What are the end goal(s) of this quest?

  • Retake the Iron Throne.

    Votes: 36 14.0%
  • Destroy the White Walkers.

    Votes: 44 17.1%
  • Rebuild fallen Valyria.

    Votes: 43 16.7%
  • Create a new empire, forget the past and forge your own destiny.

    Votes: 74 28.7%
  • Survive. Who needs a crown?

    Votes: 24 9.3%
  • Utter domination. You are the Dragon and will not rest until you rule over all!

    Votes: 29 11.2%
  • Become the wisest of the wise. A true Loremaster. Learn the magics of old and converse with Gods.

    Votes: 40 15.5%
  • Forbidden Power - Why speak with the Gods when you can BECOME one of them?

    Votes: 64 24.8%
  • Immortality - The problem with Aegon the Conqueror is that he died. You will not.

    Votes: 79 30.6%

  • Total voters
    258
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Yes, blackfyre in the vault confirmed. However you will have to convince the Golden Co of your being a Blackfyre (not terribly difficult honestly) in order to claim it as the company was listed as the heir. Whoever owns the company, owns the account. The bank will merely put you in touch with them.

That makes that option all the more enticing and I hope more people vote for it. Is it safe to say that if the both option wins, we will be able to get the high roll items from both vaults?

Also how wealthy are we exactly? It would be nice to know, as I assume that we will get some money from the vaults but it still doesn't hurt to plan for the future in case we need to figure out funding.

Also on the question of legitimacy, how will the both option hurt our claim on the throne? Would marrying Dany help that?
 
The Iron Bank is, like all banks, used to dealing with criminals of the successful kind. They know that people lead double lives. As long as you don't try to claim to be two different people with them, they could care less who you present yourself as in public.

Meaning, if you say you're a Targ now, you'll be a Targ with them forever. If you say you're a Blackfyre now, you'll be a Blackfyre with them forever. You can't change who you present yourself as with them later, or they'll assume fraud, and you'll no longer be a welcome customer. They have zero opinions on who you present yourself as to others though.

Ok, thank you for answering.

Now another question, could we claim to be a Targ now and then later use Sorcery on a Targ look-a-like to have them claim the Blackfyre Vault and transfer the contents to the Targ vault? Or is that kind of magic not something we could learn?
 
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Ok, thank you for answering.

Now another question, could we claim to be a Targ now and then later use Sorcery on a Targ look-a-like to have them claim the Blackfyre Vault and transfer the contents to the Targ vault? Or is that kind of magic not something we could learn?

Actually, since Dany is basically the 'last' living Targaryen, wouldn't we be able to combine both vaults?
 
That makes that option all the more enticing and I hope more people vote for it. Is it safe to say that if the both option wins, we will be able to get the high roll items from both vaults?

Also how wealthy are we exactly? It would be nice to know, as I assume that we will get some money from the vaults but it still doesn't hurt to plan for the future in case we need to figure out funding.

Also on the question of legitimacy, how will the both option hurt our claim on the throne? Would marrying Dany help that?
Somebody finally asked the right question. Your last question, I mean.

With only Illyrio's money? Wealthy enough to get a mansion, but that will take all of it. If you get a large house instead of a mansion, you'll have enough to survive for about a year including the servants to run it, food, taxes, etc.

Normal house enough for ten years also with servants and such (although they won't be live-in, merely maid service style in a normal house).

Cheap house 30 years, no maids etc. They don't work in those areas.

Won't hurt your claim at all really, so long as you marry Dany instead of marrying her off for an alliance. Yes, Viserys would have a higher claim, however like old blind Aemon Targaryen on the Wall did for his brother, he would abdicate in your favor as you have his loyalty and he wouldn't take the throne over you. Daenerys being a bride makes this a reunification of the Blackfyre and Targaryen lines, a cause for celebration, and many would support it just to see an end to any possible future Blackfyre rebellions.
 
Ok, thank you for answering.

Now another question, could we claim to be a Targ now and then later use Sorcery on a Targ look-a-like to have them claim the Blackfyre Vault and transfer the contents to the Targ vault? Or is that kind of magic not something we could learn?
You won't be able to do that barring unforseen circumstances and weird die rolls. Then again, you did get Illyrio's vault open when you shouldn't have and you did get those 3d100s, so... never say never?
 
