What are the end goal(s) of this quest?

  • Retake the Iron Throne.

    Votes: 36 14.0%
  • Destroy the White Walkers.

    Votes: 44 17.1%
  • Rebuild fallen Valyria.

    Votes: 43 16.7%
  • Create a new empire, forget the past and forge your own destiny.

    Votes: 74 28.7%
  • Survive. Who needs a crown?

    Votes: 24 9.3%
  • Utter domination. You are the Dragon and will not rest until you rule over all!

    Votes: 29 11.2%
  • Become the wisest of the wise. A true Loremaster. Learn the magics of old and converse with Gods.

    Votes: 40 15.5%
  • Forbidden Power - Why speak with the Gods when you can BECOME one of them?

    Votes: 64 24.8%
  • Immortality - The problem with Aegon the Conqueror is that he died. You will not.

    Votes: 79 30.6%

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At this time I am using a counter system, listing the number of days votes take to be put into action. However for write-in votes you don't know how many days an action may take. For this we will use the old system of Major/Minor Decisions, and I will tell you how many days/weeks/months the plan will take. Remember that every month has 28 days, and that there are 13 months in the year with New Years as a special day alone outside the months. There is no leap year, as their calendar is not accurate to that degree.

Major decisions are any new endeavors. Finding new investments. Finding new allies (specify what type, where you're looking if possible, what you want from them, etc) finding new trainers, starting new training even if it is with people you already know... Anything new.

No mixing something that would qualify as a minor decision or free action into your major votes! If you have a question about your votes, ask me.

Talking with specific people about specific subjects. You can generally only talk with one person at a time with this. There are simple logical exceptions, Husband & Wife combos can be put together as one conversation, brother & sister, stuff like that. I'll clarify if a combo is unacceptable when I see the vote. This is also for continuing any long term action. Any major decision that you have already voted to start (not just mused about in-story) can be a minor action the next time around. Continuing training that you have already begun for example. Continuing a long-term investigation or plot. Stuff like this.

Making small talk with characters. You will not learn anything special really, but it gives you more insight into their backgrounds and history, can raise/lower their loyalty or other relationship points with you, etc. Raising/lowering and how much depends on rolls.

These can interrupt any current action(s) and will take precedence over the current plan. A way to change things on the fly as you discover new information or alternate ways to potentially enhance your plan, or change it completely if needed.

Remember for all votes if you take a guard or other individual with you, you will need to write-in which guard/person you take with you (just saying take a guard or ally will leave the decision of which one up to me) and also whether Daenerys tries to use any future knowledge on the decision as well if it is one of hers or she is present. (She still may decide to try and use her future knowledge without your consent if she thinks it necessary.) These details are sub-votes.

[] [Plan] X (Current Month, Short Term, Long Term, Immediate Actions, Purchases, etc.)
-[] Major Decisions: Character name here
--[] Major Decision 1
---[] Sub-conditions of Major Decision 1
---[] Sub-conditions of Major Decision 1
--[] Major Decision 2
---[] Sub-conditions of Major Decision 2
---[] Sub-conditions of Major Decision 2
-[] Minor Decisions: Character name here
--[] Minor Decision 1
---[] Sub-conditions of Minor Decision 1
---[] Sub-conditions of Minor Decision 1
--[] Minor Decision 2
-[] Free Actions: Character name here
--[] Free Action 1
---[] Sub-conditions
--[] Free Action 2
---[] Sub-conditions

You get the jist of this.

However, under the plan vote, you will then put a "Priority" Vote.

[] Aegon Priority: 1. Major Decision 1, 2. Free Action 2, 3. Minor Decision 1, 4. Major Decision 2, etc.
[] Daenerys Priority: 1. Free Action 2, 2. Major Decision 3, 3. Minor Decision 1, etc.

This way we can vote on the general plan, then I can separate the order of events in said plan.

Don't put V1, V2, or any other such revision information into your plan. Just leave it like I have it. Nothing extra. The tally system will update to your newest post. No need to make version markers. It just makes things harder for me.

If an action in a plan is not one for a specific character, more a general idea of what needs to be done, it will still need to go into the priority matrix.

At the end of all your votes, put your reasons explaining your vote choice. As I've said before, a plan with reasons will get more weight than one without. Because reasons matter. I care about reasons more than numbers. I need reasons to help build the characters. Get used to putting reasons into your plans, as eventually reasons will become a requirement rather than a suggestion. This post will change when that occurs.

[] [Plan] X

You may (but are not required to) put additional reasons to agree with that plan beneath your vote if there are reasons for it that the original vote creator didn't put in that you thought of. The more/better the reasoning inside explaining a vote, the greater the chance it will be added into the story.

