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The Empire of the Hand - A Star Wars Legends Quest

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Lokabrenna said:
This is literally, almost word-for-word, the rationale for the Ruusan Reformations.
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Heh. That's pretty amusing. I don't know anything about the ruusan reformations so that's purely a coincidence.

It's just common sense when you get to numbers that large. You simply can't have a central authority manage that much without major, major problems.
 
bigking321 said:
It's just common sense when you get to numbers that large. You simply can't have a central authority manage that much without major, major problems.
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Well, you can, with fast enough communications and travel tech, plus an extreme focus on efficiency and strong institutions to combat corruption. It's monumentally difficult, but it can be done. The Star Wars universe is actually better equipped for that kind of centralized authority than most Sci-fi franchises are, but they'd need to do some drastic restructuring to avoid the pitfalls the Empire fell into.
 
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sun tzu said:
It's worth remembering that canonically, the Old Republic lasted for thousands of years.
From the perspective of History? That's bloody amazing. How many regimes, how many nations, can claim to have lasted for so long?
The days of Chancellor Valorum are further away from the time of Revan than President Biden is from most the formation of ancient Greece. That's incredible.
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The Republic fell and was remade a lot of times over that time. The Russan Reformation Republic is actually one of the most successful and longest lasting ones. It still would have fallen even without the Sith speeding it up in the last 200 years of its time but until that last part it would be good.
 
Note, during the X-Wing Novel series the New Republic was relatively competent even as they were dealing with Isaard sending in brain-washed agents of different alien species to create racial tension and attempt to destroy Higher Level trust in lower officers. Let alone the unleashing of viruses that impacted only aliens.

Heck, even Post-Reborn Emperor they're depicted as relatively competent as they handle the coordinated rebuilding of all the damage he did - especially on Coruscant.
 
Altered said:
Note, during the X-Wing Novel series the New Republic was relatively competent even as they were dealing with Isaard sending in brain-washed agents of different alien species to create racial tension and attempt to destroy Higher Level trust in lower officers. Let alone the unleashing of viruses that impacted only aliens.

Heck, even Post-Reborn Emperor they're depicted as relatively competent as they handle the coordinated rebuilding of all the damage he did - especially on Coruscant.
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Competence and corruption are not necessarily mutually incompatible. In the real world, the American political system - and the political systems of a number of individual U.S. states - is almost hilariously corrupt by the standards of the developed world, but that hasn't inhibited the combat effectiveness of the U.S. military to any noticeable degree, nor has it reportedly detracted from the U.S. intelligence community's competence.

As for rebuilding Coruscant, that seems like something the planetary civil authorities would be handling, not the central galactic government (since Coruscant is a sovereign world that happens to be a member state which hosts the galactic government, not a mere extension of the New Republic government), so in all reality you're likely giving credit where it's not due.
 
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bigking321 said:
Eh...

I'm not sure but I think our economy is still in trouble.

It just moved over to a extreme labor shortage.
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never said it wasn't just that the government was making money instead of losing it now witch helps we still need to do stuff to fix our economy but we will not go broke doing it as we just need to pay what we are doing and debts off not worrying about not being able to do stuff cuz the banks said they will not give us money. More or less fixing a large problem of our empire the banks trying to force us into an agreement cuz of a large debt or cutting us of and screwing us over.
 
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The New Republic early on suffered from Old Republic romanticism, so they carried over problems from the old days unnecessarily at first. However that isn't to say that that New Republic on the whole was bad, it actually became quite good after a few hiccups during the first three or so decades. Doesn't mean we can't still do better than them though.
 
Nicholas Brooks said:
However that isn't to say that that New Republic on the whole was bad
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Oh, absolutely.

They definitely tried their best to uphold some very good ideals and were a massive step up from the empire and the latter part of the old republic.

They just ran into problems with inefficiency and corruption, usually just a few bad apples like Borsk Fey'lya.
 
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Lokabrenna said:
Well, if we're ever in a position where it's a realistic option, we simply offer him vassalage. Let him keep his territory and the prosperous little kingdom he's built for himself as a semi-autonomous Allied Region, but ensure that he ultimately pays his taxes to us, and that he does what we tell him to do when it comes to military operations. Make it clear that he's not getting a better offer, and that the alternative if he refuses is a full conquest where we do our level best to tear down everything he built and remake it in our own image after he's gone.

He already doesn't want Thrawn as an enemy now. Imagine how much more leery he'll be about the prospect of fighting us when we're the ones who clearly outclass the Alignment. But in any case, that's a problem for the not-so-near future, since we aren't in anywhere near a position to dictate terms like that yet. For now, cut trade deals, build ties, and just generally cooperate with the guy. Knowing Kaine, it's extremely unlikely that he'd be the one to initiate hostilities, so as long as we're making the right noises and not trying to pick a fight, he'll be a good neighbor.
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That's a possibility I won't lie but again I find it unlikely that Kaine will even accept vassalage or whatnot he just does not seem like the type of guy to let anyone be above him now that he is ruling on his own. I think he would much prefer to fight and have a chance of winning(no matter how slim) over submitting and never getting to rule again.