You won't be able to do that barring unforseen circumstances and weird die rolls. Then again, you did get Illyrio's vault open when you shouldn't have and you did get those 3d100s, so... never say never?
Mostly because that is a power of the faceless men, and the Iron Bank needs a way to protect against simple shapeshifting. They have one.
 
Somebody finally asked the right question. Your last question, I mean.

With only Illyrio's money? Wealthy enough to get a mansion, but that will take all of it. If you get a large house instead of a mansion, you'll have enough to survive for about a year including the servants to run it, food, taxes, etc.

Normal house enough for ten years also with servants and such (although they won't be live-in, merely maid service style in a normal house).

Cheap house 30 years, no maids etc. They don't work in those areas.

Won't hurt your claim at all really, so long as you marry Dany instead of marrying her off for an alliance. Yes, Viserys would have a higher claim, however like old blind Aemon Targaryen on the Wall did for his brother, he would abdicate in your favor as you have his loyalty and he wouldn't take the throne over you. Daenerys being a bride makes this a reunification of the Blackfyre and Targaryen lines, a cause for celebration, and many would support it just to see an end to any possible future Blackfyre rebellions.

I'm now glad I asked. So for all of you who are voting just for the Tararyen option, here is a reason to switch to the both option.

Am I correct in assuming we will get a fair amount of money from the vault(s)? I was considering our options for starting up a business.

Another question though, aside from the ones about the contents of the vaults. Who else would know, aside from the Golden Company, that we claimed to be a Blackfyre? Would they tell people like Varys or Illyrio?
 
I'm now glad I asked. So for all of you who are voting just for the Tararyen option, here is a reason to switch to the both option.

Am I correct in assuming we will get a fair amount of money from the vault(s)? I was considering our options for starting up a business.

Another question though, aside from the ones about the contents of the vaults. Who else would know, aside from the Golden Company, that we claimed to be a Blackfyre? Would they tell people like Varys or Illyrio?
1. You'll get money. 1/4 of a treasury can be large or small depending on the treasury, but I checked. Visery's I was before the Dance of Dragons, so the treasury wasn't depleted from war when he did this. Lucky bastards.

2. Who would know? Not telling.
Adhoc vote count started by Lunasmeow on Aug 18, 2017 at 10:58 AM, finished with 105 posts and 30 votes.
 
1. You'll get money. 1/4 of a treasury can be large or small depending on the treasury, but I checked. Visery's I was before the Dance of Dragons, so the treasury wasn't depleted from war when he did this. Lucky bastards.

2. Who would know? Not telling.

Well it seems that we will be very wealthy soon either way as even a percentage of a Kingdoms treasury is considerable.

Ok, that's fair. Will we need to tell the Sealord about our presence in the city?
 
[X] Daemon Blackfyre & Daenerys Targaryen -While you are a proud Targaryen, your identityis not known by many, and subterfuge has already paid off once. Dany's identity is known though. Maybe you can get the Golden Co. AND any family heirlooms.
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Well it seems that we will be very wealthy soon either way as even a percentage of a Kingdoms treasury is considerable.

Ok, that's fair. Will we need to tell the Sealord about our presence in the city?
It wasn't going to be that much, but then I rolled for it and... you fuckers got another nat 100. Glad this is a low magic campaign or you'd just buy Wish spells and be doen.
 
It wasn't going to be that much, but then I rolled for it and... you fuckers got another nat 100. Glad this is a low magic campaign or you'd just buy Wish spells and be doen.
Well depends. If the sealord finds out he'd probably have appreciated knowing first. If he doesn't find out, no harm no foul. Of course, you might just take your wealth and try to claim some wild lands as your own. Take some of that dothraki sea or soemthing. Idk.

Diplomacy rolls can negate a lot of ill will though.
Adhoc vote count started by Lunasmeow on Aug 18, 2017 at 11:06 AM, finished with 109 posts and 31 votes.
 
Well depends. If the sealord finds out he'd probably have appreciated knowing first. If he doesn't find out, no harm no foul. Of course, you might just take your wealth and try to claim some wild lands as your own. Take some of that dothraki sea or soemthing. Idk.

Diplomacy rolls can negate a lot of ill will though.

Hmmm. I take it the bank isn't going to tell him?