Votes are typically closed after either 12 or 24 hours unless real life interferes. Ties will be either decided by me, or by whoever is in the forum or the Discord that has not voted already at the time. I will @ whoever is currently in the forum or Discord that I choose to be the tiebreaker.

Plans have specific timelines. Immediate Actions are obviously immediate. Current Month is similarly self-explanatory. Short Term is something that can conceivably be done within 1-3 months, and Long Term is 3-6 months.
 
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So, I rolled for the divine intervention. I got a fucking nat 100.

Yeah. None of the 20s were needed, thus none were used. You all keep them.

However, @Taylor Mcfee rolled a 2 for what the gods did when they intervened. So they answered, but the gods of Valyria are weak here in R'hllor's lands. So while they answered to keep you alive, they had to use... unsavory tools to do so. OOC you all know that Jorah is a spy. You also know that he is pretty much destined to fall in love with Daenerys, your intended wife. IC you don't. Welcome to backhanded miracles.
So, is there no conceivable way to divert Jorah's attention somewhere else? Or is that literally a pre-ordained sorta thing?
 
Jorah Mormont?!

Well that's a shitty deal for pledging your life to service...

Is it too late to have Aegon ursurp the gods? (I think coming from a certain DnD quest my view of divine deals are a lil scewered.)

Edit: Actually, I know, now that the guild business fell through. What if we have our knight form a mercenary company faar faaar away from Daenerys? :sour:

Editedit: Andalos is just north of Braavos right?

Editeditedit: If we pardon Jorah after retaking Westeros. Could we use him for matchmaking right now perhaps, he is heir afterall. No lord paramount but still, quite the fief, and a Braavosi would see the ice and lumber as grrat export wares.
 
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Jorah Mormont?!

Well that's a shitty deal for pledging your life to service...

Is it too late to have Aegon ursurp the gods? (I think coming from a certain DnD quest my view of divine deals are a lil scewered.)

Edit: Actually, I know, now that the guild business fell through. What if we have our knight form a mercenary company faar faaar away from Daenerys? :sour:

Editedit: Andalos is just north of Braavos right?

Editeditedit: If we pardon Jorah after retaking Westeros. Could we use him for matchmaking right now perhaps, he is heir afterall. No lord paramount but still, quite the fief, and a Braavosi would see the ice and lumber as grrat export wares.
We should try to keep Jorah as away as possible. While keeping a close eye on him. Don't trust him about anything. No eggs, no birthmother. No gods nothing. If possible tell him about our plan to become a sucefull merchant with no ideas of warring against westeros.
 
Editedit: Andalos is just north of Braavos right?
Braavos is at the northwestern tip of Essos. To the north lies the Shivering Sea.

And we don't need to get rid of Jorah. Even if he falls in love with Dany, it'll likely just make him more protective of her. Jorah trying to come between us when Dany loves us is incredibly unlikely. He'll probably give his life to save us just to make Dany happy.

Bigger problem is he'll tell Varys about us. So Illyrio now knows where we are.

[X] Go to the temple with the faithful.
- [X] Bring Dany as well.
- [X] Bring Matalarr as a guard, but not into the temple
 
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And we don't need to get rid of Jorah. Even if he falls in love with Dany, it'll likely just make him more protective of her. Jorah trying to come between us when Dany loves us is incredibly unlikely. He'll probably give his life to save us just to make Dany happy.

I keep saying... don't assume. I don't even know what Jorah will do. You're using book/show knowledge again.

Remember, the situation when Jorah fell in love with her originally was different than how it will be if he falls in love with her again here.

He didn't love her at first. Then, once she was free of Drogo, he slowly fell in love with her. He had hope of having her, then got rivals, but that hope kept getting rekindled. He was able to think, "this guy won't last". Which is what dictated his actions. Jorah seems to me to be the stereotypical "nice guy" who assumes that "eventually" Daenerys will see how much he has done for her and she'll finally open her eyes and choose him. Yeah. Okay.

How different will it be if he falls in love with her and has no hope of being with her at all? If she's already betrothed to another man who is already good to her and for her, and is a better match for her than him, by merit of blood, of House, of well... everything? How will that one thread change the entire pattern of his thoughts, feelings, and actions? All her other matches were savages, foreigners, etc. People who didn't have a stake in Westeros, which he knew was her true dream. This? Her stake is in you not Westeros. Which changes everything.

I'm not going to keep warning you guys to not use your knowledge to assume the future. That he'll fall for her is weighted. How he'll act because of that love? Again, even I don't know. Next time you all assume the future, I'm not even going to warn you. As always, it'll be up to the die. I'm just going to let you assume. You might luck out, you might walk right off a cliff. (Figuratively speaking, of course.)

This entire quest is an exercise of Chaos Theory. You don't know what anyone will do. Are people likely to be attracted to the same people? Sure. Attraction is pretty stable, which is why people have types. Does that mean they'll do the same things? Not at all.

