The Firestorm: A crossover invasion game. Looking for a 40k faction player.
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KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
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- Chicago
Yeah not so sure about that, with the bevy of Alternative Historical Factions we seem to have, the Soviets are a more easily grasped enemy than any of the abstract factions from Sci-Fi and the like. Hence they are likely to be focused on first. . .I mean the EU Still has problems with Russia to this day, and we have like 5 of those. . .
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
Meh. Railgun Defense Platforms make Ballistic Missiles a little outdated. . .I'm pretty sure I'm not the only faction that has access to those either. . .
Jebusman
The Unknown One
Well, I have the support of the GDI and the EU, if I bleed they should bleed with me.
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
Really? They're Ideologically Opposed to you and you have their support? Interesting. . .
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
Meh, I expect you'll be wiped out by the Admech soon enough. Abominable Intelligence is the worst form of Heresy for them after all. . .
Jebusman
The Unknown One
Well, in the end we're all kinda fucked if we don't cooperate probably, besides, the US and the UK benefited greatly from having stronk Russian allies, GDI and the EU obviously would benefit greatly as well.
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
Honestly I'm kind of expecting all the Genocidal Factions to cancel each other out. . .
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
You are basically the Same Faction as the Men of Iron from 40K, the whole reason the Admech kills anything trying to use AI in the first place. They wouldn't be the Admech if they didn't make a beeline towards wiping you out. . .
- Location
- Washington State
@KnightofTempest you assume they know I am present?
Spartakrod
Judeo-Spartacist Bolshevik-Kabbalist
- Location
- Sanctum Arcanorum
- Pronouns
- Fae/Faer/Faers/Faerself
"Better the devil you know than the devil you don't". And people allied with Stalin for a threat like the Nazis, nevermind say, the Burning Legion who just wants to destroy the entire universe because it's inherently in their nature to despise the order and structure of reality.
Plus most people are probably going to understand the greenskinned hooligans whose war machines can tower over skyscrapers and singlehandedly smash cities and care nothing for the boundary between civilian and combatant or any of the rules of war are probably worse than the Soviets.
A work in progress for now, needs a few things to be done such as traits and a location, but I'm just putting it here for now.
European Extra-Dimensional Task Force
The European Union: Tier A
Leader: General Pepe Ismail
Why are you here?: After opening an interdimensional breach via wormhole, exploration via drones confirmed a habitable atmosphere on the other side. With Sol System colonization reaching its zenith, an expedition was formed to explore the other side, and settle there as a new territory, to bring additional resources to the European Union.
History: The future of Mankind changed in the late 20th century. Kennedy survived his assassination attempt, and several months later the USA and USSR agreed to a joint Moon Mission program. While initially cooperative, rising tensions between the USSR and the USA resulted in national moon missions resuming, as well as the development of several space stations and lunar bases through the 1970's. This would continue through the end of the Cold War, a sign of the progress that man could achieve when they wok together.
With the end of the Cold War, transnationalism and globalization took off. The European Union, the North American Union, both grew in terms of power and influence as the states comprising them began to integrate politically, economically, socially. This was made all he more urgent by the resurgence of Russian nationalism on Earth, and the rise of extremists such as America First on Luna.
Eventually a European Constitution was passed with the Milan Constitution near the middle of the 21st century, heralding a new age for Europe. This was mirrored by similar developments, such as he formation of he full North American Union, as well as the establishment of the All-Russian Nation, or the Triune Russian state. Tensions would rise between Russia and Europe, eventually culminating in an electronic war between the two near the end of the 21st century.
Meanwhile, technology continued to advance. Man traveled to Mars and began the process of terraforming, setting up water pumps, solar collectors, and developing new technologies to allow for rapid transit between Earth and Mars. The initial efforts were an international venture, but as Mars became habitable it became less cooperative, differing colonies set up on Mars as the political tensions of Earth came to Mars, and new ones such as Anarchist organizations, Martian Liberation Movements, and others were born.
The EU did not escape those tensions either. Civil war broke out in Spain, a conservative backlash against the European Union and the globalization that had strained the Spanish economy. This eventually resulted in EU intervention, a battlegroup of legionnaires moving in to help the Spanish government and put an end to the conflict. This did, however, result in Britain leaving the European Union, the British United Front coming to power as it played on the fears inspired by EU intervention, and Britain left. Fortunately the Milan Constitution had engendered a stronger sense of transationalism, and the EU bureaucracy itself was devoted to seeing the organization survive, so it managed to weather that crisis.
