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Well the empire was fielding some during the battle of endor, so we likely will be able to purchase of 'acquire' some without too much pain

I too interpret the imperial version as that designed by EC Henry, though unlike his version of events (canon) nebulons are far more numerous or still being produced in the old EU
It is more that we would create it as a successor to the old Nebulon B and Nebulon B2. One that fits our fleet better and is tougher. It would be our version of the Corona-class frigate the NR eventually makes.

We are fairly well stocked on designs for larger ships in the cruiser and above sizes what we need is new frigates/destroyers, light cruisers, and corvettes to provide proper support for the heavy capital ships instead of leaving them alone as the Empire did.
 
Is there a reason we wouldn't go with corvettes like Tantive IV or VSDs? Not being obtuse, I genuinely am unclear on that.
We have a number of Victory Star Destroyers, and I suspect a number of Corellian Corvettes. Both are older designs, though, so we might want more advanced models, or at least ones that aren't military surplus or antiques. The Corellian Corvette is a bit tough to source at the moment since the Dik'tat has closed off the Corellian System, and Corellian Engineering Corporation is supposed to stay neutral in the conflict. Most of the Rebellion's corvettes were old surplus, as I recall.
 
Is there a reason we wouldn't go with corvettes like Tantive IV or VSDs? Not being obtuse, I genuinely am unclear on that.
The CR-90 is decades olds by the start of the GCW already. The VSD is also a heavy cruiser/Battleship not an escort. It would serve as a flagship for combat fleets not support fleets. And if it is the VSD I then it is too slow to keep up with anything. We want our own designs because we are advancing and developing things that are built to our needs instead of trying to force old ships into roles they don't work in.
 
The CR-90 is decades olds by the start of the GCW already. The VSD is also a heavy cruiser/Battleship not an escort. It would serve as a flagship for combat fleets not support fleets. And if it is the VSD I then it is too slow to keep up with anything. We want our own designs because we are advancing and developing things that are built to our needs instead of trying to force old ships into roles they don't work in.
So what do you suggest that are ships should have like do you want one that is a escort that is not the best but very cheap and has a counterpart that is very expensive but very good at its job?
 
While we're on the topic of ships, does anyone else think it would be a worthwhile investment if we were to look into creating our own starship designs based on what the Mon Calamari is currently building for the NR?

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Mon Calamari Star Cruiser

Make no mistake, the Mon Calamari saved the galaxy. Their cruisers protected our fleet at the Battle of Endor, allowing the starfighters to penetrate the second Death Star's core. Without Admiral Ackbar and his people, we would all be the Emperor's slaves.Mon Mothma Mon Calamari Star Cruisers...
 
While we're on the topic of ships, does anyone else think it would be a worthwhile investment if we were to look into creating our own starship designs based on what the Mon Calamari is currently building for the NR?

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Mon Calamari Star Cruiser

Make no mistake, the Mon Calamari saved the galaxy. Their cruisers protected our fleet at the Battle of Endor, allowing the starfighters to penetrate the second Death Star's core. Without Admiral Ackbar and his people, we would all be the Emperor's slaves.Mon Mothma Mon Calamari Star Cruisers...
We are Imperials. Buying from the Mon Calamari will get us laughed out the door. Not to mention the NR are buying as many of those as they can to phase out Star Destroyers so as to look "less Imperial".

I suggest a heavy investment into buying Carracks, Tartans and Interdictors for a proper anti-starfighter doctrine.
 
We are Imperials. Buying from the Mon Calamari will get us laughed out the door. Not to mention the NR are buying as many of those as they can to phase out Star Destroyers so as to look "less Imperial".

I suggest a heavy investment into buying Carracks, Tartans and Interdictors for a proper anti-starfighter doctrine.
I never said to buy them, I said we should look into trying to make our own designs based on what the Mon Calamari have already produced. As the action clearly says:
Attempt To Remake Mon Calamari Vessels - For a species that has not had a history of military-grade starship design, the Mon Calamari have produced a truly wondrous series of spacefaring vessels, known most for their powerful redundant deflector shield systems. With the right motivation, it should be possible to develop a similarly effective model of starship for the Empire of the Hand. Cost: 200. Time: 1 turn. Reward: Progress towards using Mon Calamari designs for your fleet.
 