Again, if he falls for her of course. Because while that is weighted, it isn't certain. Mostly because we will view people who aren't available differently. Sometimes if a person isn't single, we subconsciously put them into a mental grouping where we just don't think of them that way. Maybe Jorah will do that, and only fell for her because she wasn't married. Maybe.
 
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Yeah, I know. Hence me using the words likely, probably, unlikely in every sentence. I've had enough conversations with you to learn that by now. What he does may depend on rolls, but who he is doesn't change. He is weighted to be loyal just as he is weighted to be in love with Dany. So, him coming in between us is just as likely as him not being in love with Dany at all.

Also, I call bullshit on him thinking "This guy won't last". Even though they didn't last, he didn't know about it beforehand. For all he knew, any if those guys would last forever, yet he kept being loyal. Hell, he doesn't know we're going to last either. For all he knows, we might end up dying soon.

BTW, he doesn't know yet that we're engaged, right? So it shouldn't be a problem until then anyway.
 
Yeah, I know. Hence me using the words likely, probably, unlikely in every sentence. I've had enough conversations with you to learn that by now. What he does may depend on rolls, but who he is doesn't change. He is weighted to be loyal just as he is weighted to be in love with Dany. So, him coming in between us is just as likely as him not being in love with Dany at all.

Also, I call bullshit on him thinking "This guy won't last". Even though they didn't last, he didn't know about it beforehand. For all he knew, any if those guys would last forever, yet he kept being loyal. Hell, he doesn't know we're going to last either. For all he knows, we might end up dying soon.

BTW, he doesn't know yet that we're engaged, right? So it shouldn't be a problem until then anyway.

No, he didn't know ahead of time, but he'd hope that. All nice guys do. Daario? Anyone could tell that wouldn't last. Xairo I think he was more worried. Marriage proposals? Whew. Probably freaked him right out.

As for his loyalty, well... his love is what made him loyal in the first place, which is why he only stopped spying on her later. Cause and effect there. So how his love turns out, alters how his loyalty turns out. So while he is weighted towards love, what type of love happens (if any) determines what type of loyalty he has, if any. Remember, he had no loyalty to her before he fell in love. So no, he's not weighted towards loyalty.

That can change if you have a good enough argument for it, but considering his actions before falling in love with her, I doubt one is forthcoming. Because before falling in love with her, his actions seem to indicate that she was just a tool to get home again.

Becoming loyal after falling in love with her, isn't loyalty. It's self-interest. He just wanted her more than he wanted home, and if she won, he could have both.
 
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@NúmenoreanNazgûl Let me explain how I weigh people.

Ned, would be weighted towards loyalty. Because loyalty is honorable, and that defines Ned above all. So, even if Ned makes different vows, he will try to keep those vows to the best of his ability, because honor is the core of his actions.

Jorah, is weighted towards self-interest. Because he is willing to do dishonorable things if it means he gets what he wants. Honorable people don't make good spies.

Jeoffrey is weighted towards cruelty. Not because he did cruel things, but because he did them when unnecessary. So while he's not weighted towards demanding a Direwolf be beheaded, or towards torturing the knight he made a fool, or towards being a dick to Tyrion he will if the opportunity to be cruel to them shows up.

To put Jorah in Jeoffrey terms, Self-interest is Jorah as Cruelty is Jeoffrey. The action of not spying on Dany anymore because he wants her to be his wife at that point, and spying on your prospective wife is counter-productive, is done out of self-interest, just as Jeoffrey's action of being a dick to Tyrion is done out of Jeoffrey's cruelty.

Actions aren't weighted. The reasons behind those actions are. That's the thing most stories that try to do things like this miss. They focus too much on what people did instead of why they did it, which then makes the story follow a rigid forced path that is unnatural when the changes are taken into consideration.

How many times have people in fanfiction done the same exact action that they did in canon, even after it makes no damn sense because their current character is completely different? That happens because authors focus on actions instead of the core reasons behind them. I'm not weighing Jorah, or anyone else on their actions but on their reasons. If the reasons haven't changed, then the actions are likely to be the same. But if rolls change the situation so that the reasons might be different, than the actions are different.
 
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Why would Jorah be loyal to Dany from the beginning? He fought against the Targs. But when he fell in love with her, he became unflinchingly loyal. Doing what is in her best interests, rather than what would suit him best. Otherwise he would have tried to get rid of her suitors, and get in with her himself. That would be in his self interest. But instead, he does what would make her happy.

I don't expect him to be loyal from the start. In fact I'm fairly certain he doesn't care a whit about us and is just spying on us for Varys. But if he falls in love, I don't think it's unreasonable for it to be weighted towards being a selfless kind like in canon.
 