Now the European Union has several issues to deal with. The first is the Greek Civil War, begun several years ago when elements of the Golden Dawn attempted to stage a coup against the government, which the EU has not intervened in yet. The second is Hungarian Nationalism against Romania, backed by the Russians to some extent, though that has declined since the attack on Phobos by Redwood PMC. And there is the Mars situation, which nearly sparked a war between the EU and China, and resulted in the power realignment based around the Trans-Pacific Partnership and Russia with the EU, even as the European Space Agency continues to have a monopoly on transport between Earth and Mars. Where will things go from here as the NAu races to get to Jupiter and the EU sends an expedition to Europa? It remains to be seen.
Technology:
Artificial Intelligence - AI has been developed. Most of it is basic and operates under Asimov's 3 Laws of Robotics. However, fully sentient AI has been developed as well, though most of the time this sort of thing is secret. While AI's have citizenship, it is not full yet, that debate is still ongoing.
-Space travel - Transit technology has developed along the path of solar sails, propelled by high powered lasers at both ends of the transit points
-Robotics - Robotics technology has advanced quite a bit, maintained by the 3 Laws of Robotics to allow for construction, as well as action in combat.
-Powered Armor - An offshoot of robotics technology has been the development of powered exoskeletons, augmenting troops in combat. Obviously quality varies by
-Solar power - Efficient solar power and focusing. Oh, and solar powered lasers for use as offensive weapons on ground based targets (like an Archimedes laser)
-3D Printers - The technology for this has advanced some ways, to the point where parts and weapons can be made using them.
-Virtual reality - Full virtual reality exists, allowing you full sensory input when playing game or using the web
-Heaven System - A place for people to upload their consciousness into a computer network. Their bodies are maintained with the usage of cloning technology, allowing people to interact for significant periods of time through computer systems.
Forces:
50 Hyena Class MLRS
500 Gepard LX23 Automated Hover Tanks
5,000 Boxer VN3 MARV ACPs
2,500 SOCEUR Operatives (Special Operations Command Europe)
100,000 European Legionnaires
300,000 Eurobot Sl3 Military Bots
10 heroes
5 Charles de Gaulle class Supercarriers
25 MEKO 200 Frigates
500 Zoben class Corvette
50 M60 Transports
500 Pantera class Gunships
4,000,000 Civilians
Traits:
Drawbacks:
Legacy of Nationalism - Sadly, in spite of the Milano Constitution, the member states of the European Union still enjoy some autonomy, to a level beyond that of, say, the United States. This can lead to internal conflicts, whether it be civil wars within EU member states or conflict between the various member states that comprise the EU.
You seem to have a drawback but no trait.
Drawbacks:
Magically stunted: The Vinci Culture has never been as sophisticated in its usage of magic as others of their world, resulting in inferior ability to use Arcana.
Faithless: The Vinci are a largely atheistic culture, not holding to the Cuotl's gods or the Allin's Djinn worship, this leads to penalties to attempts to use Divinia.
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KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
They're the Admech, they're like the only human faction from 40K that COULD find out, because they're one of the few factions that has any significant amount of Archeotech. . .
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
People allied with Stalin because they didn't yet know how bad he was. Only Churchill really considered it, and he was not listened to. Then 1945 rolls around and Stalin not only refuses to pull out of Eastern Europe, but goes back to an anti-west policy. . .
Spartakrod
Judeo-Spartacist Bolshevik-Kabbalist
- Location
- Sanctum Arcanorum
- Pronouns
- Fae/Faer/Faers/Faerself
"If Hitler invaded hell I would at the very least give a favourable comment to the devil in the house of commons."
Stalin was a terrible, evil man, but Hitler was much worse for everyone involved and fully planned on making it so there were no eastern Europeans who were not slaves to German farmers.
KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
Said by the same man who wanted to push on the Soviets after the Germans were dealt with. Look it up, Churchill actually did have a plan to invade Russia in the post-war.
As to Hitler Being worse. Yes, but again, nobody knew about that until the end of the war.
People went to war with the nazis because of Shady international moves and unprovoked invasions, not over the Holocaust, which nobody at that time realized was happening. Those same types of shady international moves were also made by the Soviets during this period, like the occupation and annexation of the Baltic Nations and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Nobody allied with Stalin because Hitler was worse, they allied with Stalin because Hitler had already invaded the Soviet Union and they wanted to use that second front to their advantage. Churchill and the War Party wanted to push on and invade the Soviets once Germany was done for, but everyone else had had enough of war.
