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The Empire of the Hand - A Star Wars Legends Quest

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Alexander Sturnn said:
Yeah, I think I'm done with this Quest.

Have fun, Guys. I'll go join some Rebel Quests that blow the Galactic Empire straight into hell where it belongs.

Sorry, this is nothing against the QM who has done an amazing Job, but this thread is starting to take a tone I really don't like, while repeating easily refutable Fanon and Apologetism for genocidal Space Nazis.

I'm just not comfortable to continue playing this. Sorry.
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I wouldn't give up hope in this quest. There's plenty of people here who don't agree with what's being said on the NR. It's just that most of the people here are probably either waiting for the next subvote or interlude before commenting again or are caught up in other quests. They also likely aren't as good at spotting Empire apologism as you are.

Also, you've said some really insightful stuff about the Empire and the NR here and it would suck if you left because you know a lot more about Legends than I do.
 
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I don't get that response at all thrawn is not going to have much of a good opinion of the Republic either so it's likely we are going to see the unending corruption that the Republic has and there other failures since he was raised in a much different culture and everything else???
 
Manowl said:
I don't get that response at all thrawn is not going to have much of a good opinion of the Republic either so it's likely we are going to see the unending corruption that the Republic has and there other failures since he was raised in a much different culture and everything else???
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You're also going to see the good parts of the Republic. Thrawn is pretty good at understanding the strengths of his enemies and giving them the credit he thinks they deserve even if he has his own biases towards authoritarianism.
 
Whataboutism is a valid political weapon especially when it's easily percieved as true and deflates enemy propaganda momentum.

Pointing out the stark contrast between Republic Ideals and practical reality of their policies in action will mire them with internal ideological challenges.
 
Negation said:
Whataboutism is a valid political weapon especially when it's easily percieved as true and deflates enemy propaganda momentum.

Pointing out the stark contrast between Republic Ideals and practical reality of their policies in action will mire them with internal ideological challenges.
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Okay, but this isn't really going to do anything when the NR has been having a huge streak of military victories since Endor and the central Imperial government is too busy being run by incompetent buffoons and maniacs to effectively respond to the rapidly decaying situation.
 
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Starblight said:
Okay, but this isn't really going to do anything when the NR has been having a huge streak of military victories since Endor and the central Imperial government is too busy being run by incompetent buffoons and maniacs to effectively respond to the rapidly decaying situation.
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The NR has Borsk Fey'lya. Borsk being the exact type of politician from the days of Finis Valorum's Chancellorship, will aim to kill funding for the New Republic military just as thay are on the cusp of absolute victory to pander to the anti-military Pacifist bloc beacuse "the Imperials are no longer a threat".
 
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Negation said:
The NR has Borsk Fey'lya. Borsk being the exact type of politician from the days of Finis Valorum's Chancellorship, will aim to kill funding for the New Republic military just as thay are on the cusp of absolute victory to pander to the anti-military Pacifist bloc beacuse "the Imperials are no longer a threat".
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But he isn't in charge of the NR right now, Mon Mothma is. And considering this quest's continued departure from canon!Legends, he may never become leader of the NR in the first place.
 
Starblight said:
But he isn't in charge of the NR right now, Mon Mothma is. And considering this quest's continued departure from canon!Legends, he may never become leader of the NR in the first place.
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In_Denial said:
Bold of you to challenge the Dice Gods in such a fasion.
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Also if he isn't in charge, we will simply start funding his political career. And if we don't know about him, we simply start funding the old Pacifist blocs within the NR. If they reach out to the Hutts, we desecrate the Fountain of the Ancients, kick start Freedom Flight and expose the perferdity of the NR reaching out to notorious slavers like the Hutts.
 
Well, that's going to take a great deal of funding over several years (if not decades), because the NR isn't going to just go back to pre-Clone Wars pacifism when they barely managed to strike a crippling blow against the Empire a literal year ago and have continued to win several victories with significant territorial gains. This kind of decay in the NR can only really occur in peacetime, which isn't going to happen considering the events coming in the next few years.

Also, on the topic of the Hutts, does Thrawn have a plan in regards to them? Do we intend to crush the Hutt Cartel once the Empire is ours and the NR is gone? Having a zero tolerance policy in regards to slavery and criminal empires seems like a nice way to distinguish our New Order from the previous one.
 
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Starblight said:
Well, that's going to take a great deal of funding over several years (if not decades), because the NR isn't going to just go back to pre-Clone Wars pacifism when they barely managed to strike a crippling blow against the Empire a literal year ago and have continued to win several victories with significant territorial gains. This kind of decay in the NR can only really occur in peacetime, which isn't going to happen considering the events coming in the next few years.

Also, on the topic of the Hutts, does Thrawn have a plan in regards to them? Do we intend to crush the Hutt Cartel once the Empire is ours and the NR is gone? Having a zero tolerance policy in regards to slavery and criminal empires seems like a nice way to distinguish our New Order from the previous one.
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What corruption can and does happen in wartime you know it can even be worser than peacetime.
 
Manowl said:
What corruption can and does happen in wartime you know it can even be worser than peacetime.
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Okay, but the kind of corruption that Negation is talking about would involve the NR going back to the dysfunction of the pre-Clone Wars era and the dismemberment of its own military, which I cannot believe they would be willing to do considering the fact that they're still fighting the Empire and there are plenty of people in the NR who are very keen on not repeating past mistakes.
 
