumogami.
Which in 40K, it would explain why all the best shiny things are stuff that is bloody old.
Well, from a meta-physical POV (which in the Warp it might as well be the same thing) the Flood is of human creation, by one Robert McLees.
Including Stargate's Ark of Truth?
Thanks for the chapter!
The Logic Plague is quite fun to witness, no matter how exactly it's writen. I do get a slight sense she's hyperfocused on Tide's benifical nature, but I'm of the opinion it's just her shifting her 'moral compass' from Emperor to Flood (Tide himself seemed to imply the process was entirely natural). I suspect he can do no wrong, in her eyes, unless someone manages to out-logic him... which seems improbable.
Imagine, for a moment, if you had a total, complete understanding of another person. Not 'I know what they are like', an intamate grasp of every quirk, forgotten memory, and things even they don't know about themselves. Then imagine being able to force that person to witness your carefully curated perspective, to see everything you do through a lense designed specifically to manipulate you, so completely it borders on mind control.
The Logic Plague is so dangerous because, for the most part, it's completely 'natural'. There's nothing wrong with her, no Chaos or Warp corruption to find (if anything she's probably safer then before given her knowledge of their greater nature letting her see past deceptions and lies about it). She's just learned a set of new information curated with inconcevable precision to convince her to do exactly what Tide wants. And, judging by this chapter, it's working excellently.
Imagine, for a moment, if you had a total, complete understanding of another person. Not 'I know what they are like', an intamate grasp of every quirk, forgotten memory, and things even they don't know about themselves. Then imagine being able to force that person to witness your carefully curated perspective, to see everything you do through a lense designed specifically to manipulate you, so completely it borders on mind control.
The Logic Plague is so dangerous because, for the most part, it's completely 'natural'. There's nothing wrong with her, no Chaos or Warp corruption to find (if anything she's probably safer then before given her knowledge of their greater nature letting her see past deceptions and lies about it). She's just learned a set of new information curated with inconcevable precision to convince her to do exactly what Tide wants. And, judging by this chapter, it's working excellently.
Mr. Cloak
Orchestrator of Paradoxical Apocalypse
- Pronouns
- I
Isn't that somewhqt the definition of the Logic Plague? A chain of logic that allows the user to change the perspective of even high-end articial intelligences through conversation?
Literally the Halo version of the Talk-No-Jutsu from Naruto, or the Friendship Discussion from other settings?
Mr. Cloak
Orchestrator of Paradoxical Apocalypse
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- I
So exactly how is this different from normal conversations to get people to do things for you other than speed and efficiency?
It's not, though it does have the tendency to drive some people mad if it doesn't work as well. Something that is usually not a risk in 'normal' conversations
There is a reason why Inquisitors are rather good at their job and are often managing to actually survive to do their job. The reason is that the one who manage to grow old in this profession are genry savvy to the world they are in, which is a hellhole that is often grimdark just for a heck of it
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Well, or they get worryingly relaxed. Inquisitors are just as likely to go from 'orthodox hardass' to 'borderline heretical' as they go on as the other way around.
Inquisitors are always paranoid and have to keep their guard up, finding anything suspicious to be investigated and taken down.
Mr. Cloak
Orchestrator of Paradoxical Apocalypse
- Pronouns
- I
.... I have talked philosophy with people and they ended up being given happy pills for the knowledge of our discussion before.
Some people are more suceptable to this sort of thing than others.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[Looks at the list of Radical factions and individuals in the Inquisition cited on Lexicanum] All right chief.
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To be fair, stories are often following interesting individuals. A story about your normal ass inquisitor who do their job quick and efficient while following the doctrine, and after move to the next mission like a 40k version of a witch burning salaryman is not a fun story
- Location
- On the sofa. (Probably)
It says something about humans that we consider the art of debate, the ability to shape truth into a form that convinces an opponent of your viewpoint, to be akin to a plague.
We learned how to debate in school and I always found it interesting that so long as the moderator and teachers kept a lid on things and upheld truth over lies (this requires, of course, that a moderator is at least familiar with the topic) a good debate could get people to actually think for once.
More than once a good debate led some of our more obstinate classmates to realise that what they had believed was false or maybe just a twisted truth. Sadly the debate segment of my education lasted only a single semester, it really should start as soon as children can reason independently and last until they have finished school.
Teaching critical thinking and debate would lead to students that are much less susceptible to the sort of lies social media has become these days.
Not really any different at all, in the sense that it achieves the same goal (which I think is what you're talking about). The issue is scale, accuracy/success-rate, and efficiency, which are what you brought up as making the Logic Plague so effective. Fire is a good way to convert potential energy into heat. A nuclear chain reaction is also a good way to do that. The issue isn't that nuclear explosions are different in purpose from fire (we use both to generate electricity, among other things, though there are also differences), but in scale and efficiency.