I never said to buy them, I said we should look into trying to make our own designs based on what the Mon Calamari have already produced. As the action clearly says:
It is just the shields that are good. And that is because they are a bunch of redundant generators installed all over the place. We could but it isn't that hard to do so we are better off working on other things. Specifically the stuff to improve the economy or military with incremental upgrades.
 
The main things going for Mon Cal is they are experienced at building capital sized ships and that they are good at getting a bunch of redundant shield generators to work together(which is likely harder than it looks.)

This is aftually a very nice thing to have going for you, because capital sized shipyards are a rare commodity.

It also means however you tend to be booked for a long time. Between all the warships the NR wants, they will be rolling in the money.
 
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The main things going for Mon Cal is they are experienced at building capital sized ships and that they are good at getting a bunch of redundant shield generators to work together(which is likely harder than it looks.)

This is aftually a very nice thing to have going for you, because capital sized shipyards are a rare commodity.

It also means however you tend to be booked for a long time. Between all the warships the NR wants, they will be rolling in the money.
We aren't buying anything from them. Like was already said the action is to research the stuff they do which is just shields and heavy structural reinforcement because the "ships" were designed to work underwater where the pressure would destroy anything not built to withstand it. And it isn't that hard to do which is why it isn't a major requirement when we have other actions we need to take. Mostly in either the economy or military improvements which our learning advisor told us we should be doing.

And Capital ship sized shipyards are not rare. What is rare is mega shipyards like Kuat, Fondor, and others like that. A Capital sized shipyard has a bunch of different models available all over the galaxy to buy and build. We just aren't going to be getting anything on par with the major shipwright facility without major investments of time and money.
 
If it makes anybody feel better, I've been working on an omake myself about our dear friend Zaarin for the past couple of days. Think of it as a nice little prelude to the Zaarin subvote if I manage to finish it on time.
 
tbh I dont get why we dont just teach everyone some light side and some dark side techniques, instead of separating them into units that rival each other. Either that or keep the dorms and such integrated but just have separate classes, either one would solve the issue

Or we could treat it like college majors, where we teach some basic light side and dark side stuff and then they pick a path to follow (and maybe in the future we could add more options when we learn enough about other force techniques)

Honestly, personally I dont really think the L/D split is a real thing, so much as just different ways of using the same fundamental energy, this can be seen with how there are truly no "dark side" or "light side" exclusive powers, with all being able to be used in alternate forms by the other group (see Windu's force lightning for example), and the whole idea of a fundamental split being silly. But either way there's no reason we cant have a major system as opposed to a full split, which seems to only lead to rivalry and chaos. We can create an actual new order, instead of just replicating the Jedi and Sith cults in miniature form and telling them to work together.
 
The Woes of Zaarin
The Woes of Zaarin
Unfair.

That was the main thought that traversed the former Grand Admiral's mind as he sat in his cell. Once one of the twelve elite Grand Admirals of the Imperial military, a man who had revolutionized Imperial starfighter design and had the ear of the Emperor and Lord Vader themselves, reduced to a mere prisoner in the hands of his greatest enemy. Instead of the grand quarters a man of his stature deserved, he now had a mere prison cell, and the beautiful uniform that he had earned replaced with the rags given to the rabble in the Empire's prisons.

The sheer indignity of it all was enough to drive him mad. He was no pirate or thug, he was Demetrius Zaarin! While Batch was flailing around trying to perfect his cloaking technology, he had successfully created not one, but two magnificent Tie designs that far surpassed that of the regular Tie Fighter! He was crushing Rebel footholds while fools like Ozzel couldn't even perform a hyperspace manuever correctly! He was the man who had seen the folly of Palpatine long before that alien or any of these other traitors, and he had sought to do something about it! While lesser men like Harkov were courting favor among the Rebels, he was hard at work finding the allies necessary to save the Empire from that deluded fanatic! But despite his efforts, the Empire had actively resisted his plan to save it, and doomed itself to destruction on Endor.

