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The Galaxy is Flood, Not Food

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Jackson Fox said:
Fuck, now I really want to write Bugs just showing up into serious universes and screwing with people.
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Bug Bunny would be a horror to any live action universe. In the animated world (anime or cartoon), he'd probably fit in but at live action, he'd be a terror that doesn't seem to go away no matter what you do.

Run away from him? Bugs shows up casually next you. Attack him with any weapon and stuff? He nonchalantly gets back on his feet and brush it off. And he defies the laws of physics like it's child's play.
 
IronBig21 said:
Elderitch horrors beyond comprehension upon meeting Tide: New Fren?!??

Tide upon meeting the horrors of the Ghoul Stars: Mentally an audibly screaming in panic, confusion, and terror.

(Not sure if I posted this already, but I would love to see Tide interacting with the shit going on in the Ghoul stars when we eventually leave Monstrum)
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Tide's going to be in the ghoul stars for a while. There's a lot of stuff that I want to explore there.

Warmachine375 said:
Bug Bunny would be a horror to any live action universe. In the animated world (anime or cartoon), he'd probably fit in but at live action, he'd be a terror that doesn't seem to go away no matter what you do.

Run away from him? Bugs shows up casually next you. Attack him with any weapon and stuff? He nonchalantly gets back on his feet and brush it off. And he defies the laws of physics like it's child's play.
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A Bloodthirst would try and stomp on him and Bugs would seemingly be crushed, only to appear on the bloodthirster's back. It would scramble to claw him off, not realizing he'd already slipped away, eventually walking off a cliff but not falling or realizing it until Bugs points it out, resulting in the Bloodthirster falling, trying to use its wings to fly, only to see they've been tied up somehow while he wasn't looking.

The Bloodthirst survives the fall, of course, but it gets up shakily, takes a few steps forward, then collapses back into the dirt.

Cue the ACME Anvil that lands on its head.

Bugs then walks over, leans against the anvil, and says 'That's all, folks!'
 
Jackson Fox said:
As for how they use ftl, the lore isn't very clear. I would assume they use the same method for personal travel as the Flood did with Neural Physics, basically slipping out of the universe and then back in somewhere else. However, for someone else to use it, I assume someone capable of using the Star Road would be able to 'walk' on it and essentially reach their destination much faster than would normally be the case. Like, crossing a couple lightyears in a few minutes if not seconds.
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I basically imagined this, but a space boat in slipspace:

Cable Ferry
 
Jackson Fox said:
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I found some good warhammer 40k video lore and other here, hope it give you some idea:
_ This guy make a really cool voice for this two character, and the reveal with this talk may give reason for Guilliman to convert to mc side here depend on the timeline

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktDJDiIqaig

_ I remember that you like star war, so here are good tank redesign from this guy on this recent horrible Century tank design (For why still have that ball hull in the first place, from the comment it seem the empire are desperate and need to convert their plentiful TIE fighters into tank for fast-cheap modify at that moment rather than design fully new tank and retool the factory)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhvFPQlYOoc&t=540s

_ So chaos battle sisters is a thing:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC6w5306wBQ&t

_ (Only for tank idea, not try to political) Russian seem to go 'Mad Max' in design this monster 'turtle tank' as mine clearing vehicle that protected again drone tech with jammer tech here (unless it bio drone). Useful again enemy that don't have, or are running low on artillery shells and anti-tank rockets. This could happen when some imperial world fight again mc faction army but the mc still hide his bio nature and show him that rely on pure drone tech can still be problematic

View: https://youtu.be/9gWlb0N2jNc?t=237
 
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Arashi Zaros said:
_ I remember that you like star war, so here are good tank redesign from this guy on this recent horrible Century tank design
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I really don't like that "tank" even with the redesign (outside of the turreted variant which is semi acceptable).

It's less a tank and more of an...armored(?) troop carrier.

If we want a decent redesign for imperial usage.

View: https://youtu.be/7Wwgb37DXZU?si=Wq5i-WryeuB8Hg-i

EC Henry's imperial redesign of the LAAT is an amazing example.

There's also his Nebulon B Imperial redesign too.

View: https://youtu.be/Nz13rwQpUd4?si=hxzOgggvXCbh723A


I particularly like the Imperial LAAT, it looks like a WH40K Stormbird but remade for normal people instead of Astartes.
 