Starblight said:
Okay, but the kind of corruption that Negation is talking about would involve the NR going back to the dysfunction of the pre-Clone Wars era and the dismemberment of its own military, which I cannot believe they would be willing to do considering the fact that they're still fighting the Empire and there are plenty of people in the NR who are very keen on not repeating past mistakes.
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Because that is exactly what they did in both TL. Except in Legends they have the excuse of going from crisis to crisis for their ultimate failure. And that was while they were still fighting the Imperials and the Warlords.
 
I just feel that we should at least try to deal with the NR in a way that doesn't rely on them being incompetent and/or corrupt. I feel that there are other more interesting ways of approaching this, considering that this was already (from what I've heard) a big problem with the Legends continuity.
 
As I recall because of our reforms Leia just gave us some kind of endorsement or some such.

Personally, I don't want to be antagonistic towards them at all. I'd rather have us be so damn good that we become a completely viable alternative to them so if they do run into political problems, corruption, or whatever joining us would just be the most logical thing to do if people wanted to split off.
 
bigking321 said:
As I recall because of our reforms Leia just gave us some kind of endorsement or some such.

Personally, I don't want to be antagonistic towards them at all. I'd rather have us be so damn good that we become a completely viable alternative to them so if they do run into political problems, corruption, or whatever joining us would just be the most logical thing to do if people wanted to split off.
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Yes I hope we don't have to fight them directly and if we do I hope we can keep it to a Cold war like one.
 
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We aren't ever going to fight them directly. We are in the same position of the Pentastar Alignment. We are on the opposite side of the Galaxy. The NR knows this and can't do anything about it. So unless we take out every warlord between us they are not going to fight us.
 
On the other hand if Palpy kickstarts Dark Empire from Byss, how are we going to play it?

I was thinking of dismissing his announcement as a "deepfake" operation initiated by "rebel scum" to gather all "True Imperials" into a trap and kill them all at once.
 
Adventwolf said:
We aren't ever going to fight them directly. We are in the same position of the Pentastar Alignment. We are on the opposite side of the Galaxy. The NR knows this and can't do anything about it. So unless we take out every warlord between us they are not going to fight us.
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Well, we're going to have to fight them directly eventually. The NR aren't just going to stand by while we unite what's left of the Empire under our banner. The only reason they were willing to tolerate Pellaeon's Imperial Remnant was because everybody knew the Empire's chances of regaining its former glory died with Palpatine.
Negation said:
On the other hand if Palpy kickstarts Dark Empire from Byss, how are we going to play it?

I was thinking of dismissing his announcement as a "deepfake" operation initiated by "rebel scum" to gather all "True Imperials" into a trap and kill them all at once.
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That's going to be a little hard when Palpy starts opening wormholes in space through the Force and doing some huge gamer moves with his World Devastators.
 
We just ignore it Palpatine will be busy fighting other more important powers. And if Kaine joins him again then when he dies we can move on the Pentastar Alignment to join us.
 
Adventwolf said:
We just ignore it Palpatine will be busy fighting other more important powers. And if Kaine joins him again then when he dies we can move on the Pentastar Alignment to join us.
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I'm not opposed to this plan, but isn't Palpatine going to be pissed at us for stealing his stuff and possibly taking away the facility that helped create his favorite mass murder toys? And there's also the whole "breaking away from the Tarkin Doctrine and doing things our way" thing which he's more than likely not going to let stand, considering it's a giant middle finger to his ego.
 
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Starblight said:
I'm not opposed to this plan, but isn't Palpatine going to be pissed at us for stealing his stuff and possibly taking away the facility that helped create his favorite mass murder toys? And there's also the whole "breaking away from the Tarkin Doctrine and doing things our way" thing which he's more than likely not going to let stand, considering it's a giant middle finger to his ego.
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Then we are just on his list of people I hate and will take care of sometime and it a very long list I imagine?
 
Starblight said:
I'm not opposed to this plan, but isn't Palpatine going to be pissed at us for stealing his stuff and possibly taking away the facility that helped create his favorite mass murder toys? And there's also the whole "breaking away from the Tarkin Doctrine and doing things our way" thing which he's more than likely not going to let stand, considering it's a giant middle finger to his ego.
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Look:-



If Palpy's leadership sucks, his leadership sucks.

The end does not justify the means. But our means are better and produces measurable results.

Him flailing around with a temper tantrum is not our problem.
 
Manowl said:
Then we are just on his list of people I hate and will take care of sometime and it a very long list I imagine?
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But here's the thing, we didn't steal some credits or a few starships. We went straight to his all of his hidden stashes where he hides all his important shit and took EVERYTHING. Someone like Palpatine isn't going to let that slide.
Negation said:
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If Palpy's leadership sucks, his leadership sucks.

The end does not justify the means. But our means are better and produces measurable results.

Him flailing around with a temper tantrum is not our problem.
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It kind of is our problem if he manages to get all of the Imperial factions on his side like in canon!Legends and he decides to use our territory as a testing ground for his World Devastators. I'm really not sure what this video was meant to prove or how it addresses my point that Palpy is more than likely going to invade us when he comes back.
 
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