So considering we rolled really well for what we have in the bank, what are our bodyguard options if we ask for those recommended by them?
 
Hmmm. I take it the bank isn't going to tell him?

So considering we rolled really well for what we have in the bank, what are our bodyguard options if we ask for those recommended by them?
Depends what you tell them. If you say Blackfyre they'll recommend the Golden Co.

If you say Targ... I haven't made up names yet honestly for the mercs. I planned on them giving you a list of people, and you guys just having to do rolls to determine if they were trustworthy or not. Iron Bank would recommend based on skill and prior history, but you'd still have to worry about them claiming a king's ransom for Targ heads. Loyalties can shift for that kind of cash, so the bank would not be willing to say "You can definitely trust these guys 100%".
 
Depends what you tell them. If you say Blackfyre they'll recommend the Golden Co.

If you say Targ... I haven't made up names yet honestly for the mercs. I planned on them giving you a list of people, and you guys just having to do rolls to determine if they were trustworthy or not. Iron Bank would recommend based on skill and prior history, but you'd still have to worry about them claiming a king's ransom for Targ heads. Loyalties can shift for that kind of cash, so the bank would not be willing to say "You can definitely trust these guys 100%".

Would us declaring ourselves Targaryen eliminate the Golden Company as an option? Or would they not be trustworthy?

As for the others it looks like we will have to do interviews after all.
Adhoc vote count started by Japanime on Aug 18, 2017 at 11:20 AM, finished with 112 posts and 31 votes.
 
Would us declaring ourselves Targaryen eliminate the Golden Company as an option? Or would they not be trustworthy?

As for the others it looks like we will have to do interviews after all.
Golden Co works for either Blackfyres or Illyrio. No Targs unless you get amazing rolls.
 
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Remember people the flaw of those who win the lottery. Thinking the money lasts forever.

Even if I you get 1 Million Golden Dragons - Your army needs good pay. They are literally risking their lives.

Say you pay 10 Silver Drakes a month, at 100 Drakes to 1 Dragon.

For 100K soldiers, at 10SD/M that is 100 months. A long time. Except you also need to feed that army, arm that army, train that army... Pay for medical supplies, uniforms, etc. This is why in those days standing armies were very small, and nobles raised armies for short periods in times of war. A lot of gold doesn't go very far with a war on the horizon. And if you go for the Iron Throne like you seem willing to, Robert WILL make war before giving up, or else Lannister will. He knows you'll have it out for him for ordering Elia killed and having her two children murdered.

You will still need to setup a steady source of income before you take any drastic measures. I'm going to be very detailed when it comes to war, and how you finance it.
 
I don't understand why everyone wants to be a Blackfyre:
1. We're putting ourselves at risk of losing our entire account if a real Blackfyre ever appears (no matter how great of a customer we are; the Iron Bank will never allow everyone to just take over someone else's account and would move on this so fast your head will spin). Think about how many merchants and lords would be peeved if they knew that their account could be claimed by random people claiming to be their children, it would ruin the Iron Bank.
2. We're making some broad assumptions that the Blackfyre do not still exist and that the Golden Company don't already know Illyrio's son is the Blackfyre heir. For all we know, he already has control of the Blackfyre account through the female Blackfyre line and claiming another's account would require the Iron Bank to contact both parties to resolve the account dispute thus letting him know where we are.
3. People are trying to be wayyyyy too clever about this. I'll be honest, the first question the Iron Bank will say if we say we're Blackfyres is, "prove it." No Bank gets this prominent by handing over retired accounts to random people that have the same eye and hair color to others. They'll likely bring in an expert and while our character could probably say enough about the Red Keep to make our Targaryen claim plausible. I highly doubt our character or Danaerysnis good enough at bsing that we'll be able to spin a story about how the Blackfyre male line was not extinguished and we were totally hiding in [insert Essos city for years] and making a living doing [insert reason] and only decided to claim our account now because [etc]. And the Iron Bank will almost certainly interogate us sepperately to make sure our stories corroborate with one another. This is a professional institution that has lasted thousands of years remember? They're going to take all precautions.
-If the Iron Bank is really this incompetent at handing over retired accounts I'm honestly amazed anyone would ever hand over their money to them since hair color is all you need apparently.
 
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