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questioningmeme said:
I really don't like that "tank" even with the redesign (outside of the turreted variant which is semi acceptable).

It's less a tank and more of an...armored(?) troop carrier.

If we want a decent redesign for imperial usage.

View: https://youtu.be/7Wwgb37DXZU?si=Wq5i-WryeuB8Hg-i

EC Henry's imperial redesign of the LAAT is an amazing example.

There's also his Nebulon B Imperial redesign too.

View: https://youtu.be/Nz13rwQpUd4?si=hxzOgggvXCbh723A


I particularly like the Imperial LAAT, it looks like a WH40K Stormbird but remade for normal people instead of Astartes.
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reread my comment again, I just finish edit comment for that star war comment, btw. It more of 'bunch of Imperial last ditch designs made late into the war out of various parts they had on hand.' so of course it still suck, but still good enough for use rather than no tank for that war
 
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Arashi Zaros said:
reread my comment again, I just finish edit comment for that star war comment, btw
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Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that it's still stupid.

There's no reason for Tide to use that stupid design, especially when he's already making Scorpion tanks and mass-producing Leman Russes.

Btw, did he ever upgrade those Scorpion Tanks with the "I can run on literally anything" Leman Russ engines?
 
questioningmeme said:
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that it's still stupid.

There's no reason for Tide to use that stupid design, especially when he's already making Scorpion tanks and mass-producing Leman Russes.

Btw, did he ever upgrade those Scorpion Tanks with the "I can run on literally anything" Leman Russ engines?
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It fine then, just only help give more general idea about redesign tank process and similar for author and everyone here (beside when you are in desperate situation you just make a tank that work-good enough rather than perfect it. Look at how german keep try to perfecting and make bigger tank-gun and retool a lot in the war, only to end up with 100 perfect Tiger tank vs 10000 Soviet T-34 tank rush the hell out of them, make them can't repair-refuel-out of ammo and replace destroyed tank in time).

I guess when the mc managed to get Leman Russ engines or similar and try to redesign for his tank to fit, it would be this meme all over again here :D (in case I hadn't share it before)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMEuy0G5n34

p/s: Found some more lore video related to Nurgle, look like when you disconnect Nurgle follower for a short time, it would make them realize how horrible and disgusting at what they become ?

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6fpzr6FREoI
 
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Jackson Fox said:
Welcome to 40k, which includes such names for places as 'Murder', 'Armageddon', 'Krieg' (German for war), 'Abandoned Hope', 'Banish', 'Barbarus', 'Cryptus' (which is a cemetery world), 'Desperation', 'Firestorm', 'Fortress', 'Hubris', 'Ironghast Foundry', 'Lesser Nox', 'Nox Alpha', 'Nox', 'Malice', a planet that's actually called 'Malum', 'Medusa', 'Necromunda', 'Nocturne', 'Orcus' (which is, for some reason, a penal world rather than an Ork world called Orkus), 'Plague Planet' (Guess who owns that one), 'Port Wrath' (surprisingly not owned by Khorne), 'Purge III', 'Sickle', 'Silence', 'Talon', and 'Tusk'.

I'll also note that Monstrum is located in an area of space known as the 'Ghoul Stars'.
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I know, I'm familier with the lore (to a certain degree), but the creation of the Star Roads, Tide slowly reaching towards Godhood and his general vibe kinda reminds me of the Trailblaze from Star Rail. And his journey started from the world of Pegana, hence my comment. I can also see Tide deciding to rename his homeworld something slightly less...ominous once he gets started.
 
Arashi Zaros said:
(beside when you are in desperate situation you just make a tank that work rather than perfect it. Look at how german keep try to perfecting and make bigger tank-gun and retool a lot in the war, only to end up with 100 perfect Tiger tank vs 10000 Soviet T-34 tank rush the hell out of them, make them can't repair and replace in time).
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There's a difference between one that works, and one that is essentially a plane's cockpit + some tracks.

The T34 while inferior to the (equally flawed) Tigers, were at the end of the day, still functional tanks.

The Tie-Tank is literally just a ball cockpit with tracks and a big gun. It is less a tank and more a truck with a cannon slapped onto it.