Of course, it wasn't meant to be this way. If all had gone the way they were meant to, he would be ruling over the galaxy from his throne, having rid the galaxy of Palpatine, crushed the Rebellion, and the Empire would be at the dawn of an age of unparalleled greatness. Of course, circumstances had conspired to rob the galaxy of this future. If that Lyn fool hadn't convinced him into abducting the Emperor instead of killing him, the battle and the Empire would've been his. She further showed her true colors when she abandoned him and his men following his loss to the alien. That's what he gets for relying on another follower of that ancient religion.

Not all had been lost. Despite the setback at Imperial Center, his forces had still proved to be a significant threat to the Emperor. He destroyed many of the Empire's facilities constructing his perfect designs, which allowed him to maintain a technological advantage over his enemies. Sadly, that advantage dried up quickly as Thrawn continued to crush him at every turn. It got to a point where he was forced to abandon his beloved flagship and flee with what forces he had left into the Unknown Regions. He at least managed to gain some satisfaction from punishing Raveen for his failure in protecting the Glory, even if doing so left him with one less capable officer.

His time in the Unknown Regions had proved to be the absolute worst of Zaarin's life. As a result of being cut off from the necessary supplies in Imperial territory, his fleet was reduced to raiding the few colonies he could find, intercepting any and all trade vessels, and seizing whatever assets he could attain from any unfortunate Imperial patrols. He loathed doing this, as he was a proud Imperial Admiral, not some disgusting pirate on the Hutts' payroll. But his command codes were of no use when he was so far from Imperial space, and he couldn't risk his men starting a mutiny should they run out of supplies. If he didn't have the Tie Phantoms, that likely would've happened.

Of course, because the galaxy loved tormenting him, Thrawn somehow managed to find the location of his fleet and resumed his hunt for him. Not even the death of the Emperor was enough to deter his pursuit. He at least sent a capable admiral, instead of some insignificant underling. It was a shame Voss Parck had fallen in league with the alien, he could've used someone of his talents at Imperial Center.

Memories of the battle continued to sour his already terrible mood. If his feckless subordinates hadn't convinced him to take a more cautious approach and hunker down at To-phalion Base, he could've managed a victory and hit Thrawn where it hurt. Instead, he capitulated to their idiocy and gave the alien enough time to arrive with reinforcements.

By that point, he knew the battle was lost. While he was loathe to admit it, the alien had proven time and time again to be a superior commander, the sad state of his forces being a glaring reminder of that. He hoped that he could manage to cause Thrawn to lose enough of his forces to force a withdrawal, or at the very least eliminate enough of the enemy fleet before they overwhelmed him. If he had to die, he'd prefer to die in battle, like any brave Imperial should. Unfortunately, he once again underestimated the cruelty of the galaxy.

He remembered feeling a slight twinge of hope when he saw that one IS2 charge at his fleet alone, clearly defying their ruler. It made him happy knowing that there were still true Imperials among the alien's band of fools, and it almost saddened him when the Phantoms made short work of it. It all subsequently went downhill when his fleet was suddenly enveloped in an interdiction field and he witnessed numerous enemy transports boarding the Golans and a few of the IS2s of his fleet, including his own.

He remembered the panic that enveloped the bridge, and his frantic commands to secure the hangar bay as quickly as possible. All he could do was watch on his security feeds as his men were easily slaughtered by group of five mere stormtroopers and some Nautolan who he assumed was a bounty hunter. He was quite intrigued with the weapon she possessed, as he had seen her use it to kill an entire stormtrooper squad in a matter of seconds. It was like a fire devouring paper. He wasn't able to admire the weapon for long, as before he knew it, they had breached the bridge. Zaarin had attempted to defend himself, but one of the stormtroopers easily subdued him with a stun beam, and he found himself awakening in the brig of his own Star Destroyer.