That's what led to the Iron Curtain Speech.
Jebusman
The Unknown One
Churchill also got shafted by the Brits after World War II and the average response to Unthinkable was 'lolno' by just about everyone in the west. Regardless, the USSR that the GDI and EU will/would have encountered is not the same one led by Stalin. It certainly has a dark history to it, but it is not so dystopic and paranoid as to purge everything that looks at it funny.
EDIT: Anyways, upon a suggestion from @Mental Omega, I am probably going to relocate regardless, just because I might as well go play with some commie turtles and then go ask the GDI and EU if they want glorious Soviet Steel or something.
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willyvereb
Migratory Thinker
Well, you are right. In all likelihood the Mammoth Tanks used in the 50s are not the same tanks as what the GDI uses in the 90s. It's very much possible they're the derivative of the Soviet design, though.
C&C3 Mammoth Tank of course share nothing but common ancestry with the Soviet cousin from RA1, though.
Still it worths noting that the Allies had M1 Abrams tanks and Apache Longbows as early as in the 50s. And the same vehicles are still used during C&C. Sure, the GW2 era M1 Abrams is likely a rather early variant while during TW1 it must have gone under several if not dozens of upgrades. Still, that's an amazing record.
Meanwhile Apache helicopters are considered borderline rustbuckets by TW1. Nod uses them because they're availible. Just like how many of their other mainline vehicles are rather ad-hoc during TW1.
Do you have any evidence Red Alert originally supposed to have the Nazis as the opposing faction?
Tiberium Dawn was perhaps written with the intention that it went like the original timeline until the Tiberium came but that's a common thing for all early installations in a franchise. There are some ideas which don't mesh together with later canon.
Besides with Soviets being present situations like Desert Storm could still play out, albeit altered in subtle forms not mentioned within the reference.
Soviets relying on heavy tanks rather than compact vehicles as they did in the 50s is just artistic license. Again, Allies in the 50s had Apache Longbows and M1 Abrams tanks among others. That and their generally rather sci-fi stuff show that they were technologically superior to the modern world even back then. Hell, you had real time video conversations during mission briefings. If the Soviet's choice of vehicles is a problem to you then you are seriously missing the whole picture. So what if they use V2 Missiles? They also have Kane, nigh-unkillable cyborgs, robot tanks, earthquake generators, directed energy weapons and tons of other stuff. Red Alert is a whole different world from us yet there are tons of lines connecting it to C&C. It's a prequel of the C&C series.
Hell, while making C&C3 Westwood attempted to reconcile RA2 with the franchise. Their idea was that during a Nod mission they invade Area 51 and uncover Einstein's original time machine. During the fight the time machine accidentally activates and sends one of the most fanatic Nod followers to the past. Guess who was that dude? Yuri. There's literally no implication that Yuri is working for Kane (who must be present) nor anything else connecting him to Nod. Heck, I don't remember Nod working on psychic solders, even.
Yet Westwood intended to do this.
So yeah, there's no point arguing about canonicity here.
That's definitely not the case.
The reason why Nazis were the enemy during WW2 was purely out of realpolitik and such conveniences.
Up until WW2 broke out the most likely foe the Allies would've faced was none other than the Soviets. It was actually pretty schrewd how the Soviets acted during the early stages of WW2. If they were less careful then it could've easily been the Nazis who became the "token evil teammate" within the Allies against the Soviet forces. Though knowing Hitler it perhaps would've been just as likely they form a third force and fight both sides at once.
That being said be it Hitler's Third Reich at the zenith of their villainy or the most dreadful form of Stalin's Soviet Union, if faced with ultramurderous greenskinned aliens or omnicidiac demon hordes then of course the West would make an alliance with them.
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Spartakrod
Judeo-Spartacist Bolshevik-Kabbalist
- Location
- Sanctum Arcanorum
- Pronouns
- Fae/Faer/Faers/Faerself
@willyvereb Ask @Eukie
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
So quick question what size does a demonic invasion need to get to in order to warrant the attention of the big powers near me?
Spartakrod
Judeo-Spartacist Bolshevik-Kabbalist
- Location
- Sanctum Arcanorum
- Pronouns
- Fae/Faer/Faers/Faerself
Why should I help you metagame?
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Ahh good point, still I hope I can reach a suitable critical mass before I get focused on.