Why would Jorah be loyal to Dany from the beginning? He fought against the Targs. But when he fell in love with her, he became unflinchingly loyal. Doing what is in her best interests, rather than what would suit him best. Otherwise he would have tried to get rid of her suitors, and get in with her himself. That would be in his self interest. But instead, he does what would make her happy.

I don't expect him to be loyal from the start. In fact I'm fairly certain he doesn't care a whit about us and is just spying on us for Varys. But if he falls in love, I don't think it's unreasonable for it to be weighted towards being a selfless kind like in canon.

Trying to get rid of her suitors would be in his interest, if he thought she wouldn't notice. Which is why when he does try, it is in subtle ways. Like when he counsels her against them. "Don't trust Darrio" he says, he gives good logical reasons yes, Daario betrayed his fellow captains. However he avoids the point of "he betrayed them for you" which is a good point. Why? Because he wants Darrio gone from her mind as a person she can trust. He doesn't care if Darrio is there as a soldier, as long as Dany isn't considering sleeping with him. He failed is all.

Don't mistake his inability to get rid of them with his not trying.

If you watch, it's typical "nice guy" behavior. He tries to poison her against them rather than act directly. It comes off as desperate and pathetic. Dany would like him more if he straight up challenged them for her, but he can't see that. He's that nerd friend whispering in her ear about her jock boyfriend, then wondering why she doesn't sleep with him.
 
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[X] Go to the temple with the faithful.
- [X] Bring Dany as well.
- [X] Bring Matalarr as a guard, but not into the temple
 
[X] Go to the temple with the faithful.
- [X] Bring Dany as well.
- [X] Bring Matalarr as a guard, but not into the temple
 
[X] Go to the temple with the faithful.
- [X] Bring Dany as well.
- [X] Bring Matalarr as a guard, but not into the temple.

Aegon's reaction if it is revealed Jorah is a spy will hopefully be something like: "Deal's off, 0/10 would not barter zealotry for divine intervention by spy again." :sour:

Actually this will be really interesting to see, and I think it works ICly to be sceptical of a westrosi knight suddenly coming to help you.

Especially as it is obviously out of self interest to return home, how will the ex-slaves in the household react to Jorah's backstory I wonder...
 
Any particular reason you all don't want Matalarr in the temple?

[X] Go to the temple with the faithful.
- [X] Bring Dany as well.
- [X] Bring Matalarr
 
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Aegon's reaction if it is revealed Jorah is a spy will hopefully be something like: "Deal's off, 0/10 would not barter zealotry for divine intervention by spy again."
While funny, it's not realistic. If people turned from their faiths at the first unanswered, (or badly answered) prayer, no one would be religious. You can turn from your faith, but to do it realistically it'll take more than one prayer not handled the way you'd like.
 
Any particular reason you all don't want Matalarr in the temple?
Everyone else who tried to enter died.
Even those few eccentrics who wish to follow the Valyrian ways don't dare truly enter the temple ruins as they believe only one of Valyrian blood could safely do so. Rumors of lost Valyrian texts have caused some foolish few to brave ruins, but all died mysteriously soon after with nothing to show for their bravery.
 
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[X] Go to the temple with the faithful.
- [X] Bring Dany as well.
- [X] Bring Matalarr

"Sir Jorah Mormont, at your service my lord."

Wow, nice. Also it's Ser @Lunasmeow

IMO Jorah wouldn't fall for Dany like in canon. She is to be married now so she has no reason to lead around Ser Friendzone.

Plus Jorah would know that he has no chance in hell with Dany here. Don't forget that this Dany is different from the one in canon.
 
While funny, it's not realistic. If people turned from their faiths at the first unanswered, (or badly answered) prayer, no one would be religious. You can turn from your faith, but to do it realistically it'll take more than one prayer not handled the way you'd like.

You're exactly right. I grew up as a hardcore Texan baptist and desperately wanted to believe- kept praying until I was sixteen and walked away. I still look for god, signs of ghosts, anything indicating an afterlife, even after the thousands of unanswered prayers of my youth. Aegon's knelt before the dragons for better or worse, now.

That being said, if the gods roll badly enough often enough, could Aegon have a crisis of faith? Would he be punished for it? Would the punishment refresh his faith? What if they roll a 1 on his punishment?
 
You also know that he is pretty much destined to fall in love with Daenerys, your intended wife.
It's also destined to go unrequited, so I guess we will have to deal with jealous Jorah at some point.

On a different note, I never found a good description of Aegon, do we have Valyrian features? Is there recognizable Stark in us?

[X] Go to the temple with the faithful.
- [X] Bring Dany as well.
- [X] Bring Matalarr
 
[X] Go to the temple with the faithful.
- [X] Bring Dany as well.
- [X] Bring Matalarr as a guard, but not into the temple
 
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