From there, he had been brought to Thrawn's pathetic excuse of a capital world, stripped of his uniform, and tossed into what had been his home for the previous few months. As if to add further insult to this demeaning situation, the Chiss had seemingly decided to ignore him, as though he hadn't gone to all the effort of stealing his fleet from him and reducing him to this. It didn't help that his demands for an audience with Thrawn were constantly ignored, often times met with mocking laughter from the guards. He wasn't even visited by this Echani woman who was dead set on overturning 20 years of Imperial military doctrine! He wouldn't have minded a visit, if only to get the chance to spit in her eye for trying to destroy such a foundational part of the Empire.

But it appeared that he would never get that chance, as he had no doubt of his ultimate fate. The alien may be taking his time, but Zaarin had no doubt that he would soon find himself at the end of an Imperial firing squad. He would be forever remembered as nothing more than a traitor, and his name would undoubtedly be spat on by those who still called themselves Imperials. It mattered not the true reasons for his actions nor how the galaxy could've benefited from them had things gone right. He had lost, and his failures would be all that the galaxy remembered him for. To that, the former Grand Admiral only had one word.

Unfair.

Author's Note
It took me a couple weeks, but I finally managed to finish this omake. I really hope that you folks like my first ever omake for a quest, and I want to give a big thank you to @TirelessTraveler for being willing to look this over before I posted it and fixing a few grammatical mistakes that I missed.
 
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It wasn't exactly my intention for Zaarin to be seen as sympathetic, but I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
Thing is that he like Thrawn is one of the few Imperial High Commanders that you can understand and even agree with. Maybe not on everything but he can be used well enough. I would rather not just kill him if it can be helped. He can be a valuable asset so long as we have proper surveillance on him to make sure he doesn't screw things up. Just in starfighter development and tactics he would be a godsend given better resources.
 
Thing is that he like Thrawn is one of the few Imperial High Commanders that you can understand and even agree with. Maybe not on everything but he can be used well enough. I would rather not just kill him if it can be helped. He can be a valuable asset so long as we have proper surveillance on him to make sure he doesn't screw things up. Just in starfighter development and tactics he would be a godsend given better resources.
I was thinking of having him take over from Natasi Daala and look over all the stupid superweapon projects.

Having both Zaarin and Thrawn tear into the garbage that is the "Tarkin Doctrine" to Daala's face would be hilarious since IIRC she was Tarkin's lover.
 
Thing is that he like Thrawn is one of the few Imperial High Commanders that you can understand and even agree with. Maybe not on everything but he can be used well enough. I would rather not just kill him if it can be helped. He can be a valuable asset so long as we have proper surveillance on him to make sure he doesn't screw things up. Just in starfighter development and tactics he would be a godsend given better resources.
I was thinking of having him take over from Natasi Daala and look over all the stupid superweapon projects.

Having both Zaarin and Thrawn tear into the garbage that is the "Tarkin Doctrine" to Daala's face would be hilarious since IIRC she was Tarkin's lover.
But aside from making better Tie designs, what exactly differentiates Zaarin from any regular Imperial officer who believed in the Tarkin Doctrine? Sure, he tried to overthrow Palpatine, but (according to Wookieepedia) that was out of a desire for more power, not because of any real objections to how he ran the Empire. And I haven't found anything that says he had a problem with shit like the Empire's obsession with mass-murdering superweapons or the anti-alien racism. With what info I can get on him, it doesn't appear like he had any problem with the stuff the Empire was doing except for the fact that he wasn't the one in charge of it all.

Edit: Also, a quick look at the cutscenes from Tie Fighter show that he also had the same dumb disdainful view of the Force as many of his peers. Here's the exact quote from the game:
We will continue our destruction of the Emperor's military industrial centers. Soon he will have nothing but his pitiful Force to rely on.
This quote is extra rich when you take into account what Palpatine was capable of with that "pitiful Force" of his.
 
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To be fair, force users are alteady less than 1% of 1% of the galactic population. Powerful ones are an extreme minority of an extreme minority. Ones that go dark side and survive ling enough to learn how to do that tend to be even rarer.

Palpatine likely was one of the only dark siders since Vitiate to have the power to do that.
 
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