But for now as you said all we need to do is make sure he doesn't decide to attack us which with our Intelligence network in his nation should give us more then enough information if he ever decides to do that.

Edit Also apparently I wasn't notified when someone replied to my comment so I only noticed it now.
 
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bigking321 said:
Fair. I had forgotten that part.

...how is our guy in charge of Imperial Intelligence now? What happened to Isard?
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I'm wondering the same thing. Sate Pestage should be in charge right now, or rather should have just been killed according to the OTL. Maybe that didn't happen here?

Also, with Sole in charge of the ISB, does that mean we now know about the Lusankya project and the Krytos virus, and Derricote's other projects?
 
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TirelessTraveler said:
Also, with Sole in charge of the ISB, does that mean we now know about the Lusankya project and the Krytos virus, and Derricote's other projects
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We've got level 5 penetration on the empire. The only things we don't know are the things kept under such tight wraps that Imperial Intelligence wouldn't know it. I'm thinking Palpatine's more personal projects and Sith stuff. Maybe things various moffs kept secret for themselves

I can't imagine we wouldn't know about most research and mega projects.

Like, the death star plans? We can have those sent right over.
 
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TirelessTraveler said:
I'm wondering the same thing. Sate Pestage should be in charge right now, or rather should have just been killed according to the OTL. Maybe that didn't happen here?

Also, with Sole in charge of the ISB, does that mean we now know about the Lusankya project and the Krytos virus, and Derricote's other projects?
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We know everything that the Empire is doing. Including at least some rumors of Byss and the Deep Core.
 
The Death Star plans can go hang (Thrawn despised that superweapon for a reason), but I imagine there's a number of less stupid projects that would be quite handy...
 
bigking321 said:
It just moved over to a extreme labor shortage.
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That's what Chiss refugees and droid factories are for. Hopefully we can get the former integrated and the latter up and running before we hit the crisis point on that issue.

ConfusedCanuck said:
Edit Also apparently I wasn't notified when someone replied to my comment so I only noticed it now.
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That comment was hidden until it could be approved by a mod. Not sure why. I originally had stronger wording about what we would threaten Kaine with (though nothing that should have raised any flags) and a link to the Wookieepedia article on Allied Regions. I edited both out, hoping that that would unlock the post, but it didn't work. *Shrug* It's a little late, but at at least it's visible now.
 
sun tzu said:
The Death Star plans can go hang (Thrawn despised that superweapon for a reason), but I imagine there's a number of less stupid projects that would be quite handy...
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Imperial Scientists: "So we created these awesome Machines that can mine Resources from a Planet very quickly and build new Warmachines out of them. With that, we can solve a lot of Supply-Issues and-"

Palpatine: "So bigger Versions of them can strip Worlds of all their resources and completely destroy them within a few Hours?"

Imperial Scientists: "...W-well, technically yeah, but that would be pretty wasteful-"

Palpatine: "Build these bigger Versions and test them on some random inhabited Worlds."

Imperial Scientists: "B-but-"

Palpatine: "DID I FUCKING STUTTER?!?"

Sometimes, the Problem really is just how the higher-ups decide to use things...
 
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Lokabrenna said:
That comment was hidden until it could be approved by a mod. Not sure why. I originally had stronger wording about what we would threaten Kaine with (though nothing that should have raised any flags) and a link to the Wookieepedia article on Allied Regions. I edited both out, hoping that that would unlock the post, but it didn't work. *Shrug* It's a little late, but at at least it's visible now.
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That explains why then well good to know at least it wasn't an issue on my end.
 
sun tzu said:
The Death Star plans can go hang (Thrawn despised that superweapon for a reason), but I imagine there's a number of less stupid projects that would be quite handy...
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I've always liked the idea from the X wing series of a much smaller death star called a pulsar station.

It would fly into a system, use it's gravity well generators to stop all hyperspace travel, use it's dozen or so scaled down death star lasers to blast whatever capital ships, and the rest of it would be hanger space to deal with smaller threats.

Of course the plans were a false flag but the idea is sound. A fleet killer type thing.
 
Lokabrenna said:
That's what Chiss refugees and droid factories are for. Hopefully we can get the former integrated and the latter up and running before we hit the crisis point on that issue.
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Yep. On the bright side though it means that we're not having a horribly poor class of menial laborers because there's such a huge demand for their work that they can name their price. It's why I'd rather avoid a clone labor force, it feels like it would lead to a lot of long term problems, even setting ethics and morals aside.
 
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