Such a poor design is unacceptable when you consider that there already are competent imperial tank lines like the Assault Tanks, the Patrol Speeders, and the Heavy Repulsor Tanks.

It's even stupider when you take into account the Rebels' tanks, which are infinitely more competent than a goddamn Tie on tracks.

There's desperation and then there's incompetency.

Desperation is utilizing old tank models on the front line, of using everything you have as a weapon effectively. Like utilizing republic era vehicle or using civilian vehicles to support the war effort.

Incompetency is building a glass coffin and calling it a tank. Even with the redesign, it's still a vehicle that can be killed by Small-Arms non-Anti Tank weapons.

Anyhow we are getting off-topic. Generally speaking, Tide isn't at the desperate phase where he's gonna have to build glass ball tanks.

If he wants tank examples from Star Wars, their Hovertank lines are plenty reliable enough and are relatively easy to replicate with his currently existing Gravity tech knowledge.

Otherwise, it's better to stick to Halo and Warhammer 40k for tracked vehicles. Their design are more cost-effective and have already on hand blueprints for him to nab.

Btw, can I ask for an informational update on what technology Tide has in his arsenal? It's a bit hard to keep track of what technology he can make use of outside of Flood tech.

@Jackson Fox
 
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questioningmeme said:
There's desperation and then there's incompetency.

Desperation is utilizing old tank models on the front line, of using everything you have as a weapon effectively. Like utilizing republic era vehicle or using civilian vehicles to support the war effort.

Incompetency is building a glass coffin and calling it a tank. Even with the redesign, it's still a vehicle that can be killed by Small-Arms non-Anti Tank weapons.

Anyhow we are getting off-topic. Generally speaking, Tide isn't at the desperate phase where he's gonna have to build glass ball tanks.
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(edit: I add and clarify detail in the design military vehicle process below. As a bonus I add the last part for anyone who want more idea)
I guess I should have make it clear in my first comment ^^!. That video are more of help brainstorm idea in 'redesign process' a tank for author and other who doesn't know general process of "Design a military vehicle > Either retool a exiting military tank factory or build new one, maybe train new engineer for making new specific part > Train new crew-pilots for it" (while streamline the design in the factory process to be better, for example remove redundancy part to reduce weight, better method to make tank cheaper, build faster, better refurbishment inside tank or design for crew more survivable after penetrate, make it easier to fix-maintain,....which is not often since try to make sure consistent-up to quality of first design tend to be already hard. Like the case with this anime scene in video where engine blow up trying to climb a hill), rather than suggest the mc to make those awful glass coffin here.

And we indeed getting off-topic now, so we should switch it now to thing like what technology Tide has in his arsenal currently then

+ Mechanic's goal = ease of maintenance, cheap to maintain, sturdy, won't bother him once fixed, engineers do not know how to engineer.
Engineer's goal = The CEO wants the power of the sun within a volume of a football as well as the equipment to be compact (but robust and durable) and comfortable for the user so they will buy more. Also it must be cheap as fuck and the parts should be easy and cheap to make. *Fuck me right?!*
+ As an engineer we hate architects because they make up buildings that and sometimes physically impossible and demand to keep the design. In regards to mechanics we generally try to make a machine as small and efficient as possible / "Small and efficient" often translates to "A pain in the ass to repair"
(source: Another trapped again - Funny)
+ "Why we hate engineers" youtube video give good real life rule when machinist and designer need to work together to save time and money
 
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Arashi Zaros said:
I guess I should have make it clear in my first comment ^^!. That video are more of help brainstorm idea in 'redesign process' a tank for author rather than suggest the mc to make those awful glass coffin here. And we indeed getting off-topic now, so we should switch it now to thing like what technology Tide has in his arsenal currently
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If I remember correctly, there was quite a discussion back when Tide was trying to replicate the Scorpion into WH40K.

Basically, the argument was, Why try doing that now when the Leman Russ can do basically everything the Scorpion does without a need to basically retool the entire production line for a vehicle that doesn't really much to the table in comparison to the Leman Russ.

I agree with the Scorpion haters btw.

If there's a tank from Halo I want to bring in, it'd be the M850 Grizzly.

The Scorpion, outside of being iconic, is just...kinda ugly? Like, why the weird 90s anime Tall Turret tank head design?