The same can be said for the Logic Plague (at it's least invasive/mindrape-y levels), it achieves the same goal as a normal conversation, but with wildly better accuracy and efficiency. So much so it's a useful and effective strategy, rather then the utter insanity of a normal person trying to convince their enemies to change allegiance while actively fighting them. Imagine if that worked?
One thing I'm curious about is all the technology from halo, I recall that tide mentioned that he has fragments of the knowledge of the precursors lying around in his head but what of the forerunners or the humans of halo? So far he has made due with modifying what human technology he could get his hands on to something more halo-y. I'm just curious if we'll ever see the things like the glazing lasers or the stupidly overpowered forerunner ship.
Mr. Cloak
Orchestrator of Paradoxical Apocalypse
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- I
So every shonen anime ever with mid-fight conversations that can turn people.
It's the Talk-No-Jutsu: Halo Version... Or Flood Version.
It's like hollywood hacking, only for persuasion
CaramelTheMoo
Rat and Cow combined
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- She/Her
This has already been touched on repeatedly. And if my memory is working, its a solid no on human, forerunner, and covenant tech.
Tide does not have access to human, forerunner, or covenant tech bases. Only Precursors.
However, this is not necessarily going to stop him from trying to recreate said technologies…
Tide in his "humanoid form" of Frieza probably: "This isn't even my Final Form!"
Factions of 40k:
View: https://youtu.be/n8ZbpxV382U?si=OwQqdKJmdCd1FXVE
Imagine all the Abridged Frieza quotes Tide will make.
Oh. Oh.
Ideas.
Scenario 1: Tide masquerading as a troupe of Harlequins, infiltrating a Drukhari Pirate Fleet
Tide: Hello, my name is Tide and we're a traveling improv group. Here, let me give you a demonstration. We shall play a group of drunken sailors and you're a bunch of baby seals. And… go.
Scenario 2: Later, when encountering a haemonculus and promptly ripping its arm off.
Tide: Looks like someone's going to be missing this.
Tosses arm aside.
Haemonculus: No, not really.
Pancaea-Perverted causes arm to regenerate, Haemonculus screams in agony.
Tide: Ooh, that looks like that hurts a lot. Are you ok?
Haemonculus: I'm fine!
Tide: Good to know. Yoink!
Rips off the new arm.
Scenario 3: Tide, after realizing a large group of combat forms have suddenly disappeared from his perception.
Tide: Why aren't my combat forms showing up!?!
Pause.
Tide: Oh, they're dead.
Another pause.
Tide: WHY ARE THEY DEAD?!?
Scenario 4: Tide, interrogating the Drukhari Captain.
Tide: Where did you say you were from again?
First Officer: We're from Com-
Captain: FIRST OFFICER, NO!
First Officer: Oh, thanks Captain. I nearly told it-
Freed Slave: They're from Commorragh.
First Officer: Random slave! Why?!?
Free Slave: Because my name is Dende.
Tide: Oh, good. I'll stop by there on my way home, pick up some Space eggs, some Space milk, and BLOW IT THE FUCK UP.
Tide: Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not sure what's come over me. I'm usually far more composes I'm just a little bit
A B S O L U T E L Y L I V I D
Scenario 5: Tide towards literally any piece of Ork teknology.
Tide: How do you function?
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- colombia
another big deal is that tide is flirting dangerously close to key mind levels
By then he can turn logic plague from merely a insanely good argumentation and interrogation into instead a memetic infohazard that can be spread indirectly
Aka,purilla might preach the way of tide onto others and have some degree of sucess into making them align with tide
Or vidriov and other admech basically spreading tide propaganda that turns people to tide side
I will be surprised if by next chapter most of the spacehulk isnt cleansed by tide,adding a few billions
So by then tide should be 5 to 7 billion bodies worth biomass
210 millions a day,so in order to reach 5 to 3 billions
Would take 14 to 25 days
Tide will have to play it agressive if it wants to win,take the hives with lost contact,they have the biomass he needs to win
By then he can turn logic plague from merely a insanely good argumentation and interrogation into instead a memetic infohazard that can be spread indirectly
Aka,purilla might preach the way of tide onto others and have some degree of sucess into making them align with tide
Or vidriov and other admech basically spreading tide propaganda that turns people to tide side
I will be surprised if by next chapter most of the spacehulk isnt cleansed by tide,adding a few billions
So by then tide should be 5 to 7 billion bodies worth biomass
210 millions a day,so in order to reach 5 to 3 billions
Would take 14 to 25 days
Tide will have to play it agressive if it wants to win,take the hives with lost contact,they have the biomass he needs to win
Its a memetic virus, if you are familiar with Orion's Arm its like allowing a transapient being to talk to you, they have a greater understanding of how the mind works than anyone not their equal so just like exposing an epileptic to certain stimuli causes a predictable reaction, they tailor a specific memetic payload that will lead to a change in the wetware that is favourable to them. We are all just meat computers after all, and our inputs arent even sanitised.
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