It just looks so goofy compared to all the other amazing looking designs from the Halo universe.
 
questioningmeme said:
If I remember correctly, there was quite a discussion back when Tide was trying to replicate the Scorpion into WH40K.

Basically, the argument was, Why try doing that now when the Leman Russ can do basically everything the Scorpion does without a need to basically retool the entire production line for a vehicle that doesn't really much to the table in comparison to the Leman Russ.

I agree with the Scorpion haters btw.

If there's a tank from Halo I want to bring in, it'd be the M850 Grizzly.

The Scorpion, outside of being iconic, is just...kinda ugly? Like, why the weird 90s anime Tall Turret tank head design?

It just looks so goofy compared to all the other amazing-looking designs from the Halo universe.
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Let's be fair.

It's not like Bungie has experience with designing realistic vehicles. But even then the scorpion isn't a bad tank.
 
Parth said:
But even then the scorpion isn't a bad tank.
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Not about realism, I just personally dislike the tall neck design.

Their Covenant vehicles all rock even with their heights. And most Human vehicles are great too (especially the mechs).

If the Scorpion just loses that tall neck design I'd adore it way more. The Grizzly it's bigger sibling looks substantially better for that reason alone.
 
questioningmeme said:
Basically, the argument was, Why try doing that now when the Leman Russ can do basically everything the Scorpion does without a need to basically retool the entire production line for a vehicle that doesn't really much to the table in comparison to the Leman Russ.
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The main reason is 80 mph on Scorpion vs 35 on Leman Russ. Leman's are armored snails - you are better off deploying them in defense or for big pushes where speed is not that critical cause you will spend a lot of time waiting until all the parts of your formation pull in place. But for smaller operations Scorpion's 80 mph is a very good advantage, though its ridiculously fat ass kinda gets in the way.
 
Jackson Fox said:
If Tide had a choice of multiverses, he'd probably ask Saitama to come help. Either him or Bugs Bunny. Gag characters are basically omnipotent gods in the literal sense when placed in any situation that's even semi-serious.

Saitama would destroy all the Chaos Gods in one punch, the same for the C'Tan, the Orks, and probably most of the assholes in the setting.

Bugs would rile up all the false gods, get them to attack him at the same time, causing a large dust cloud to appear with flying limbs and tentacles everywhere, then slipping out while everyone is distracted.

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Fuck, now I really want to write Bugs just showing up into serious universes and screwing with people.
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Cegorach might be the only one to have a chance lol
 
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Tide Aesthetics Change (Ended)
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    • So, there's been some discussion about the appearance of the Flood and whether or not Tide should change what he looks like. Previously I was against doing this because I'd decided Tide should keep it as a reminder of the fact that the Flood are monstrous in nature as in form, however I've also come to realize it may be more fitting for his themes of redemption for him to try and look more, lets say, 'pleasant'. However, I'm also recognizing the fact that a lot of people like the fact that the horrors that are the Flood are basically the best hope for the galaxy.

    So, I'll leave it up to you all.

    SHOULD TIDE CHANGE HIS LOOK? Yes or no and if yes then feel free to provide suggestions.

    Voting Ends by next chapter update

    EDIT: (BTW this totally wasn't something I decided on just because I looked up what the Unfallen from Endless Space looked like, definitely not, could not be further from the truth, totally)

    EDIT 2: It was suggested that I add a pic of the Unfallen from Endless Space, so here ya go



    EDIT 3: To clarify, this would be for the general aesthetic, not every form. So, for example, if he decides to create an avatar it would look something like the changed aesthetic. As would any of the Flood-filled halls and stuff.
     
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    • Jackson Fox said:
    SHOULD TIDE CHANGE HIS LOOK? Yes or no and if yes then feel free to provide suggestions.
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    It depends on what he wants it to look like I suppose.

    I vote on making it less...like nurgle.

    Maybe change the color to be more jet-black tree-like coloring.

    Kinda like this depiction of the Shoggoth.

    Shoggoth.

    (Posting this since image linking is kinda broke)

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    Clarifying the vote just in case.
    [X] Yes: Change: Recolor to a Shoggoth palette. The main color is metallic black, and the secondary color is fluorescent stick green. Keep the bulbous spore structure that all Flood is known for.
     
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